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Default Do I have to carry my AW letter with me to the range?

If I get pulled over with my AWs on the way to the range, and cop asks me if I have firearms, can he run the serials to make sure they have been registered, or do I need to carry the letter around with me?

I found nothing in the laws saying that I need to have this letter. I took a photo on my phone just in case but I plan on keeping it at home so that I don't lose it.
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If you answer yes to “do you have guns” it gives a LEO legal authority to run the serial numbers. I would make a copy and keep it in my Range bag just to be sure though.
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Way back when i registered my RAWS, i made a stack of photocopies and they went into every ramge bag and case i own.

I dont care that the law says i dont have to do so, i will not give anyone any excuse to confiscate them “just in case”.
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Back when I took my registered Uzi & HK93 to the range, I always kept a copy of the registration form in the case.
I only had to show it to one cop in several years at the range. He started a casual conversation with me, acting like a fellow shooter, then showed me his police ID & asked if they were registered.
And he seemed disappointed that they were.
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There is no requirement to carry the letter.

A LEO has the ability to access the AFS database which will provide the same information.

But as other posters have pointed out, being able to present the letter can prevent a lot of unproductive LEO contact.
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You are not required to carry the letter.

But they can play stupid on you without punishment later and say they need to take your gun to do some investigating. They will mention the safety of the women, children in schools that are afraid you will shoot them, and men with small hands.

Then you have to start the process to release this firearm back to you.

Have the letter, then their refusal to consider it at least gives you basis in action against the LE if they take your firearms for community safety.

I too had one encounter at the range, but that was after the 89 registration where for several years after that LE was more anti-gun crazed and doing checks, plus I was young which is another factor I think for being asked. Since then I have never been asked about registration proof or about my AW's.
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If you are questioned about a rifle, do not think that the LE will not run the numbers after you show him the letter. That letter will mean nothing. They will still run it as if you did not have it in hand.
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Back when I took my registered Uzi & HK93 to the range, I always kept a copy of the registration form in the case.
I only had to show it to one cop in several years at the range. He started a casual conversation with me, acting like a fellow shooter, then showed me his police ID & asked if they were registered.
And he seemed disappointed that they were.
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Way back when i registered my RAWS, i made a stack of photocopies and they went into every ramge bag and case i own.

I dont care that the law says i dont have to do so, i will not give anyone any excuse to confiscate them “just in case”.
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Conversely...for those that went "fixed mag" I would, and do, have the following printed and in my gun bag:
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I made 1:4 scale photocopies of my letter, folded them up, and put one inside the pistol grip of each RAW.

That way, the letter always stays with the weapon, and I can never accidentally forget it.

As a dozen other people already pointed out above, you don't legally need to have your letter, and police should be able to get the RAW info from AFS using their computer. Unless, you know... "the systems are down."

So whether or not the letter is necessary (or helpful), I figure it's silly not to have it anyways. It can't hurt. It might turn a 30-minute police encounter into a 30-second one; same net result, less hassle.
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Letters mean nothing. Anyone can print a letter.
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One of the High Power shooters at the range had the # stenciled on his AR's from the prior registration.

It was his Hitler / concentration camp tattoo.... It also would make it easier to verify everything with DOJ


Easier answer- guns in locked cases and out of sight for transport- for everything including RAWS
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I have copies in every range bag and also my cars. I also have a copy on the cloud which syncs to my phone.
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Doesn't hurt to have it, but it's also not a crime to not have a RAW letter with your RAW. It's just a "just in case" measure. Take it for what you will.
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I've got an AW Permit issued by DOJ in 2000 fir the last ban, and I'm required to have a copy with me when transporting my AW's. I keep a paper copy in my shooting bag and an electronic copy on my phone. Keep in mind if it's on your phone and you hand to the officer, he now has access to everything on the phone.
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There is no requirement to carry the letter.

A LEO has the ability to access the AFS database which will provide the same information.

But as other posters have pointed out, being able to present the letter can prevent a lot of unproductive LEO contact.
Just what is an unproductive LEO contact? Sorry, but I just could not resist the temptation. If I invite one of my LEO neighbors to my home for a beer, would that be an unproductive LEO contact? How about the situation when I invite one of my fellow home brewing club members, who happens to be a CHP officer and a very good brewer, to brew with me? Clearly, since it will be a great beer, that could not be classified and an unproductive LEO contact. Keep up the good work.
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I've got an AW Permit issued by DOJ in 2000 fir the last ban, and I'm required to have a copy with me when transporting my AW's. I keep a paper copy in my shooting bag and an electronic copy on my phone. Keep in mind if it's on your phone and you hand to the officer, he now has access to everything on the phone.
It's not required from the ban (reg period) in 2000. I have mine with me as well. But not required.


I looked at mine just now it was back 2001 when I received it. So long ago. We lost so much never to get it back.
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This is not an issue with featureless. I can't figure out the registration thing when you still have to use a bullet button.
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Yes yes, carry your paperwork like a good citizen.
Make sure you go STRAIGHT home from the range too.
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It's not a drawback, just useless.


It's just not proof.



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Exactly. There are only potential upsides, and no downsides, so I don't know why people are even arguing about this.

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How often does an officer check the validity of an easily-forged, printed-on-computer-paper CA CCW permit during an interaction? Is that piece of paper worthless because anyone can print one?
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It's not a drawback, just useless.

It's just not proof.

LEO will check anyway if they want.
And how often will they bother doing that after someone shows them their letter? If the answer isn't an unequivocal 100% of the time, then again I'll ask what CG87 asked and nobody answered, what are the drawbacks in carrying the letter?
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It's not a drawback, just useless.


It's just not proof.



LEO will check anyway if they want.
Not useless. Youre specualting. Nothing more.
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There is no drawback for having your paperwork with you. When the LEO runs your serial number then it will show who it’s registered to, the date and year it was registered and the serial number. If your paperwork and ID matches their records, what can they do to you? Again NO drawback. I only see pros.
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And how often will they bother doing that after someone shows them their letter? If the answer isn't an unequivocal 100% of the time, then again I'll ask what CG87 asked and nobody answered, what are the drawbacks in carrying the letter?
Maybe they are right.

Because now that they mention it, i recall that in every instance of reporting on unregistered RAW arrests, the person tried to show the cop a phonied up letter, right? Guys with illegal weapons do so with impunity because they photoshopped a reg letter....



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Again, there IS no down side, and only possible advntages. But i guess this discussion is the nature of calguns.
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Back when I took my registered Uzi & HK93 to the range, I always kept a copy of the registration form in the case.
I only had to show it to one cop in several years at the range. He started a casual conversation with me, acting like a fellow shooter, then showed me his police ID & asked if they were registered.
And he seemed disappointed that they were.
I have run into off duty LEO in some pretty remote locations and they get quite curious about what I am shooting. I carry my RAW letters, but they are usually more interested in my other non-RAW firearms and seem to appreciate my explanation of how these firearms are legal. Ironically, these guys are usually shooting BB rifles with 30 round mags or other firearms that are a little less than legal. To their credit, they were all upfront about their LE affiliation and clearly indicated that they were way off duty.
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Correct answer to a cop when asked if you have guns " Officer I have no contraband in my vehicle". When the cop asks "do you mind if I check?" You say, "With respect officer you may NOT check, I have no contraband." Unfortunately, the yellow bellied of you out there, will just give in instead of standing your ground.

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The correct answer is “No”. Then shut up.
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