Antonyuk 2 -- New GOA challenge to NY CCW law

[Fyathyrio]

@fourboxesdiner will live twitfacegram the proceedings tomorrow. There is also an audio link in the vid description for those that want to just listen to the court.

[bigstick61]

Originally Posted by Rickybillegas

And let's hope plaintiff counsel presents a strong and persuasive case

Steve Stambouleigh does pretty well.

[JDoe]

Originally Posted by Fyathyrio

@fourboxesdiner will live twitfacegram the proceedings tomorrow. There is also an audio link in the vid description for those that want to just listen to the court.

Thanks here is the link to listen

https://www.youtube.com/live/tgMrgsaB-2o?feature=share




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[abinsinia]

The judges don't seem as anti rights as I expected.

[ritter]

Originally Posted by abinsinia

The judges don't seem as anti rights as I expected.

No, but will that overcome their anti gun perspective? At least one judge seems interested in trying to conform to Bruen. It was nice to hear some resistance to the social media requirement from the panel.

[ritter]

Listened to most of it. I'll be shocked if they don't find for the state and uphold their injunction on all cases. There are interests to be balanced, after all. Back to SCOTUS we will go.

[BlueOvalBandit]

Not super hopeful... Overall judges seemed hostile to 2A attorney's, like they were fishing for ways to avoid Bruen decision. Hopefully I'm wrong in my reading of the tea leaves.

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[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalBandit

Not super hopeful... Overall judges seemed hostile to 2A attorney's, like they were fishing for ways to avoid Bruen decision. Hopefully I'm wrong in my reading of the tea leaves.

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The judges needed to push on the 2A side to fully flesh out and evaluate the reasoning being presented. This is all new and subject to interpretation and it seems reasonable to poke and prod the issue before writing a detailed opinion for SCOTUS to review.

[TruOil]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalBandit

Not super hopeful... Overall judges seemed hostile to 2A attorney's, like they were fishing for ways to avoid Bruen decision. Hopefully I'm wrong in my reading of the tea leaves.

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You can often tell the bent of the Court by listening to the questions, but you have to be able to distinguish between big fat soft balls tossed up to give one side a shot at hitting it out of the park and questions demonstrating an animus to the position being argued. So one needs to listen to the argument of the State and the nature of the questions asked of it as well. Remember also that in one of these cases, two western state AGs argued that the laws were unconstitutional and that the injunctions should remain in place, leaving only the Director of the State Police as arguing for a reversal. Adding Bruen into the mix, although it is only tangentially the issue presented, strongly argues for sustaining the trial courts' actions.

I am waiting to see if the Second toes the Bruen line or tries to come up with reasons for subverting its holding and intent, much as the NY law was intended to do.

[Dr.Lou]

Will they risk the considerable likelihood of incorporation just to maintain their Anti gun ideals

[spalterego]

I feel pretty confident that they believe Plaintiffs (mostly) had standing, so they won't dismiss on lack of standing and will thus have to address the merits of the case. This makes an appeal (petition for certiorari) to the SCt likelier, easier and more productive.

I sensed some hostility but I think we will get a split baby. I think churches and parks (at least rural parks) are likely to be found NOT sensitive places. Everything else I don't have any real strong sense either way. I give social media access a 55/45 chance in our favor. I wish I had a feel for private property/businesses (requiring an affirmative permission) but I don't. Some positive sounds some negative statements/feelings.