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Old 07-15-2019, 11:32 AM
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Default LAPD Chief Michel Moore and LASD Sheriff Alex Villanueva are disgraces to LE

I spent 34+ years doing the right things during my career, treating the good people of our communities like they should be treated, helping other agencies get the mission completed, and everything else that goes along with our Oath.

So LAPD Chief Michel Moore and Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva have decided to violate their oaths of office. They have publicly pronounced that they will not cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement in making arrests on people ordered to be deported. Gentlemen you bring disgrace to your offices and sully the people that work for you.

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I, (employee name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.”

I am disgusted with their lack of fortitude when discharging their Oath of Office(s) and their open denial to assist another LE agency (ICE) in the discharge of their duties. Pathetic behaviors from them and completely contrary to supporting the good and productive people of our state and country. They need to have the balls to resign for Derelict of Duty.
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I hate to break it to you, but you won’t find many CA police agencies who will help ICE. We used to hold everyone who had a detainer and call INS for pickup. Now, those detainers are meaningless.
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I hate to break it to you, but you won’t find many CA police agencies who will help ICE. We used to hold everyone who had a detainer and call INS for pickup. Now, those detainers are meaningless.
I know that but that does not diminish the fact they are violating their Oath of Office. I had bosses who told us the same thing and I'd have to explain to my shift that we would still assist them for security but not become involved in their arrests. Many of the stations within the LA jurisdiction won't even respond to their request for an AOD. That's BS.
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So LAPD Chief Michel Moore and Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva have decided to violate their oaths of office.



An OATH to a Politician, is just something they say, not something they mean, or have any intention to uphold...................

Ernie, Thank You Sir, for publicly voicing your opinion. Which BTW parallels my own views on this important subject. Had I posted the exact same sentiment, as a law abiding citizen, who deeply regrets that our "Citizens Police". Is insidiously slipping into the role of "State Agenda Officers". I would once again be labelled as a "cop basher".

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Didnt Joe Arpaio get in trouble for doing ICE's job some time ago?
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as a law abiding citizen, who deeply regrets that our "Citizens Police". Is insidiously slipping into the role of "State Agenda Officers".
Sometimes a spade has to be called a spade. This kind of crap coming from Moore and Villanueva, IMO, simply fuels the distrust of the police by those who are looking for some reason to hate the cops. The folks out working the beats are still doing a great job despite all of the craziness and brainwashing that happens with the folks upstairs.
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So I guess they won't be writing up any of their employees if they fail to make a felony arrest or anything, right?
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Didnt Joe Arpaio get in trouble for doing ICE's job some time ago?
For a short time. Yes. A Clinton appointee to Fed Dis. of Az Court took exception, because Sheriff Joe snubbed his nose and flipped the bird at her for demanding he NOT FULFILL HIS OATH.

Here is an example of the BS reasoning behind her striking portions of AB-1070

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Just another feather in the cap of the most respected lawman in the country.

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I'm jealous as hell of you guys who have been able to eject from the lunacy of this state. We missed our window of opportunity after my mom passed in 16. With anchor in-laws I've pretty much resigned myself to having to stay in this hell hole indefinitely for now.
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I'm jealous as hell of you guys who have been able to eject from the lunacy of this state. We missed our window of opportunity after my mom passed in 16. With anchor in-laws I've pretty much resigned myself to having to stay in this hell hole indefinitely for now.
Likewise Ernie, you aren't alone.
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Another one from LASD to agree with you Ernie and I echo their sentiments about being glad I am retired from the dept. Block was the last great Sheriff, Baca/Tanaka began the decline. Considering that Villanueva courted every Democratic group in and out of LA County during his election campaign, it's not surprising his left wing views determine the running of our former great dept. The LAPD Chief is merely a puppet of Garcetti and he has to toe the line or he's out. Evidently his oath isn't as important as keeping his job. They are both an embarrassment to their profession.
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Well said, Ernie. Unfortunately, the disconnect between upstairs "political" management and the majority of us in the rank and file is nothing new.
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Well said, Ernie. Unfortunately, the disconnect between upstairs "political" management and the majority of us in the rank and file is nothing new.
Too bad that that "disconnect" doesn't directly affect the "political brass". But does add to the disconnect between hard working street cops and citizens they serve.
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Another one from LASD to agree with you Ernie and I echo their sentiments about being glad I am retired from the dept. Block was the last great Sheriff, Baca/Tanaka began the decline. Considering that Villanueva courted every Democratic group in and out of LA County during his election campaign, it's not surprising his left wing views determine the running of our former great dept. The LAPD Chief is merely a puppet of Garcetti and he has to toe the line or he's out. Evidently his oath isn't as important as keeping his job. They are both an embarrassment to their profession.
Well said! Would that make Chief Gates the last great LAPD Chief? They've had some doozies post Gates.
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For a short time. Yes. A Clinton appointee to Fed Dis. of Az Court took exception, because Sheriff Joe snubbed his nose and flipped the bird at her for demanding he NOT FULFILL HIS OATH.

Here is an example of the BS reasoning behind her striking portions of AB-1070






Just another feather in the cap of the most respected lawman in the country

You do realize that he routinely engaged in racial profiling and violated the rights of american citizens?
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Well said! Would that make Chief Gates the last great LAPD Chief? They've had some doozies post Gates.
Oh Pleeeeze!.......Where were you in 92?

The ONLY good Chief that ever led LAPD was Ed Davis.

A cops cop, and a true believer in Sir Robert Peel's "community policing" views. Who also publicly spoke out against Ca efforts to disarm citizens.

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OP - you are spot on. I spent 32 years on the job and feel the same way. I'm so glad I'm retired. I don't think I could stomach what is going on today.


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I saw a clear dividing line between the people who wanted to be cops and do the right thing and those who were in various assignments only to get their tickets punched for promotability.
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You do realize that he routinely engaged in racial profiling and violated the rights of american citizens?
I realize that those claims were/are regularly made by leftists illegal alien sympathizers.

Just like they now claim Trump is a "racist" and "xenophobe" even though he is the son of, and married to immigrants. And they can't find any actual "racist" quotes by him.

BTW..........honestly,..... since when is being an "illegal alien" considered a "race"?

And also consider that the majority of Maricopa county Deps. Are of latino ethnic origin.
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LA City needs to move the LAPD Cheif's position back into a Civil Service Position, not a position appointed by the mayor. Villanueva is a tool!
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Didnt Joe Arpaio get in trouble for doing ICE's job some time ago?
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Racial profiling?...As said above, being an illegal alien is a crime. The only complaints I ever heard about Sheriff Joe were from people like you, liberals. Go away, you're not welcome in this thread.
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I realize that those claims were/are regularly made by leftists illegal alien sympathizers.
And those claims were justified by a judge. His methods of policing were deemed unconstitutional. Cops are not allowed to thumb their nose when any judge orders them to stop doing something.

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BTW..........honestly,..... since when is being an "illegal alien" considered a "race"?origin.
Since when are cops allowed to make unreasonable searches and seizures? Far too many of his stops did not have probable cause.

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They were following his policies.
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No, He didn't.
You are either being intentionally obtuse or flat out dishonest. Its a good thing google exists so that everyone else can see that you just wrong either way.


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Racial profiling?...As said above, being an illegal alien is a crime. The only complaints I ever heard about Sheriff Joe were from people like you, liberals.
People like me actually care about the same constitution that you complained about at the start of this thread.


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Why should I? Are you mad that i pointed out a fairly obvious logical inconsistency to you? I plan on staying around here as long as i dont break any rules and youll have to deal with it.
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I realize that those claims were/are regularly made by leftists illegal alien sympathizers.

[1]...And those claims were justified by a judge. His methods of policing were deemed unconstitutional. Cops are not allowed to thumb their nose when any judge orders them to stop doing something.

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BTW..........honestly,..... since when is being an "illegal alien" considered a "race"?origin.

[2]...Since when are cops allowed to make unreasonable searches and seizures? Far too many of his stops did not have probable cause.

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And also consider that the majority of Maricopa county Deps. Are of latino ethnic origin.

[3]....They were following his policies.

[1]....A ruling by an affirmed, liberal puppet in a robe they had shopped for. Is not a "justification" it is a "judicial opinion" that coincides with that of ACLU. Until affirmed by SCOTUS. Which didn't happen. Read the "justification" quote I posted. Assuredly not based on any legal precedent or even a scintilla of common sense. Just "PURE POLITICAL POSTURING". Which was in direct conflict with Fed Immigration officers of ICE, and CBP who publicly welcomed the passage of AB-1070. And the willing help of the largest LE agency in Az.

LOL...The judge demanded Joe thumb his nose at his oath. He refused.

[2]....Since the only "honest" answer to that question is "NEVER". Your failure to answer a simple question. Is duly noted, as is, your deflective obsfucation, of a non answer. A common ploy used by those that regularly play the "race card" as a deflection.

Claiming stops were made strictly on ethnic origins to bolster claims of profiling, also an old ploy of leftist race baiters. Check the demographics of Mariposa Cnty. If Deps made stops of predominantly anglo drivers. That would be "Profiling".

relevant anecdote: Good friend spent 3 years at the old Lennox LASD station. According to him it is almost impossible to find a white person to stop there. Profiling? Or Demographic probability?

According to him, he would rather stop white people. So he didn't have to again listen to the same old "You only stopped me cause I'm Black" crap.

[3]...Because they honestly believed he was right? Oh Hell Yeah! He was one of those rare elected Large Dept CLEO, that had full unwavering support of his policy by majority of rank and file street cops.
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Agree with Yzernie.

That guacamole guy must be licking the inside of his kool-aid pitcher. Maybe he can look up "activist judges" on his google. Sheriff Arpaio got screwed over.
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I spent 34+ years doing the right things during my career, treating the good people of our communities like they should be treated, helping other agencies get the mission completed, and everything else that goes along with our Oath.

So LAPD Chief Michel Moore and Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva have decided to violate their oaths of office. They have publicly pronounced that they will not cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement in making arrests on people ordered to be deported. Gentlemen you bring disgrace to your offices and sully the people that work for you.

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I, (employee name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.”

I am disgusted with their lack of fortitude when discharging their Oath of Office(s) and their open denial to assist another LE agency (ICE) in the discharge of their duties. Pathetic behaviors from them and completely contrary to supporting the good and productive people of our state and country. They need to have the balls to resign for Derelict of Duty.
I don't think the blame should be placed on LAPD and LASD. With all due respect, did you forget what state we live in? California is a damn sanctuary state, and they bar most of their law enforcement agencies from having anything to do with federal immigration policies, especially when their respective city/county bosses have already agreed not to cooperate with federal immigration laws.

I've worked for ICE as a contractor in the past...and I remember, Orange County Sheriffs Department along with a handful of local PD's were some of the few cooperating agencie for ICE. The OC Sheriffs received ton of backlash for housing ICE detainees at their facilities, but from what I hear now, they no longer works with ICE, and have booted them out of their jail facilities. That was a multi million dollar contract they lost with DHS...All because of public and county pressure.

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Old 07-28-2019, 4:46 PM
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I don't think the blame should be placed on LAPD and LASD. With all due respect, did you forget what state we live in? California is a damn sanctuary state, and they bar most of their law enforcement agencies from having anything to do with federal immigration policies, especially when their respective city/county bosses have already agreed not to cooperate with federal immigration laws.

I've worked for ICE as a contractor in the past...and I remember, Orange County Sheriffs Department along with a handful of local PD's were some of the few cooperating agencie for ICE. The OC Sheriffs received ton of backlash for housing ICE detainees at their facilities, but from what I hear now, they no longer works with ICE, and have booted them out of their jail facilities. That was a multi million dollar contract they lost with DHS...All because of public and county pressure.
The Oath Of Office a Chief or Sheriff takes when placed into the position is blind of any jurisdictional boundaries. Whether it is in this state or any other state is of little consequence when it comes to enforcing law.

IMO, openly announcing your department will not cooperate with other LE agencies who are lawfully discharging their duties is grounds for removal from office for violating your Oath Of Office to uphold and defend the Constitution and the laws of the state.

Also IMO, Moore and Villanueva are sellouts to the power of their positions.

AND, a Sanctuary State is on it's face illegal.
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Old 07-30-2019, 1:57 AM
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I don't think the blame should be placed on LAPD and LASD. With all due respect, did you forget what state we live in? California is a damn sanctuary state, and they bar most of their law enforcement agencies from having anything to do with federal immigration policies, especially when their respective city/county bosses have already agreed not to cooperate with federal immigration laws.

I've worked for ICE as a contractor in the past...and I remember, Orange County Sheriffs Department along with a handful of local PD's were some of the few cooperating agencie for ICE. The OC Sheriffs received ton of backlash for housing ICE detainees at their facilities, but from what I hear now, they no longer works with ICE, and have booted them out of their jail facilities. That was a multi million dollar contract they lost with DHS...All because of public and county pressure.
For clarity, OC and ICE parting ways had nothing to do with SB-54 or any sanctuary BS.

Cause was strictly budgetary. OC population growth in recent yrs. And resultant increase in incarcerations. OCSD Sheriff Barnes had to make a choice due to cell/bed shortages.

Build a bigger jail. Or terminate the detention agreement with ICE.

To the best of my knowledge Sheriff Barnes remains an honorable man. Who BTW issues CCWs to law abiding citizens in a "shall issue" manner.
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