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Old 07-16-2019, 11:02 AM
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I see now (post #738) that the change in the local ordinance takes place on July 22nd.

The change in state law takes place sometime after the governor signs the bill into law. Per post above, he has 30 days after the bill passed the legislature. That occurred on (under "ACTIONS" https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/a7752)

Once it is signed, (from the bill https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/a7752)
And itís still rather restrictive.
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Old 07-16-2019, 1:54 PM
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Just read the bill-- it is missing the 'shall not be infringed' part.. the dog must have eaten that page.
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Old 07-16-2019, 5:34 PM
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The bill has been signed. It goes into effect immediately.
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Old 07-16-2019, 9:05 PM
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The Court has published the schedule for oral arguments in November: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_ar...vember2019.pdf

NYSRPA is not listed.
FWIW I am not surprised NYSRPA isn't listed for Nov.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is not listed for Dec.

If it is not listed for Jan, I will be slightly surprised.

If it is not listed for Feb, I will be surprised and start thinking they're going per curiam (ala Caetano) and giving the dissenters time to write their opinions on this important case.
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Old 07-17-2019, 9:17 AM
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Speaking to the moodiness issue, even if this new state law goes into effect. The court should realize what a dangerous president this sets where a state could enact restrictive unconstitutional laws only to backpedal later on. No way this flies with them they should hear the case as it was originally filed.

The icing on the cake would be a ruling on appropriate scrutiny in constitutional cases going forward.

Iím hoping for an early Christmas gift!
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Old 07-17-2019, 4:36 PM
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FWIW I am not surprised NYSRPA isn't listed for Nov.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is not listed for Dec.

If it is not listed for Jan, I will be slightly surprised.

If it is not listed for Feb, I will be surprised and start thinking they're going per curiam (ala Caetano) and giving the dissenters time to write their opinions on this important case.
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What do you think the hold up is ?
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Old 07-17-2019, 6:59 PM
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Probably waiting for a 6th Justice to come on board, just in case Roberts does what Roberts does.
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Old 07-18-2019, 8:42 PM
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What do you think the hold up is ?
Two thoughts: (1) remember that "Gay wedding cake" case this term? It was scheduled for discussion for months and months and then, finally, in mid June, they just GVR'ed it. (I posted the relevant timeline somewhere earlier in this forum, IIRC.) SCOTUS pushes off controversial cases until the end of their term. In a controversial move, RBG already identified another Gay case (employment?) and NYSRPA as the big controversial cases for next term. Also, remember, just because a case is not "moving" on the docket does not mean that justices aren't working on it or aren't having their clerks work on it.

(2) They could be waiting for NYC's merits brief (due Aug 05) (and NYSRPA's optional Reply brief?), before deciding whether to schedule it for orals or not. (If not, they might moot the case or per curiam it w/o orals.)

Again, just EDC pepper spray, follow the 4-Stupids Rules and enjoy your summer while we all await the Long Conference at the end of Sept (Rogers, Pena and Gould are still await cert decisions).



ETA: If people want to do something while waiting...

if you live in/near Sonoma Co, get the word out (ranges, gun shops, IDPA/USPSA clubs, etc) the new sheriff is regularly issuing CCWs.

If you live in/near Yolo Co, show up to support CCWs when Lopez has public meetings, to encourage him to liberalize issuance. Also hit ranges, gun shops and IDPA/USPSA clubs to get their customers and members active.

If you live in/near CoCoCo, do the same (ranges, gun shops, IDPA/USPSA clubs, etc), sharing my CoCoCo CCW Advice thread (stickied at the top of the Counties CCW Info forum), so that more people apply and get issued. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

If you live in LA Co and have solid GC (prior reported attacks or credible threats, are a target due to work related matters (valuables, drugs, dangerous items, etc), spend the $10 and apply and have your GC evaluated to see if you can get a CCW and let us (or at least me via PM (kept in strict confidence)), know how it goes. The new sheriff has said he's issuing more CCWs than his predecessor.
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Old 07-18-2019, 9:28 PM
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enjoy your summer while we all await the Long Conference at the end of Sept (Rogers, Pena and Gould are still await cert decisions).
Mulford was 52 summers ago............GCA-68 was 51 summers ago.

At 70, I'm damn tired of "waiting" for all these suits to offset the F'n avalanche of Unconstitutional laws we get more buried under every "summer". I'm quickly running out of "summers".................

In the once great state of Ca. that I grew up in.

At 13 I went to swap meets and garage sales and bought guns.

Could drive around with a loaded pistol on the seat of my 59 Impala.

Only waiting period, was waiting for ANY local hardware or Five n Dime store to ring up my gun or ammo purchase.

Now 50 some yrs later. I'm a F'n criminal if I walk from my front door to the car in the driveway without my shotgun being cased and out of sight.

Anybody remember the old cartoon of 2 buzzards in the dead snag tree? One looks at the other and says.

"Patience be Damned, I'm gonna Kill something".
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:21 PM
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Mulford was 52 summers ago............GCA-68 was 51 summers ago.

At 70, I'm damn tired of "waiting" for all these suits to offset the F'n avalanche of Unconstitutional laws we get more buried under every "summer". I'm quickly running out of "summers".................

In the once great state of Ca. that I grew up in.

At 13 I went to swap meets and garage sales and bought guns.

Could drive around with a loaded pistol on the seat of my 59 Impala.

Only waiting period, was waiting for ANY local hardware or Five n Dime store to ring up my gun or ammo purchase.

Now 50 some yrs later. I'm a F'n criminal if I walk from my front door to the car in the driveway without my shotgun being cased and out of sight.

Anybody remember the old cartoon of 2 buzzards in the dead snag tree? One looks at the other and says.

"Patience be Damned, I'm gonna Kill something".
While I can relate and sympathize, getting upset at things you can't do anything about just raises your blood pressure and ruins your sleep.

Best thing is for folks NOT to make the same mistake over and over again. We counted on Nordyke and were disappointed. We counted on Heller/McDonald and SCOTUS has, so far, allowed it's "law" to be restricted to it's holding by the Circuit Courts of Appeal. The only pleasant surprise we've gotten was Caetano and that was minor, but important (so far, has helped with, IIRC, tasers, stun guns and pepper or mace sprays).

Best not to wait on the Courts, but keep busy at the county level while waiting. In my previous post above, I gave suggestions for 4 different counties. I'm sure there's work to be done in other counties too. The more CCWs we get issued statewide, the safer our streets get and the more CCWs that will be issued (and the weaker the antis' arguments become).

We've come a long way over the past 10 years without a Carry Case win at SCOTUS. Now is not the time to sit on our hands while waiting for SCOTUS once again...


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Old 07-18-2019, 11:35 PM
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I'm in LA Cnty, and no matter what color Baggs puts on his map. LA will remain DARK MAROON IN REALITY. Until SCOTUS says otherwise.

Which is less likely all the time to happen before I run out of "summers".

And those maps don't come anywhere close to representing just how F,d the 2nd is in this state. Mag Bans, 3 levels of AW bans, ammo registration, fees, waiting periods, handgun roster, on, and on, and on.

Legislature makes the rules. They know full well they can pass multiple anti 2A laws in weeks. Prop-63 example, and it takes us tens of yrs to fight each one. While they continue the "Bill Mill" grinding away full tilt.

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Legislature makes the rules. They know full well they can pass multiple anti 2A laws in weeks. Prop-63 example, and it takes us tens of yrs to fight each one.
The optimist in me wants to believe SCOTUS has recognized this and will hand down a rule on scrutiny. Not doing so will require them to keep swatting down innumerable unconstitutional laws like flies... one by one. Time to put down the fly-swatter and bring out the flamethrower.
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I think this is an important issue in the timing of the case being heard. I may not be thinking exactly as you are, but I believe you identified the key.

I think Roberts in particular does not want to have this case become a bigger factor in the 2020 election than necessary. If the court is viewed as having timed the orals or the decision in a manner which would affect the election, it will be considered by many to be a political court which is trying to interfere where it should not.

And if the orals occur prior to the election in the next session you will have people arguing that the SCOTUS is trying to affect the election.

So I expect Roberts (maybe others as well) would argue for distancing this case from the election and I'd guess that January is the earliest they'd hear the case. Because I expect the language to be hard-fought-over I'm guessing it gets heard no later than March.

So I'm guessing/speculating that the case is heard in the January to March time frame.
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