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Old 01-30-2020, 7:52 PM
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They are going to March AFB. Soon a zombie hoard will be going down the 60 toward LA
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They are going to March AFB. Soon a zombie hoard will be going down the 60 toward LA
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Same as for anything else. Plus extra masks, Hand sanitizer, soap, disposable gloves. You can never have enough water.
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Thousands more people have died from the flu right here in America compared to the corona virus but you don't hear to much about it. Am I concerned? Not really.

I'm more concerned driving to the grocery store this Super Bowl weekend and being taken out by some donkey, (aka Jackass) who doesn't know how to drive, or is intoxicated while driving rather than the corona virus. Just my own $.02.

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Buy as much N95 masks as you can if you can. All masks are gone from harbor freight , 99 cent stores and Home Depot. I live in LA area. My friends who I told to buy in their areas report the same thing. Emergency food supplies went up in prices also in amazon and eBay.
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Buy as much N95 masks as you can if you can. All masks are gone from harbor freight , 99 cent stores and Home Depot. I live in LA area. My friends who I told to buy in their areas report the same thing. Emergency food supplies went up in prices also in amazon and eBay.
There's a lesson here . . . it's central to the prepping philosophy . . .don't wait until you need something to buy it, because when you need it others will need it also - meaning either you'll have to do without, or you'll have to pay more than the item is worth.

Never buy the fad items, the high price items, buy the things on sale. For example you missed your opportunity to buy N95 masks & tamiflu. There are plenty of things you can buy; the price on canine antibiotics are rising slowly - so if you want/need these now's as good a time as any to buy them, pressure canners and canning jars are not going up in price or short on supply, tourniquets are available on Amazon and everyone needs at least 1 (per person), etc. Buy this stuff now while the price is stable, or if you can find a sale even better. This flu will not be the end of the world, once it passes and there is a glut of N95 masks, the price will return to normal and maybe even go down for a bit, buy twice what you think you'll need.
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^^^^^
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Prepare don’t fret what you don’t have unless it’s essential and masks are not essential, sanitizer soaps / anti bacterial soaps are, chlorine may be something, and I can bet you there is no run ( yet ) on canned goods to keep your family going for 5-6 weeks min.
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I have used a vet supply shop. I posted masks in the deal section.


I hate using them while sanding. So damn hot. The ones with the exhaust vent are nicer.
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I have a 3M N95 half face respirator mask. It's left over from a painting project. According to 3M, there is an adapter so that N100/P100 filters can be used. So, I have one set of adapters on the way. Now whether or not I can find some N100 filters is another story. 3M part #502.
I find quite a few of the N100 style disk shaped filters on eBay, including some bulk filters. Unfortunately, many of them are shipped directly from CHINA! One seller is said he was away till Feb. 15. I wonder why?!
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Maltese, Are these heavy duty enough to wear more than once? If you washed them when you got home to get any germs off... Bill
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Maltese, Are these heavy duty enough to wear more than once? If you washed them when you got home to get any germs off... Bill
No Kimberly-Clark support info suggests these can be re-used. In biohazard use, that strikes me as unwise to attempt.
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https://www.amazon.com/Lakeland-Micr...s%2C233&sr=8-5

Basically $70 for 25 but not until almost March
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Read today that leading vector is likely Fecal-Oral, not respiratory. Hand washing and limiting contact is key.
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Read today that leading vector is likely Fecal-Oral, not respiratory. Hand washing and limiting contact is key.
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Read today that leading vector is likely Fecal-Oral, not respiratory. Hand washing and limiting contact is key.
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Kes and I have a book on emergency / wilderness medicine.


If you don’t have 2-4 books on the topic, you might surf around this forum and amazon for books.

If the web shuts down...
If a quake takes your area offline....

Printed books are a great resource.



Years back I took a friend to the ER for a broken foot.
We sat for 5-6 hours until they admitted him.
The ER is so backed up on a normal day, folks, even with insurance, cannot get treated for a non immediate injury.

The amount of people coming in with junky flu, my baby has the sniffles, I got hurt two weeks ago and I need a MD to fill out a workers comp form have jammed up the emergency medical system.


When a true disaster hits, you need to be able to take care of basic stuff on your own.



The body does a great job healing itself. Broken bones need to be set and held still with a cast. Body can then heal the bones.

It’s a dramatic oversimplification- but toss some junk from the garage- make room for 2 boxes of supplies.
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-70...?selected=true

Don't buy handi wipes when you can make your own. Still in stock only $3.92 for two bottles. Probably other options still there.
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One ought to have this book/document, or an equivalent: When There Is No Doctor: Preventive and Emergency Healthcare in Challenging Times That's an Amazon link to the paperback version; PDF version, free, here: http://tacticalintelligence.net/blog...e-download.htm

ETA and a little light reading appropriate to the season: http://www.online-literature.com/poe/36/

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Mainly, I think we cant prevent to get infected.

Its about not been a good host, meaning that my health is good enough to claim victory over it. Hopefully.

The ethical and moral duty to try to jot spread germs.

Unfortunately many in this area were to manly to wear masks when wildfires smoke was in the air, therefore their respiratory system is compromised.

The possibility of an outbrake is imminent and its possible that food and basic supplies will be in shortage.

As of today we have 2 people in bad condition been treated in UCSF, they were in san Benito and there are others in CA.
We have been unwise to prevent the spread of this virus. Too late.

I would advice to focus on food and supplies to be at at home for a month.


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Hand sanitizers
Alcohol (rubbing)
Tape
IV kits for hydration when the patient can not keep fluids down.
Bleach

Enough food and water to be able to not have to leave your home for several weeks, No need to be headed to the shops around other people that may be infected, wait it out and let it burn itself out.
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Probably at some point today the news of 30,000 infected will be released (I believe it was reported at 28k yesterday and 24k the day before so the trajectory is still high. Fortunately I don't see the trajectory increasing and certainly outside of China the trajectory is low (200 cases total outside the country with 2 deaths).

For me I admit the stock market really surprises me; for the news of the 5-6% decline over the 8k infected during the SARS outbreak lead me to believe it would be "as bad" if not worse on this one. Other then two drops its been a market marvel for now. There is of course still grounds for chaos if some fear mongering news comes out - like the 25k dead story and others.

Prep wise I did obtain 6 bottles of the 91% alcohol from amazon pretty cheap; it was an easy add to an order since I only had one bottle at home. This event has been good for the prepper in me, checking supplies, noting shortages of anything, and stocking up where I wasn't fully stocked. Nothing wrong with learning from a crisis and being glad its not coming to your door (so far).
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Hand sanitizers
Alcohol (rubbing)
Tape
IV kits for hydration when the patient can not keep fluids down.
Bleach

Enough food and water to be able to not have to leave your home for several weeks, No need to be headed to the shops around other people that may be infected, wait it out and let it burn itself out.
Recently someone asked about 'rehydration enemas'; I replied those would work pretty well (a principal function of the large intestine is to extract water from things passing down the pipe), and I think they ought to get some more attention.

There are advantages: don't have to
- look for a vein,
- worry about sterility or infection,
- worry about 'losing' the access, and
- worry about flow rates (much).

Disadvantage: if one is dehydrated, it's likely one is emitting fluids from both ends. That's messy in this application, and the ability (or, 'willingness') of the large intestine to perform its water reclamation function might be compromised.
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I found some older packs of Ceralyte in my stuff. Seems like a good addition to the survival stash, once the initial med needs are met and we have "dry" bodies.

https://ceraproductsinc.com/collections/all

And to add to the reading du jour --> https://www.amazon.com/Jakarta-Pande.../dp/B0047DX080

I bought a copy last time SHTF, TL:dR at the time I will knock this out this week.

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Probably a good idea to change or modify diet and pack on carbs and high vitamin fruits and vegetables so if you did get sick; you can hopefully weather it. Keep honey on hand the pneumonia stage, and prepare for that.

The pneumonia is what is actually doing the killing. But requires specialized equipment and prescriptions to take one. Also stop smoking. Probably best thing you can do in any situation.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KCFQF2L...v_ov_lig_dp_it

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I found some older packs of Ceralyte in my stuff. Seems like a good addition to the survival stash, once the initial med needs are met and we have "dry" bodies.

https://ceraproductsinc.com/collections/all

And to add to the reading du jour --> https://www.amazon.com/Jakarta-Pande.../dp/B0047DX080

I bought a copy last time SHTF, TL:dR at the time I will knock this out this week.

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Rehydration fluids are easy to make at home, but really, regular Gatorade or equivalent cut 50% with water is pretty simple and plastic bottles of sports drinks are convenient, if you have space to store it.

And, Gatorade powder is available - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gatorade+...b_sb_ss_i_1_12
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One thing I'm doing is skipping my weekly visit to the local AMP for awhile.
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Is anyone changing their bug out bags due to this bug? I’m thinking of adding or making some room for more sanitizing chemicals, wipes, hydration formula and some powdered vitamin c / zinc I keep at home.
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Years back I took a friend to the ER for a broken foot.
We sat for 5-6 hours until they admitted him.
The ER is so backed up on a normal day, folks, even with insurance, cannot get treated for a non immediate injury.

The amount of people coming in with junky flu, my baby has the sniffles, I got hurt two weeks ago and I need a MD to fill out a workers comp form have jammed up the emergency medical system.


When a true disaster hits, you need to be able to take care of basic stuff on your own.
You are 100% correct. The problem is, most people are morons. 90% of the stuff that clogs up the ER 24/7 can easily be taken care of in urgent care. People are just too ****ing stupid to do it and use the ER as their personal primary care doc.

If there was even a "mini-pandemic" here, I can guarantee *ALL* hospitals will be overwhelmed in mere hours.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KCFQF2L...v_ov_lig_dp_it

Is this the same stuff or what am I missing?
Probably works just as well...Med guidance for hydration needs for physical sweating vs. leaking both ends probably needs different electrolyte/other formulation? Maybe concentration difference?

Whatever, Gatorade powder to the add list.

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If the virus is also transmitted through the eyes will a mask be enough?
Goggles are best. Get a nice pair of swimming goggles. The thing is, most times you infect yourself by rubbing your eyes (especially people with allergies). Washing your hands often mitigates this risk. Keep some hand sanitizer in your car, by your desk at work. Buy some lysol spray to keep at work and home to spray surfaces.

But, to be honest, without a vaccine just about everyone will get infected at some point barring drastic measures. The hope is that the virus isn't as bad some think it is.
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Clearly if infected you don't really want to go to a hospital unless its dire right? You'd like to be able to "treat" the symptoms and survive the virus at home? I'm single so if I discovered symptoms at home I'd only call for help if I couldn't breath and would want to try and mitigate symptoms and let it take its course at home.

It seems to me like the snake oil salesmen are coming out of the wood works with the price gouging surgical mask sellers right now. I'm not a "big" holistic care kind of person I like real solutions; vitamins, staying hydrated and such I can see being beneficial. What I'm totally at LOSS on here is what would I have in my preparations to get through having the virus? Chicken soup? Vitamin C, Zinc? What should people be stocking up on?


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Goggles are best. Get a nice pair of swimming goggles. The thing is, most times you infect yourself by rubbing your eyes (especially people with allergies). Washing your hands often mitigates this risk. Keep some hand sanitizer in your car, by your desk at work. Buy some lysol spray to keep at work and home to spray surfaces.

But, to be honest, without a vaccine just about everyone will get infected at some point barring drastic measures. The hope is that the virus isn't as bad some think it is.
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Time for a prep shift;

From how to avoid it - to how to will you survive it.
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Time for a prep shift;

From how to avoid it - to how to will you survive it.


***************

Realistically, for Joe Average Prepper:

Hand Sanitizer

Vitamin C / Airborne / ???

Tylenol

Gatorade or Pedialyte

Soup

Kleenex

????

$$$ in the bank to pay bills

I looked into fish antibiotics, but without a solid medical background, the problem is determining what drug and what dosage.

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N95 filter pads for my respirator are all sold out. HOWEVER, i found some P95 pads in stock and got them.

Apparently people don't know P95 is actually higher level protection than N95! They must've just heard the term "N95 mask" on the news and just bought those.
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I looked into fish antibiotics, but without a solid medical background, the problem is determining what drug and what dosage.
With this problem, a viral disease, antibiotics are ineffective ** (unless to treat an opportunistic infection such as some pneumonias).

I have not encountered non-prescription anti-virals. They might be out there somewhere ...

** it used to be the case that a virus was not considered to be 'alive'; some more recent reports show that some virii actually do have the ability to reproduce outside hijacking the machinery of other cells.
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