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Old 07-27-2020, 8:14 AM
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I’m currently in the midst of my CCW applications with San Bernardino but had a question.

What do you all do when entering a business with metal detectors? Is it as simple as showing them you permit?

I understand some businesses are more CCW ‘friendly’. Just curious on what happens in such a scenario.

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I think you'll find that business' that have metal detectors don't want you to be armed inside their business.

I would never show a permit to anyone who doesn't have the authority or need to know, and that sure isn't anyone in a store that has metal detectors at the doors.

Plenty of other places that sell things I need. No need to waste my money on a business that doesn't support my right to protect myself.
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I’m currently in the midst of my CCW applications with San Bernardino but had a question.



What do you all do when entering a business with metal detectors? Is it as simple as showing them you permit?



I understand some businesses are more CCW ‘friendly’. Just curious on what happens in such a scenario.



TIA.
Turn around and leave!

For times I can't leave, I have a lock box in my main vehicle cabled to the seat mount underneath the driver's door. I don't like leaving a firearm in the vehicle but sometimes there's no choice, I. E. Attending one of the kids' school event or going to the post office (which I park on the street next to the post office not in the actual parking lot).

There is a new policy from my IA, (Orange County) regarding the display of your license. Basically your not supposed to show it either accidentally or purposely. My renewal instructor posited that someone tried to use their CCW license card as ID.

Good luck getting your license.
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I usually just point to my steel toe boots and say "Steel toe boots" Then just keep on walking.
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I've never encountered a business with metal detectors. I see them at the usual places (court houses, etc.) but not businesses.

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I've never encountered a business with metal detectors. I see them at the usual places (court houses, etc.) but not businesses.

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^^^This. Sports events and concerts but not businesses. If a business can afford a metal detector and staff to run it they are way over charging you anyway.
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I think you'll find that business' that have metal detectors don't want you to be armed inside their business.

I would never show a permit to anyone who doesn't have the authority or need to know, and that sure isn't anyone in a store that has metal detectors at the doors.

Plenty of other places that sell things I need. No need to waste my money on a business that doesn't support my right to protect myself.
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Turn around and leave!

For times I can't leave, I have a lock box in my main vehicle cabled to the seat mount underneath the driver's door. I don't like leaving a firearm in the vehicle but sometimes there's no choice, I. E. Attending one of the kids' school event or going to the post office (which I park on the street next to the post office not in the actual parking lot).

There is a new policy from my IA, (Orange County) regarding the display of your license. Basically your not supposed to show it either accidentally or purposely. My renewal instructor posited that someone tried to use their CCW license card as ID.

Good luck getting your license.
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^^^This. Sports events and concerts but not businesses. If a business can afford a metal detector and staff to run it they are way over charging you anyway.
Thank you gentlemen!

By 'business', I meant an establishment in general. Whether it be a store, sporting event, etc.

For instance a sporting event. Would you guys not even bother carrying since you know there will be metal detectors?
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Thank you gentlemen!

By 'business', I meant an establishment in general. Whether it be a store, sporting event, etc.

For instance a sporting event. Would you guys not even bother carrying since you know there will be metal detectors?
I wouldn't. You're not getting in with a gun, so seems to be no point.

(This is aside from the situation that the first line 'opposition' is nearly always unarmed, so determination would likely get you in, for a while. Major sporting events commonly have PD presence ...)
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Thank you gentlemen!

By 'business', I meant an establishment in general. Whether it be a store, sporting event, etc.

For instance a sporting event. Would you guys not even bother carrying since you know there will be metal detectors?
Businesses like banks or jewelry stores that have the metal detector door screening setup, I usually just point to my keys or belt. More of a deterrence IMO unlike concerts or sporting events where you get the wand and a pat down during screening. In that case I lock it up before exiting the vehicle.
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Thank you gentlemen!

By 'business', I meant an establishment in general. Whether it be a store, sporting event, etc.

For instance a sporting event. Would you guys not even bother carrying since you know there will be metal detectors?
Keep in mind that with events that have metal detectors, there are often police around too. If you set off a detector and they figure out you have a gun, you will likely end up talking to a cop. Nobody needs that headache. And the cops could also tell your IA that, "you're irresponsible, trying to sneak a gun into a place you know doesn't allow them," and then your IA pulls your card. It just isn't worth it IMO.
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I’m currently in the midst of my CCW applications with San Bernardino but had a question.

What do you all do when entering a business with metal detectors? Is it as simple as showing them you permit?

I understand some businesses are more CCW ‘friendly’. Just curious on what happens in such a scenario.

TIA.
25+ years of carrying in San Bernardino and I have been in one bank with metal detectors.
ARMC has them also.
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You flash 'em the badge and tell 'em, "You're on a mission from God."
Just flash your CCW badge. They'll let you right in.
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Keep in mind that with events that have metal detectors, there are often police around too. If you set off a detector and they figure out you have a gun, you will likely end up talking to a cop. Nobody needs that headache. And the cops could also tell your IA that, "you're irresponsible, trying to sneak a gun into a place you know doesn't allow them," and then your IA pulls your card. It just isn't worth it IMO.
Great point. I'm just trying to get the limitations of CCW.

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You never show your license to anybody you don't know, unless it's a law enforcement officer on duty. If you set off an alarm on a metal detector, whether it's at a concert, sporting event, or a business like a jewelry store, the very last thing you want to do is tell them you have a gun. If they want to pat you down in order to enter, you simply turn around and take your business somewhere else.

It may sound strange to some folks, but the simple word "gun" makes many people cringe or panic. And a venue or business that goes to that length to make sure nobody brings a weapon inside, is not a place to utter that word gun or firearm or weapon.
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^ I agree. Even my immediate family doesn’t know when I’m carrying. If something happens the last thing I want is someone blurting out to me: “shoot that guy!” or “you’ve got a gun, stop him.” If an actual LEO asks for my license I’ll show it to them. Nobody else.
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The World Ag Expo held in Tulare every February has a sign posted outside each entrance that states you're good to go if you present your rice paper. Works every time. Short of that, I'd spend my money elsewhere.
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I think you'll find that business' that have metal detectors don't want you to be armed inside their business.

I would never show a permit to anyone who doesn't have the authority or need to know, and that sure isn't anyone in a store that has metal detectors at the doors.

Plenty of other places that sell things I need. No need to waste my money on a business that doesn't support my right to protect myself.
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I wouldn't. You're not getting in with a gun, so seems to be no point.
There is a local concert venue with metal detectors, someone I know has been successful in bypassing them 3 out of 4 times.
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There is a local concert venue with metal detectors, someone I know has been successful in bypassing them 3 out of 4 times.
Walk-throughs, or wands?

Gate folks with wands are frequently the newbies on the staff, and can be distracted/intimidated. I did that job for 15 years, though not so much gates the last 10.

I haven't heard of folks avoiding the walk-throughs, but possible, I guess.
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Walk-throughs, or wands?

Gate folks with wands are frequently the newbies on the staff, and can be distracted/intimidated. I did that job for 15 years, though not so much gates the last 10.

I haven't heard of folks avoiding the walk-throughs, but possible, I guess.
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There is no business who is going to be impressed or modify their policies because you flash a CCW. That is never going to happen. The permit is for showing to cops and gun stores when you use it for SHD exemption and proof of residence.

When you see a metal detector and you have a gun on you, turn around and walk away.
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