HK P2000SK for EDC CC

[PewPew65]

I'm currently in the search for the "perfect" CC gun and am most likely going to stick with on roster as off roster private party sales can get rather pricey.

I own and like the Glock 19, but it's a bit too large for me to CC (I am a petite lady). I purchased (without trying) the Glock 26. Stupid mistake. I wrongly assumed the 26 was just a more compact version of the 19. I do not like the 26 at all. My 19 is more comfortable in my hand, the 26 gave me blood blisters on my right pinky (and I do have the mag extenders), and I took about 95% of rounds shot as brass to the face with the 26.

So I am now on the search for the best CC option for me - would prefer something in 9mm. I've narrowed it down to the HK P2000 SK (I think). The local gun range has the full-size version for rent, but not the SK (sub-compact). I really enjoyed it and my accuracy was pretty high after I got used to the first few shots. But I'm still a bit nervous since I bought the 26 thinking it would be perfect. I know everyone will have different opinions and has different likes and dislikes, but if you are willing to share the following, I would definitely appreciate it:

1. Do you own and use an HK P2000 SK for CC?
2. If so, do you have the SA/DA or LEM version? Why do you like that version?
3. Do you own and use something else (on roster) for CC? Why do you like it?

Thanks all!

[Fingergunscootersquirrel.]

I have a g19 in my rotation of guns. It took some playing with different ride heights for my holster before I was comfortable with it. Have you tried appendix carrying a little higher?

[Xeng]

I carry the P2000SK in .40S&W and love it.
Carries nicer and way more comfortable than my G19.

I’m a guy and on the slim side but still manage to conceal easily on both firearms.

My wife carries a SIG 1911 Compact in .45; she’s 5’4” and very petite. Her other carry is a P238 and a G42.


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[davidj]

You should also post this question in the ladies forum, they may have some good suggestions for you.
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...play.php?f=153
I have bear claw hands so I could not offer you suggestions that might work for you. I would try to find some ranges that have guns for rent and try them out.
My smallest that I carry when I go out of state is a Sig 938, I like it but it is off roster. Good luck.

[mk2dave]

I'm a big fan of the USPC, but I have never fired the P2000SK so I cannot speak to the weapon itself.

I've recently converted the USPC from DA/SA to the LEM, and I don't think you can go wrong either way. I think a lot of it has to do with what you are familiar with. The DA/SA feels like what you would expect, although the DA trigger was a bit too heavy, at least for me. The LEM is a significant change, almost like a very loooong 4.5# pull on a striker fired pistol without the "grit".

Buying new, I'd suggest either finding a store that has a LEM or try and find someone close to you that has one. I like it, but I see why other's might not.

Kahr's and surprising enough Bersa's have pretty good triggers, although with Bersa you are stepping down to a .380.

I'm curious to hear what other's think

[TipsyMcStaggers]

I use a DA/SA P2000SK for my CC. I've never tried the LEM/light trigger variants.

I love it for its small size, and it can use pretty much any ammo. I'm 6', and if it didn't have the pinky lip on the magazine it would be too small for my hands.

[nintense]

Originally Posted by PewPew65

I'm currently in the search for the "perfect" CC gun and am most likely going to stick with on roster as off roster private party sales can get rather pricey.

I own and like the Glock 19, but it's a bit too large for me to CC (I am a petite lady). I purchased (without trying) the Glock 26. Stupid mistake. I wrongly assumed the 26 was just a more compact version of the 19. I do not like the 26 at all. My 19 is more comfortable in my hand, the 26 gave me blood blisters on my right pinky (and I do have the mag extenders), and I took about 95% of rounds shot as brass to the face with the 26.

So I am now on the search for the best CC option for me - would prefer something in 9mm. I've narrowed it down to the HK P2000 SK (I think). The local gun range has the full-size version for rent, but not the SK (sub-compact). I really enjoyed it and my accuracy was pretty high after I got used to the first few shots. But I'm still a bit nervous since I bought the 26 thinking it would be perfect. I know everyone will have different opinions and has different likes and dislikes, but if you are willing to share the following, I would definitely appreciate it:

1. Do you own and use an HK P2000 SK for CC?
2. If so, do you have the SA/DA or LEM version? Why do you like that version?
3. Do you own and use something else (on roster) for CC? Why do you like it?

Thanks all!

I have a P2000SK LEM in my CCW list.
It built like a tank, and fits excellent in my small hand. I shoot a lot of cheap garbage during the pandemic and could never produce a single malfunction. The LEM is like a lightweight trigger revolver, and requires some getting used to, but I prefer it over any striker without a thumb safety. I use it mostly for outdoor activities, when the risks are relatively low, otherwise I carry my 1911 45.


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[Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)]

1. Do you own and use an HK P2000 SK for CC?
Yes, I purchased it specifically for CC

2. If so, do you have the SA/DA or LEM version? Why do you like that version
V3 (DA/SA)

3. Do you own and use something else (on roster) for CC? Why do you like it?
I live in Alameda County. They only allow you 1 handgun for the initial CCW application. I initially intended to use my Kahr Arm Pm9, but I found it difficult to be accurate at greater than 10 yards. I switched to the P2000SK because I thought the DA/SA setup leads to better accuracy at longer distances. One of the biggest advantages of the P2000SK over the Glock 19 Gen 3 is that the P2000SK has interchangeable backstraps. This makes a hug difference in terms on the fit in your hand. The P2000SK is also just a bit taller than baby Glocks, with the mags having a lip. I took a CCW course and did really well at all distances with the P2000SK in the mock qualification. The biggest disadvantages IMO is that you have to learn two trigger pulls and availability of aftermarket parts. That being said, my DA shots were decently accurate at my mock qualifications. In terms of the polymer composites, both HK and Glock are both good. Also, any sights that fit the vp9 will fit the P2000 or P2000sk.

[ACfixer]

Here's a great resource for comparisons.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...k-vs-glock-g19

[Scotty]

P2000SK is my primary CCW gun with the LEM trigger, but I carry it fully decocked. My alternate and bedroom gun is a P2000 also with the LEM. My other alternate is a Para Carry 9 LDA. Notice the trend?

[tigerpan]

Shield, or xd are pretty good. I carry cw9 because it’s cheap and reliable, only problem is capacity. When renew time I would add Hellcat and 365

[RustyIron]

Originally Posted by PewPew65

1. Do you own and use an HK P2000 SK for CC?

Yes. It used to be my #1 carry gun, but now it's an alternate. Nevertheless, I've found the gun to be reliable, shootable, and concealable. It's a GOOD gun.

Originally Posted by PewPew65

2. If so, do you have the SA/DA or LEM version? Why do you like that version?

Mine started life as SA/DA, but I changed it to LEM. I prefer a long, light trigger pull with no manual safety. Although modern striker-fired guns are perfectly reliable, my dinosaur brain still likes hammer fired guns.

Originally Posted by PewPew65

3. Do you own and use something else (on roster) for CC? Why do you like it?

I have several that I carry, but there's one that I would recommend to you. My favorite carry gun is a P365 in 9mm. Despite being smaller than the P2000SK, it fits by big hands nicely, and it has a larger magazine capacity. BUT... since you're a little smaller in stature, you might want to consider the P365 in .380 ACP. The only reason I don't have one is because it's off roster and I don't want to shell out the cash for another.

[mossy]

glock 26 with a +2 base plate is my off duty. you got a blister because your flinger was in the bite zone. if you grip the mag extension near the frame it will pinch you. you gotta hold your pinky finger lower on the extension so it is not were the frame and mag extension meet.

[CAL.BAR]

I carried the P2000sk for many years in .40 cal. However, I have switched to to the Sig 365. It is 1/3 of in inch smaller in all directions and has more ammo. I think the P2000sk will be too large for you over time.

[socal m1 shooter]

I have a P2KSK in 9mm which I sometimes carry. It has the V2 LEM trigger.

Initially I was convinced that I needed a V3, since that would behave like other DA/SA pistols I was already familiar with. But I got a good deal on a used V2 and found I liked it very, very much. You have a consistent trigger pull for each shot; it is not like a typical DA/SA trigger where the first shot has a hard pull and every shot thereafter has a lighter pull. In hindsight I'm glad I got a V2 instead of what I was initially looking for.

The main reason I choose to carry the P2KSK is because of the exposed hammer. It makes it easier to reholster safely because I can position my hand to have positive control over the hammer (my thumb is on it). I also carry a Glock sometimes which has a striker control device.

The P2KSK comes with three backstraps so you can fine-tune the grip circumferance. Standard size magazines for the pistol hold ten rounds. It is on the roster.

Holsters for the P2KSK are not as common as other guns, but you can find them. I'm not an expert but I believe it is difficult/impossible to put a good red dot on one of these currently.

Maybe one of these days I will buy a Sig P365 but for now I am unwilling to pay the CA premium. YMMV.

[Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

I'm not an expert but I believe it is difficult/impossible to put a good red dot on one of these currently.

P2000/SK takes the same sights as the VP9. A lot of pistol-mount red dots use the Leupold DeltaPoint mount. The HK kit (Part # 170905) fits on the P2000/SK. You can then mount whatever red dot sits on that platform. Hardest part is deciding whether to go to a gun smith or just pick up a sight pusher yourself. I ended getting a MGW sight pusher and it worked awesome.

One point I forgot to mention in my previous post is that the mag release on the P2000/SK is poorly designed. I can't reach it with my thumb unless I rotate the pistol 90 degrees away from the target. I've ended up training myself to actuate the mag release with my trigger finger so that I can keep the weapon on target. Not an ideal situation.

[XDJYo]

I also suggest a Shield. It shoots like a much bigger gun than it is. I have relatively small hands and found it to shoot very nicely. Biggest complaint for me was that it twisted in my hands during subsequent follow up shots. The grip was a Skosh too small for me. YMMV.

I really like the XD, but you get similar proportions to the G19.

One very good pistol is the Springfield EMP. Has 1911 ergonomics and is a very good shooter. To me, it was snappy, but not to the point of bothering me. One thing that I really liked was that it got back on target very very quickly. Not sure if your issuing agency has a problem or restriction on single action triggers.


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[rodralig]

Originally Posted by mossy

glock 26 with a +2 base plate is my off duty. you got a blister because your flinger was in the bite zone. if you grip the mag extension near the frame it will pinch you. you gotta hold your pinky finger lower on the extension so it is not were the frame and mag extension meet.

https://i.postimg.cc/xTMtndk9/20221224-051206.jpg

@OP - I find that I get blisters on my pinky with my G26 only with some extensions, ie., the “clones/copies.” I use Pearce - and no issues.


I do not have the P2000SK - but I have the Expert in 45. DA/SA vs LEM - that really depends on you. That said, are you comfortable with H&K way of ejecting magazines?

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[rodralig]

Originally Posted by Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)

One point I forgot to mention in my previous post is that the mag release on the P2000/SK is poorly designed. I can't reach it with my thumb unless I rotate the pistol 90 degrees away from the target. I've ended up training myself to actuate the mag release with my trigger finger so that I can keep the weapon on target. Not an ideal situation.

Unless I am mistaken, I would recall that the H&K magazine release was designed to be used with the trigger finger not the thumb.


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[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by rodralig

Unless I am mistaken, I would recall that the H&K magazine release was designed to be used with the trigger finger not the thumb._

I can't quite square this in my head. Having someone use their trigger finger to release the mag is a ND waiting to happen.

[igs]

Originally Posted by Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)

One point I forgot to mention in my previous post is that the mag release on the P2000/SK is poorly designed.

It's the best design and very intuitive. If you still haven't figured it out maybe you should give up shooting.

[Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)]

Originally Posted by rodralig

Unless I am mistaken, I would recall that the H&K magazine release was designed to be used with the trigger finger not the thumb.
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I don't know if it was intentionally designed that way, but given its setup, seems like it must have been. Either way, if you're used to Glocks, it takes some time to get used to.

I can't quite square this in my head. Having someone use their trigger finger to release the mag is a ND waiting to happen.

Totally agree.

It's the best design and very intuitive. If you still haven't figured it out maybe you should give up shooting.

Give up my second amendment right to defend myself? You are Gavin Newsoms wet dream. He has a place for you in his employment.

[Lanejsl]

My wife carry’s they SK and loves it. She carries it DA and conceals it very well.

[XDJYo]

There is a huge plus for the XD for CCW. Since it has a grip safety (ala the all mighty 1911), when holstering, you can holster with your thumb on the back of the slide and keep a gap open over the grip safety. It's a nice piece of mind although no safety is 100% idiot proof.

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)

P2000/SK takes the same sights as the VP9. A lot of pistol-mount red dots use the Leupold DeltaPoint mount. The HK kit (Part # 170905) fits on the P2000/SK. You can then mount whatever red dot sits on that platform. Hardest part is deciding whether to go to a gun smith or just pick up a sight pusher yourself. I ended getting a MGW sight pusher and it worked awesome.

I'm not wild about attaching an RDS using a dovetail-secured mounting plate. It seems like a bridge too far... If I was totally convinced that I needed an RDS for a carry pistol I would probably buy one with a factory-milled slide ready to accommodate an RDS, instead of trying to modify one of my existing carry pieces (and dealing with the the expense, the requalification hassle, yadda yadda yadda).

I'm not convinced I need an RDS on a carry pistol at this time, so I don't care that mine lacks one.

Originally Posted by Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)

One point I forgot to mention in my previous post is that the mag release on the P2000/SK is poorly designed. I can't reach it with my thumb unless I rotate the pistol 90 degrees away from the target. I've ended up training myself to actuate the mag release with my trigger finger so that I can keep the weapon on target. Not an ideal situation.

My hands are not huge, but I use the thumb on my shooting hand to release the magazine; it does not seem to be a problem for me, even if I am shifting my grip to achieve it. I know there is an extended magazine release, but so far as my personal experience with my P2KSK is concerned, that is unnecessary. The factory release is fine. YMMV.

[rodralig]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

I can't quite square this in my head. Having someone use their trigger finger to release the mag is a ND waiting to happen.

Have you used an H&K before paddle lever before?

The intent was to get the finger out of the trigger guard to release the magazine.

Originally Posted by Richards(MC 1/1 Alpha)

I don't know if it was intentionally designed that way, but given its setup, seems like it must have been. Either way, if you're used to Glocks, it takes some time to get used to.

Not necessarily. I am mostly a Glock shooter (7K~ rounds per year) but, at least for me, if I switch to my H&K - I don’t find any issues (and I don’t even train with my H&K)…


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[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by rodralig

Have you used an H&K before paddle lever before?

The intent was to get the finger out of the trigger guard to release the magazine.
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Yes I have. Like I said, it just seems like such a bad idea. In a high stress situation, i wouldn’t trust myself to always get it right. I don’t know if there are any ND’s attributed to it though (I haven’t read of any).

But, it didn’t seem to bother Jack Bauer at all…


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[Fnfan]

Extended mag release is a must have upgrade for the P2000s. Makes it much easier to release it with your thumb.

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

Yes I have. Like I said, it just seems like such a bad idea. In a high stress situation, i wouldn’t trust myself to always get it right.

That's because you don't practice. In a high stress environment you fall to the lowest level of your training. You don't feel competent because you don't train.

How do you think left handed shooters have been reloading their guns before receive mag release/ambi mag releases because a thing? They use their trigger fingers to push the left side button. They even use their trigger finger to push the slide release.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Scotty

That's because you don't practice. In a high stress environment you fall to the lowest level of your training. You don't feel competent because you don't train.

How do you think left handed shooters have been reloading their guns before receive mag release/ambi mag releases because a thing? They use their trigger fingers to push the left side button. They even use their trigger finger to push the slide release.

Um nope. I get it. I understand all that. You can scream all day long, but it ain’t gonna convince me.

I never owned an HK. Don’t assume bro.


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[Ol'Chap]

I picked SA/DA for redundancy 'cuz all of my EDC HK pistols & SW wheel guns are all SA/DA.

[Hamsterman]

I have a P2000SK v3 (DA/SA) as I am left-handed and this has ambidextrous controls. My experience has been primarily with revolvers so the initial DA pull is nothing unusual for me, except that the trigger has (uncomfortable) grooves unlike a DA revolver. Even so, during my qualifications I put 90% of my shots into a hole the size of a golf ball and I had only practiced with 50-100 rounds before that.

The magazine release is designed so you have to change your grip. The middle finger, when under the trigger guard, will block it from pivoting.

If you have a chance to rent it (or the larger P2000) again, de-cock it after each round and see if the DA trigger bothers you. That might make the difference between the DA/SA and LEM triggers, as you will want to practice your draw and dry-firing, which will only be DA.

[Agro]

I bought one just recently P2000SK v3 (DA/SA) and qualified with it last week. I converted it to LEM v1 this afternoon and decided not to keep the decocker sear, since I can't see a reason I need a decocker on a LEM model. My thought process was that I did not like the idea of the v3 with the hammer back and in my holster, so in single action the trigger pull was just so heavy. With the LEM cocked (1st stage) the hammer is down and I can feel confident putting it in my holster with my finger over the hammer, yet keep that light pull and then the short reset of the LEM is cool. Or at least this is all in theory from the YT videos I have watched.

I also swapped to the HK45 larger magazine release.

My carry choice before this was the S&W M&P shield, which I prob will still carry too sometimes, but I am a lefty, I already own and love H&K stuff, liked the extra +3 rounds, liked the hammer style not striker fire etc.

[mural9999]

I have two p2000sk on my CCW. One in 9mm and one in .40s&w. Both are v3 (DA/SA). I like the paddle magazine release and shoot the pistols well. One has a light/laser combo on the rail and finding good IWB holsters is a bit of a challenge.

[Agro]

Originally Posted by mural9999

I have two p2000sk on my CCW. One in 9mm and one in .40s&w. Both are v3 (DA/SA). I like the paddle magazine release and shoot the pistols well. One has a light/laser combo on the rail and finding good IWB holsters is a bit of a challenge.

Do you keep one in the chamber and the hammer back? I didn't feel comfortable with that. I also didn't like how insanely heavy the DA trigger pull is, so you can have the hammer not cocked. The LEM v1/v2 fixes this IMHO as the hammer is down, you can put your thumb over it when you holster it too and you can retain the light pull as the 1st stage is already cocked.

[mural9999]

Originally Posted by Agro

Do you keep one in the chamber and the hammer back? I didn't feel comfortable with that. I also didn't like how insanely heavy the DA trigger pull is, so you can have the hammer not cocked. The LEM v1/v2 fixes this IMHO as the hammer is down, you can put your thumb over it when you holster it too and you can retain the light pull as the 1st stage is already cocked.

I keep a round chambered and the hammer de-cocked. I practiced DA dry fire a fair amount so have become comfortable with the first DA trigger pull. I would not holster carry a pistol with the hammer cocked and no external safety.

I tried a friend's LEM version of the P30 at the range. I really liked it. I simply have not taken the time or commitment to modify mine.

[Agro]

Originally Posted by mural9999

I keep a round chambered and the hammer de-cocked. I practiced DA dry fire a fair amount so have become comfortable with the first DA trigger pull. I would not holster carry a pistol with the hammer cocked and no external safety.

I tried a friend's LEM version of the P30 at the range. I really liked it. I simply have not taken the time or commitment to modify mine.

I wonder if there are hardcore 1911 fanboys that insist it is OK to have the hammer cocked. Probably... I wasn't down with it.

Yeah the LEM was like $120 i think in parts and took about 45 mins in my garage and I have never done one before, dont work on guns beyond building some lower ar-15 receivers years ago n such. So it's relatively easy I'd say.

[nintense]

Originally Posted by Agro

I wonder if there are hardcore 1911 fanboys that insist it is OK to have the hammer cocked. Probably... I wasn't down with it.

Yeah the LEM was like $120 i think in parts and took about 45 mins in my garage and I have never done one before, dont work on guns beyond building some lower ar-15 receivers years ago n such. So it's relatively easy I'd say.

I carry daily 1911 Cocked and Locked, and once a week or so the P2KSK LEM. I grew up around 1911, and it’s my preferred platform, and in S80 it’s probably the safest gun on earth. The LEM is probably the next best safest option,,despite having no thumb safety.


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[xblax619]

Originally Posted by mossy

glock 26 with a +2 base plate is my off duty. you got a blister because your flinger was in the bite zone. if you grip the mag extension near the frame it will pinch you. you gotta hold your pinky finger lower on the extension so it is not were the frame and mag extension meet.

^this is probably your issue with the 26. have u shot it with the standard baseplates? does it still happen? if u still have the 26 u could try this before giving up on it. The G26 is my preferred carry when I’m not pocket carrying a jframe.

[DoNotReply]

Might as well as carry the G19 if you are going to put an extension on the G26. I shoot the G26 fine without any extension and it prints less than the G19. I have both.