Definitive CCW Venue List

[igs]

Please reply below which places are G2G and which are not (have metal detectors). First hand experience only!


SoCal
Amusement Parks
Disneyland X
Downtown Disney X
Knott's Berry Farm X
Legoland X
Magic Mountain X
SeaWorld X
Universal Studios X

Attractions
Aquarium of the Pacific O
Discovery Cube O
Fleet Science Center O
Los Angeles Zoo O
MOXI Museum O
Pretend City O
San Diego Zoo O
San Diego Safari Park O
Santa Barbara Zoo O
The New Children's Museum O

Fairs
Del Mar Fair X
Orange County Fair X
Pomona Fair X
Ventura County Fair X

Shows
El Capitan Theatre X


NorCal
Amusement Parks
Gilroy Gardens X
Six Flags Discovery Kingdom X

Attractions
Fresno Chaffee Zoo O
Monterey Bay Aquarium O

Vegas
Hotels

Shows
Mandalay Bay - House of Blues X
Mirage - The Beatles LOVE O

Attractions
Discovery Children's Museum O
Grand Canyon Skywalk X
Hoover Dam X

[socal m1 shooter]

At the risk of stepping into the Captain Obvious role, this thread will only be useful if it is kept updated. If CalGuns had the Wiki feature enabled, it could be a community effort, but only the OP and moderators will be able to update the first post.

That said, I think you should broaden your criteria instead of using the presence of screening hardware as your only factor. A person could be troubled even without the presence of said hardware.

For example, one can carry at LAX in non-sterile areas. However, one is prohibited from carrying concealed anywhere on the airport property at SNA. While there are obviously metal detectors at SNA (TSA runs them), they are only for people going airside. One could still have a problem if they were found to be carrying in non-sterile areas, and certainly a person might think something like "OK in parts of LAX, an airport in hostile-to-CCW LA County, so probably OK at SNA, an airport in friendly-to-CCW OC..."

In any case, another example, Segerstrom Center prohibits firearms, even when carried by off-duty LEOs. No metal detectors (at least not yet), but they do screen bags coming in, and at least some of the screening personnel were on the job at one time (i.e., possibly heightened awareness of what someone concealing a weapon might wear/do). In a perfect world, anyone attending a show there would first check to see what the policy concerning CCW might be, but wouldn't that be a good use of the thread? In other words, to increase awareness that there is, in fact, a policy in place? Of course, people can choose to obey or disobey the policy as they like.

I would also suggest that you require a reference. In other words, just because someone posts in the thread that such-and-such a place is CCW-unfriendly or CCW-illegal, let them back it up with something in writing.

[Nismo]

So the red X means no detectors, or no CCW venue?

[igs]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

At the risk of stepping into the Captain Obvious role, this thread will only be useful if it is kept updated. If CalGuns had the Wiki feature enabled, it could be a community effort, but only the OP and moderators will be able to update the first post.

That said, I think you should broaden your criteria instead of using the presence of screening hardware as your only factor. A person could be troubled even without the presence of said hardware.

For example, one can carry at LAX in non-sterile areas. However, one is prohibited from carrying concealed anywhere on the airport property at SNA. While there are obviously metal detectors at SNA (TSA runs them), they are only for people going airside. One could still have a problem if they were found to be carrying in non-sterile areas, and certainly a person might think something like "OK in parts of LAX, an airport in hostile-to-CCW LA County, so probably OK at SNA, an airport in friendly-to-CCW OC..."

In any case, another example, Segerstrom Center prohibits firearms, even when carried by off-duty LEOs. No metal detectors (at least not yet), but they do screen bags coming in, and at least some of the screening personnel were on the job at one time (i.e., possibly heightened awareness of what someone concealing a weapon might wear/do). In a perfect world, anyone attending a show there would first check to see what the policy concerning CCW might be, but wouldn't that be a good use of the thread? In other words, to increase awareness that there is, in fact, a policy in place? Of course, people can choose to obey or disobey the policy as they like.

I would also suggest that you require a reference. In other words, just because someone posts in the thread that such-and-such a place is CCW-unfriendly or CCW-illegal, let them back it up with something in writing.

This isn't a legality thread. There is already a sticky for that.

[igs]

Originally Posted by Nismo

So the red X means no detectors, or no CCW venue?

Green means ccw good to go. Red means ccw not good to go.

[BlackyHouston]

Pomona Fair - Not Good To Go

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by BlackyHouston

Pomona Fair - Not Good To Go

Same with OC Fair.

And any football or baseball venues.

[Librarian]

And 'sticky' is an ask-a-moderator thing.

Let's see how the thread goes.

[SDCarpenter]

Legoland and del Mar fair, a no go

[DevilDawgJJ]

No dice @ Knott's Berry Farm and Magic Mountain

Discovery Cube in LA and OC are GTG.

[9mmContagion]

Sea World is a NO GO

[BillSmith]

Any NFL stadium or venue.

[cbr9290318]

I would add Fresno Chaffee Zoo is good to go.

Does anyone know about Gilroy Gardens?

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[Librarian]

Additionally, it would be helpful to add the equivalent of 'this was the policy on month/day/year'; things change, mostly to more restrictive.

[9mmContagion]

Should also add Downtown Disney. Can’t even get on to the grounds without going through metal detectors

[Learning]

San Diego Safari Park (Formerly the Wild Animal Park) GTG as of 12-30-19

[sfpcservice]

In my opinion, this thread will only be used against us. Businesses will either find themselves on this list or have the list pointed out to them by some anti group.

Worst case is it could be used to spawn new legislation that I won't speculate on because I know "they" read these forums also.

[ACfixer]

^^^ That thought crossed my mind as well.

I'll tell you what I do, I just bring my weapon and if I get someplace that doesn't allow it I lock it up in the car in a legal manner. I'm not sure why people really need to post this stuff, are you going to go to Legoland and leave your piece at home and ignore the fact you may break down or have to get gas in a sketchy area? Just lock the stupid thing in your trunk or a lockbox and get it out when you get back to the parking lot. At least you have it everywhere BUT the venue.

[sfpcservice]

Another factoid is:. Let's say you do go to a venue and you find yourself being wanded... They say "what is that" (if they even find it) and you say "it's my pistol". You haven't broken any laws and just because they wand doesn't mean CCW holders can't go in... You don't know that until they tell you their policy.

Granted you will have to get out of line to secure your weapon somewhere. There is also a slight chance they let you use their lockers.

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by sfpcservice

Another factoid is:. Let's say you do go to a venue and you find yourself being wanded... They say "what is that" (if they even find it) and you say "it's my pistol". You haven't broken any laws and just because they wand doesn't mean CCW holders can't go in... You don't know that until they tell you their policy.

Granted you will have to get out of line to secure your weapon somewhere. There is also a slight chance they let you use their lockers.

In CA, if you’re going through a detector or being wanded, last thing you want to do is tell them you have a pistol/gun; Likely set up to discourage carrying. Who knows, they’ll freak out and cause a scene. Last thing you need as a CCW holder is unwanted attention (others or police response).

Someone who over hears this can follow you to the car and you may find it gone upon return.

Also, lockers tend to be for LEOs only (wait for security to excite you to said locker), and some don’t provide any.

[Pandanin]

I can add, Vegas: House of Blues in Mandalay Bay; wand and pat-down, not good to go; their policy is no weapons of any kind (December 2019)

[P5Ret]

Originally Posted by Pandanin

I can add, Vegas: House of Blues in Mandalay Bay; wand and pat-down, not good to go; their policy is no weapons of any kind (December 2019)

I think that is a Live Nation managed venue, and that is their policy company wide. It applies to all except working LEOs. The company got their collective panties all wadded up after the Paris concert shooting.

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by P5Ret

I think that is a Live Nation managed venue, and that is their policy company wide. It applies to all except working LEOs. The company got their collective panties all wadded up after the Paris concert shooting.

The fact someone killed 58 people from the Mandalay Bay might be a factor.

[igs]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Additionally, it would be helpful to add the equivalent of 'this was the policy on month/day/year'; things change, mostly to more restrictive.

Only if people continually post updates that the policy at every venue hasn't changed which would be overkill. Otherwise people will keep posting questions on whether an old dated policy is still valid which the main purpose of this thread is to avoid. People should only post about new venues or changes to existing venues on the list.

[P5Ret]

Originally Posted by ACfixer

The fact someone killed 58 people from the Mandalay Bay might be a factor.

Probably not since it has been Live Nation's policy for well over 10 years, they just started really strongly enforcing it since Paris. Just in case you're not clear, there is a difference between the hotel and a live music venue on the hotel property.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by igs

Only if people continually post updates that the policy at every venue hasn't changed which would be overkill. Otherwise people will keep posting questions on whether an old dated policy is still valid which the main purpose of this thread is to avoid. People should only post about new venues or changes to existing venues on the list.

And when someone relies on a posted condition, and comes back to complain how it's out dated?

Keeping such a list current is certainly an issue.

I get people asking me about my posts from 2005; I am trying to develop the habit of writing 'that is the law in 20xx', so when things change in 20xx+1, questions post -20xx have their obvious limitations.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by Pandanin

I can add, Vegas: House of Blues in Mandalay Bay; wand and pat-down, not good to go; their policy is no weapons of any kind (December 2019)

Originally Posted by P5Ret

I think that is a Live Nation managed venue, and that is their policy company wide. It applies to all except working LEOs. The company got their collective panties all wadded up after the Paris concert shooting.

Having worked gates at a Live Nation venue (and, something like twice in 15 years discovering a gun, both cops), I have been compelled to wonder what I was supposed to do if a gun carrier were to be un-cooperative. No armed security/PD as backups at the gates ...

But yes, Live Nation is 'no guns' anyplace they operate.

[Nismo]

Hoover dam is a no go- not even a pocket knife.
Monterey Aquarium is gtg as of middle of last year. Bag checking only.

[igs]

Originally Posted by Librarian

And when someone relies on a posted condition, and comes back to complain how it's out dated?

That's exactly when they post about a change to an existing venue on the list and the list gets updated.

[igs]

Someone could theoretically check this list for a venue that was last updated on Feb 1 2020 but on Feb 2 2020 their policy changed. That person goes on Feb 2 and sees it got changed. They report back here, the list gets updated and everyone benefits. So the date really doesn't matter as policies can change at any time and the only way to verify if it is accurate is to go in person anyway.

[P5Ret]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Having worked gates at a Live Nation venue (and, something like twice in 15 years discovering a gun, both cops), I have been compelled to wonder what I was supposed to do if a gun carrier were to be un-cooperative. No armed security/PD as backups at the gates ...

But yes, Live Nation is 'no guns' anyplace they operate.

How did you get so lucky to only work at the gates twice? Yeah I had the same concern, and expressed it more than once to deaf ears.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by igs

Someone could theoretically check this list for a venue that was last updated on Feb 1 2020 but on Feb 2 2020 their policy changed. That person goes on Feb 2 and sees it got changed. They report back here, the list gets updated and everyone benefits. So the date really doesn't matter as policies can change at any time and the only way to verify if it is accurate is to go in person anyway.

So, therefore, the list doesn't matter, as the only way to be sure of current conditions is to go there.

[NorCalBusa]

I think it important to keep historical data points as well- when did what change & from what, to what. Sourcing is good, and add confirmations by others would give more credibility.

[NorCalBusa]

Gilroy Gardens is a "hell no"- not even off duty cops can CCW there (even off duty Gilroy cops)...

[igs]

Originally Posted by Librarian

So, therefore, the list doesn't matter, as the only way to be sure of current conditions is to go there.

Precisely, so no need to be concerned someone will complain it's outdated. But the odds of the venue you're going to changing it's policy is small (how many decades is it since venues change their policy). And the odds of it changing it's policy right before you go is even smaller. If you do win the lottery you can update the list and help the next guy that goes there out. And this forum won't need the exact same questions posted over and over again across dozens of threads.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by igs

And this forum won't need the exact same questions posted over and over again across dozens of threads.

Ahem.

I see you have not been here very long ...

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Ahem.

I see you have not been here very long ...

Originally Posted by P5Ret

Probably not since it has been Live Nation's policy for well over 10 years, they just started really strongly enforcing it since Paris. Just in case you're not clear, there is a difference between the hotel and a live music venue on the hotel property.

Yeah you're right, some jackass shooting 500 people at a concert across the street from the Mandalay Bay probably didn't even cross their mind concerning the no guns policy in a concert venue downstairs.

But thanks for making things "clear" to me dad, I appreciate it.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by ACfixer

Yeah you're right, some jackass shooting 500 people at a concert across the street from the Mandalay Bay probably didn't even cross their mind concerning the no guns policy in a concert venue downstairs.

But thanks for making things "clear" to me dad, I appreciate it.

Bataclan/Paris was 2015, Mandalay Bay was October 2017.

Live Nation actually spent $$ for walk-through metal detectors in spring of 2017; note also that the LV hotel rooms were outside the ‘pop-up’ venue security perimeter.

[Afterimage]

My fear is the f**sticks in Sacramento will read this thread, then ban guns in these areas. California gun owners will adjust to the heat.

We're past the simmering temperature and are heading towards the boiling point.

Don't get me wrong....I became complacent.

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Bataclan/Paris was 2015, Mandalay Bay was October 2017.

Live Nation actually spent $$ for walk-through metal detectors in spring of 2017; note also that the LV hotel rooms were outside the ‘pop-up’ venue security perimeter.

Well I guess when I'm wrong I'm wrong.