Duty to inform? - California Counties and Municipalities: Add your IA's policy

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by GuyFawkes

Haha, looks like a school hall monitor.

There are hall monitors, and hall monitors ...

[GlockN'Roll]

Originally Posted by GuyFawkes

It's amazing how many online "experts" promote the use of those stupid badges

I am curious what they could be referring to as "OTHER UNAUTHORIZED CCW ACCESSORIES"

That's pretty vague.

Guys like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBA2ynqv5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrpsMjtvlKM

[baggss]

Reviving an old thread. Look like the CGF is taking up the challenge to put together a formal guide on CCW policy for all 58 Counties.

Originally Posted by CGF

We’ve been diligently requesting documents this year from all 58 of California’s sheriffs pertaining to their carry license policies, with the ultimate goal of creating a public resource on our website for all Californians.

We will also will be grading each policy with specific, fact-based, transparent public criteria taken straight from the California Penal Code and case law.

Our objective: until such time that all law-abiding Californians can exercise their fundamental, individual right to carry loaded, operable firearms in public for self-defense, the public has a right to know whether their elected officials are following the State Constitution, statute, and case law as it is written.

Link https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/20...policy-review/

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Again, thank you baggss!

Shasta county requires CCW holders to inform LEOs.

[ka24deroadster]

No duty to inform for Sonoma County.

[tumark2]

Originally Posted by Nor*Cal

I can confirm that San Joaquin does NOT have a written policy stating that you must disclose.

And from reading the DUI Checkpoint thread, the following counties DO have a duty to disclose policy:

Orange - you must disclose
Placer - you must disclose
Sacramento - you must disclose
San Bernardino - you must disclose

you only must inform if it printed on your ccw permit as an additional requirement of your IA.

So for example my permit from Lake County does not list such a requirement, so in Orange County I am not required to disclose. However when asked for my drivers license during an encounter I would hand the officer both my license and my permit.

Every CCW permit holder is required to inform LEO if asked directly and must surrender the weapon for inspection upon demand. Those are in the standard basic DOJ terms of all Calif permit terms that we all agreed to when we applied.

[tumark2]

Originally Posted by doctord23

In Butte County, the instructor suggested not to inform at LEO contact unless a physical search was going to take place at which time you should state that they will find your CCW gun at location "X" either on your body or in your vehicle.

or else he might say is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.

[Mwfillmore]

I was told (in my renewal class) that when you are pulled over your ccw comes up if your vehicle is registered under your name.

Any Leo's around or other well informed individuals? I think if this is the case, and you get pulled over it would be better for them to receive that info from you the ccw holder

[RumT]

CCW Instructor in SLO (SLOSD Armorer) indicated no obligation to advise and preference not to.

[GuyFawkes]

Riverside County Sheriff's Department - No Duty to Inform

Must inform Issuing Agency of specific types of contact with law enforcement, see below:

Conditions, and Policy Regarding Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) License

In the event I am detained or arrested by any law enforcement agency, or asked to present my license to any peace officer. I shall notify the CCW Unit as soon as it is practical to do so, describing the details of the law enforcement contact. Additionally, I understand that I am to report any court actions, either civil or criminal, where I am directly involved.

http://www.riversidesheriff.org/pdf/...O-CCW-2016.pdf

[bruss01]

Originally Posted by Nor*Cal

I can confirm that San Joaquin does NOT have a written policy stating that you must disclose.

And from reading the DUI Checkpoint thread, the following counties DO have a duty to disclose policy:

Orange - you must disclose
Placer - you must disclose
Sacramento - you must disclose
San Bernardino - you must disclose

Clarification... in Sac you are only required to inform when you are armed... otherwise, no duty to inform you possess the permit. Also they recently clarified that "contact" with LEO means if being cited or arrested... not because you witnessed a fender bender and stuck around to be a good witness. Verified former on my new permit and latter emailed our cca office.

[Old_Bald_Guy]

Originally Posted by bruss01

Clarification... in Sac you are only required to inform when you are armed... otherwise, no duty to inform you possess the permit.

Er... not exactly. As has been previously described, there's an unresolved contradiction between the language on the back of the license and the language on SSD's website:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga...res%201-14.pdf







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[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by GuyFawkes

Riverside County Sheriff's Department - No Duty to Inform

Must inform Issuing Agency of specific types of contact with law enforcement, see below:

Same for San Bernardino. No duty to inform, but it is recommended.

Must inform IA within 72 hours of arrest or being questioned as a suspect, but inform IA within 10 days of citation.

[Tenamaxtle]

Originally Posted by doctord23

In Butte County, the instructor suggested not to inform at LEO contact unless a physical search was going to take place at which time you should state that they will find your CCW gun at location "X" either on your body or in your vehicle.

This, Sheriff says no duty to inform, but will be a nice gesture if you volunteer that info to his deputies. Berkeley North... I mean Chico PD, will twist their undies if not informed.

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[bruss01]

Originally Posted by Old_Bald_Guy

Er... not exactly. As has been previously described, there's an unresolved contradiction between the language on the back of the license and the language on SSD's website:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga...res%201-14.pdf







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I know... that is why I confirmed by asking. They said the permit language is current... webite not so much.

[islanderman7]

Kern

Picked up my permit in March and they gave me a list of conditions for my CCW permit. We are required to inform.


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[GuyFawkes]

Originally Posted by islanderman7

Kern

Picked up my permit in March and they gave me a list of conditions for my CCW permit. We are required to inform.


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Your Sheriff has an interesting name, Donny Youngblood.

[Old_Bald_Guy]

Originally Posted by bruss01

I know... that is why I confirmed by asking. They said the permit language is current... webite not so much.

It'd be helpful if they'd just edit the web page.


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[tanks]

Looks like OC has changed its policy a bit. When I got my permit the first time, one had to inform if one was carrying. Some months ago went through renewal training, now, one has to inform regardless whether your weapon is on you or at home.

[titan2]

Originally Posted by adamjay

Recent threads have me thinking - different counties and even municipalities within California have different policies on a CCW permitee's Duty to Inform law enforcement when that CCW permittee is carrying and interacting with law enforcement officers. I'm wondering if anyone has a list or can point us to one. I've searched but have been unable to find it.

I'm not asking for opinions on whether you should or should not inform, just the laws/ policies.

On the same topic, are there other requirements or restrictions across counties and municipalities that we need to be aware of?

I did find this article of July 2015, which outlines policies throughout the 50 states. These laws change so frequently, I would double check before taking it as absolute truth, but here it is:

http://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/

WHY??? The only one that matters is your own IA! Doesn't matter what any other county in the state requires of 'THEIR' residents who CCW! Personally, I'd disclose and that's what Sacramento requires of us.......I'm not going to worry about any other county and what they may or may not require of their CCW carriers!

[titan2]

Originally Posted by Old_Bald_Guy

It'd be helpful if they'd just edit the web page.


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Yep.....if; I'm NOT carrying, I don't have my permit with me and I'm NOT informing as it makes no sense because there's NO weapon anywhere, with the exception of the COP!!!

It makes NO difference with your interactions with LEO if you're NOT armed (on you or in your vehicle) and you have a CCW permit....having the permit won't necessarily get you out of being cited!!!

[baggss]

Originally Posted by titan2

Yep.....if; I'm NOT carrying, I don't have my permit with me and I'm NOT informing as it makes no sense because there's NO weapon anywhere, with the exception of the COP!!!

It makes NO difference with your interactions with LEO if you're NOT armed (on you or in your vehicle) and you have a CCW permit....having the permit won't necessarily get you out of being cited!!!

That depends on weather the nice officer will know that you have been issued a CCW when he runs your license. I have no idea if they can tell or not, but I agree with your above statement.

I have been told (by SD personnel) that in my county the SD officers can tell if you have been issued a CCW when they run your licence, but we also have no duty to inform unless asked.

[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by titan2

WHY??? The only one that matters is your own IA! Doesn't matter what any other county in the state requires of 'THEIR' residents who CCW! Personally, I'd disclose and that's what Sacramento requires of us.......I'm not going to worry about any other county and what they may or may not require of their CCW carriers!

Reference purposes.

There isn't a whole lot of information presented in the classes, but average retention is less than 50%... closer to 20% for typical 1-day classes.
There are always questions later.. or in some cases, while in class some may tend to gloss over some of the material intending to remain firmly on the "safe" side when the instructor says "Recommended" and they forgot that immediately prior he said "No duty but..."

[dasaf]

Now my question is, do I only inform them only during traffic stops or any time I see an officer next to me. E.G. when I'm at a restaurant and an officer is sitting beside me eating.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by dasaf

Now my question is, do I only inform them only during traffic stops or any time I see an officer next to me. E.G. when I'm at a restaurant and an officer is sitting beside me eating.

"contact" - generally, being detained or asked for your ID.

If you live next door to Officer Bob, saying hello while mowing your lawn is not "contact".

[vandal]

Contra Costa: INFORM

[Doheny]

Originally Posted by robert101

Orange County states, "If contacted by a law enforcement officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately inform the officer that they are a CCW licensee and provide their CCW License as proof the are carrying a concealed weapon."

Might I add, the following above statement is from the Terms of License Acknowledgement Carry Concealed Weapon - CCW issued with my license.

Also, the above term does not seem to limit my acknowledgement of carry to only Orange County but may reflect my need to give notice to "any" officer regardless of their rules.

My only problem is with the term "contact". As it is not defined and there can be many forms of contact that do not warrant such a disclosure of CCW. It would be beneficial for the IA to issue a clarification to this term.

Technically there are only three types of contact. Regardless, "any" means any, so it's pretty clear.

Originally Posted by tanks

Looks like OC has changed its policy a bit. When I got my permit the first time, one had to inform if one was carrying. Some months ago went through renewal training, now, one has to inform regardless whether your weapon is on you or at home.

I don't see that in the current Terms of License on their webpage. If you heard that from your trainer, it wouldn't be the first time one of them was wrong about something.

[clb]

So any traction on this list?