City AND County CCWs?

[Ron Jeremey]

If an IA can't deny you for good cause, is there any reason that you can't have one issued by your County Sheriff and your local PD?

If I'm willing to spend the money for multiple applications, livescans, etc., and I'm willing to put in the time, is there any reason I couldn't have two? If both entities limit me to two guns, I could theoretically be able to carry 4.
Yes, I realize that it sounds crazy, but it's my money and time.
Is there any reason they can say "no"?

[DGoodale]

Why would you want to do that? A CHL is good statewide, unless otherwise restricted.

[9Cal_OC]

Why? (Even though that doesn’t stop Ron Jeremey)

Also, which IA only allows for 2?

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Why? (Even though that doesn’t stop Ron Jeremey)

Also, which IA only allows for 2?

Contra Costa only allows for 2. And they are picky. They don't allow 1911's. My local PD allows for 3, and they don't expressly prohibit 1911's.

I knew when I wrote this that I'd end up having to explain this several times. I want to be able to carry 4 guns.

Don't worry about why. Is there a statutory reason I can't? Because I can't think of one. Can you?

[L84CABO]

Interesting.

My thinking is that the IA's would probably have a problem with this...if they find out. And to that end, would the background check process turn up both permits? Or is there one big statewide system that all CCW permits get entered into so they would see you have two permits at some point?

[9Cal_OC]

You can ask your IA anonymously.

I agree that your IA may not want this as said above. IIRC you are issued a CII # from the DOJ, so I doubt it can be used by two different agencies.

Apply with your local PD instead. 3 > 2 and if you haven’t carried, you may likely carry 2 or 3 from whatever you actually listed. YMMV

[Quiet]

You should also research if your county sheriff has CCW processing agreements with the city PDs within your county.

If your county SD has an agreement with your city PD, then you can be required to be processed by the city PD instead of the County SD. [PC 26150(c)]

If your city PD has an agreement with your county SD, then you can be required to be processed by the county SD instead of your city PD. [PC 26155(c)]



Penal Code 26150
(c)(1) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the sheriff of the county from entering into an agreement with the chief or other head of a municipal police department of a city to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, or amendments to licenses pursuant to this chapter, in lieu of the sheriff.
(2) This subdivision shall only apply to applicants who reside within the city in which the chief or other head of the municipal police department has agreed to process applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.

Penal Code 26155
(c) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city from entering an agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

Or is there one big statewide system that all CCW permits get entered into so they would see you have two permits at some point?

Yes, starting in 03-2009, there is a category in CLETS-AFS that lists all valid CA CCW permit holders and a requirement that all issuing agencies submit CCW permit holder info into that category.

[Usual_Suspect]

Originally Posted by Quiet

Yes, starting in 03-2009, there is a category in CLETS-AFS that lists all valid CA CCW permit holders and a requirement that all issuing agencies submit CCW permit holder info into that category.

I know the system dates back to the early 90’s. I moved in 2002 and applied for one in the county I moved to. The Sheriff in the new county could see all my old permits, the first was issued in 1992, and which firearms were listed on them, and who the issuing agency was. The Sgt processing my application showed me a printout of it.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by Usual_Suspect

I know the system dates back to the early 90’s. I moved in 2002 and applied for one in the county I moved to. The Sheriff in the new county could see all my old permits, the first was issued in 1992, and which firearms were listed on them, and who the issuing agency was. The Sgt processing my application showed me a printout of it.

Before March 2009, it was optional for an issuing agency to upload CCW permit holders info into CLETS-AFS.

In March 2009, CA DOJ made it mandatory for issuing agencies to do so.
This was due to issuing agencies not being consistent with their uploads and not updating the info in a timely manner.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Quiet

You should also research if your county sheriff has CCW processing agreements with the city PDs within your county.

If your county SD has an agreement with your city PD, then you can be required to be processed by the city PD instead of the County SD. [PC 26150(c)]

If your city PD has an agreement with your county SD, then you can be required to be processed by the county SD instead of your city PD. [PC 26155(c)]



Penal Code 26150
(c)(1) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the sheriff of the county from entering into an agreement with the chief or other head of a municipal police department of a city to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, or amendments to licenses pursuant to this chapter, in lieu of the sheriff.
(2) This subdivision shall only apply to applicants who reside within the city in which the chief or other head of the municipal police department has agreed to process applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.

Penal Code 26155
(c) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city from entering an agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.

There isn't an agreement. The County website suggests that people apply with the local PD first, but doesn't require it.

I applied with the local PD several years ago and was denied for lack of good cause. They suggested that I try with the Contra Costa Sheriff. I applied in January, anticipating the Bruen decision, and when it was announced, I did the Lifescan. I've now had my interview and I'm waiting for a training/qualification date. I can only qualify with two guns. I want to apply with the local PD so I can have a permit that covers more.

I think I'm going to wait until I have my County CCW and then apply to the City. If for no other reason to see what pretzel logic they try to use to deny me.

[L84CABO]

Have you called your PD and asked if they would make an exception for 4 instead of 3? I mean, the worst they're going to say is, "no."

Also keep in mind that two years goes by VERY quickly. Aside from the cost, the process is a PITA IMO, and having to do it twice every two years would make me nuts. But YMMV.

[SG29736]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremey

Contra Costa only allows for 2. And they are picky. They don't allow 1911's. My local PD allows for 3, and they don't expressly prohibit 1911's.

I knew when I wrote this that I'd end up having to explain this several times. I want to be able to carry 4 guns.

Don't worry about why. Is there a statutory reason I can't? Because I can't think of one. Can you?

Are you saying that you want to be able to carry 4 guns at the same time? Or just have 4 guns to choose from to carry?

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by SG29736

Are you saying that you want to be able to carry 4 guns at the same time? Or just have 4 guns to choose from to carry?

Haha, no. I'm not going to carry 4 guns at once. Not even two.

I want to be able to choose 1 from 4 that I can carry.

[OldGeek]

There used to be a huge unwritten rule to getting a CCW permit. "Don't do anything that might embarrass the IA".

[gun toting monkeyboy]

I don't know if you CAN get more than one permit. I mean, I have never seen anything in any of the laws saying you can't get more than one here in the state. But I don't know if one agency would be willing to give you a separate one if they know you already have one from another agency in their immediate area.

I totally feel for you though. When I first got mine, I was limited to 3 guns on the permit. That was hours of deliberation on my part, and I ended up going with the most practical. They went to unlimited guns allowed on your permit a little while later, which made things a bit easier. I am up to 12 on my permit right now, and I have been considering adding a few more. The only down side is it takes most of the day to requalify.

-Mb

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by gun toting monkeyboy

I don't know if you CAN get more than one permit. I mean, I have never seen anything in any of the laws saying you can't get more than one here in the state. But I don't know if one agency would be willing to give you a separate one if they know you already have one from another agency in their immediate area.

I totally feel for you though. When I first got mine, I was limited to 3 guns on the permit. That was hours of deliberation on my part, and I ended up going with the most practical. They went to unlimited guns allowed on your permit a little while later, which made things a bit easier. I am up to 12 on my permit right now, and I have been considering adding a few more. The only down side is it takes most of the day to requalify.

-Mb

Interesting proposition. Let's say one has a business in Riverside County (easy issuance pre-Bruen) and lives in San Diego County (hard to get pre-Bruen). The rules say one can use their business address or their home address. Now, post-Bruen, couldn't said person theoretically get one in Riverside & San Diego? I would say no.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Interesting proposition. Let's say one has a business in Riverside County (easy issuance pre-Bruen) and lives in San Diego County (hard to get pre-Bruen). The rules say one can use their business address or their home address. Now, post-Bruen, couldn't said person theoretically get one in Riverside & San Diego? I would say no.

The business/employment non-resident permit is only valid in the county it is issued in and only valid for 90 days. In order to renew it, the issuing agency where the applicant resides in must also approve its renewal. [PC 26220(b)]

Post-NYSRPA v Bruen...
The business/employment requirement for the non-resident permit is no longer required.
However, the non-resident permit is still only valid for 90 days and only valid in the county it is issued in.



Penal Code 26220
(b) If the licensee’s place of employment or business was the basis for issuance of a license pursuant to Section 26150, the license is valid for any period of time not to exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued. The licensee shall give a copy of this license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides. The licensing authority that originally issued the license shall inform the licensee verbally and in writing in at least 16-point type of this obligation to give a copy of the license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county of residence. Any application to renew or extend the validity of, or reissue, the license may be granted only upon the concurrence of the licensing authority that originally issued the license and the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides.

[Quiet]

FWIW...

If I remember correctly, many (10+?) years ago, a Calgunner lived in the city of Taft within Kern County and had an issue with his CA CCW permit.

At the time, he had a valid CA CCW permit issued by the Kern County Sheriff Department and he wanted to add his BB AR pistol to his CA CCW permit.

The Kern County Sheriff Department would not approve it, so he talked with his friends at the Taft Police Department, who told him they would approve it.

He then applied for a CCW permit with Taft PD and they told him, they could not process his application until his current CCW permit expired or he surrendered it back to the Kern County SD to have it voided.

I believe he was told that CLETS-AFS would only allow a person to have one valid CA CCW permit linked to their personal file, because that's how it was programmed by CA DOJ.

So, he surrendered his Kern County SD issued CCW permit and proceeded with his application with Taft PD. He was approved by Taft PD and issued a CCW permit with his BB AR pistol listed on it.

He then posted pictures of his .300Blackout BB AR pistol with silencer in a 5.11 Select Carry Pack to show how he legally conceal carried it.
^He was a FFL/SOT, so he could legally own/possess silencers in CA.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Quiet

FWIW...

If I remember correctly, many (10+?) years ago, a Calgunner lived in the city of Taft within Kern County and had an issue with his CA CCW permit.

At the time, he had a valid CA CCW permit issued by the Kern County Sheriff Department and he wanted to add his BB AR pistol to his CA CCW permit.

The Kern County Sheriff Department would not approve it, so he talked with his friends at the Taft Police Department, who told him they would approve it.

He then applied for a CCW permit with Taft PD and they told him, they could not process his application until his current CCW permit expired or he surrendered it back to the Kern County SD to have it voided.

I believe he was told that CLETS-AFS would only allow a person to have one valid CA CCW permit linked to their personal file, because that's how it was programmed by CA DOJ.

So, he surrendered his Kern County SD issued CCW permit and proceeded with his application with Taft PD. He was approved by Taft PD and issued a CCW permit with his BB AR pistol listed on it.

He then posted pictures of his .300Blackout BB AR pistol with silencer in a 5.11 Select Carry Pack to show how he legally conceal carried it.
^He was a FFL/SOT, so he could legally own/possess silencers in CA.

Now that makes a lot of sense in a pre-Bruen world. But in a post-Bruen world? I'm not sure that "you already have one" is a valid argument. We'll soon find out. I have the CCW from the Sheriff's dept. As I posted above, I spent the money on the application process with the local PD when I thought the Sheriff was going to drag the process out for another year. So that was a sunk cost. Might as well follow the local PD process to its end.
So I got the call that it was approved. Background check done. Training done, etc. Come down and get it. I'd already told the Sgt. that I had one more gun to qualify with, and I asked him if I could still add it. "Sure" he says, "send me the certificate" and then come down and get your permit. Guy is very cool.
I should have an answer to this question in a couple of weeks.

[Ron Jeremey]

The answer is yes.

I now have one from Contra Costa County, and one from the City of Concord.

I'll probably just let the County one lapse in two years.

[JohnCCW]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremey

The answer is yes.

I now have one from Contra Costa County, and one from the City of Concord.

I'll probably just let the County one lapse in two years.

Yes- you are insane.


p.s.- I appreciated your video skills in my youth.

[vandal]

Wow! Thanks for pioneering that. I will have to call my city next week. They don't even publish their policy online so I don't know what they allow/limit.

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremey

The answer is yes.

I now have one from Contra Costa County, and one from the City of Concord.

I'll probably just let the County one lapse in two years.