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View Poll Results: Has Elder's entry into the race changed the math?
Elder insures/ensures a “Yes” on Question #1 & is my choice. 122 81.88%
Elder insures/ensures a “Yes” on Question #1, but Jenner is my choice. 0 0%
Elder doesn’t insure/ensure a “Yes” on Question #1 & there’s still no viable alternative. 3 2.01%
Elder brings nothing to the race, we’re likely to get a “No,” and Newsom will remain. 16 10.74%
Someone needs to put “Bacon” up as a candidate if we want Newsom gone. 8 5.37%
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We just had a two-page thread in OT on... Larry Elder has entered the recall race for Governor... where even Kestryll noted...

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I've followed Larry for years, he's a solid conservative leaning libertarian.

Barring someone better joining the race Larry is my pick.
As I have noted, the lack of a 'viable alternative' is an hindrance to getting the necessary "Yes" to Question #1... Should Newsom be recalled? Without that "Yes" vote, the rest is moot. With that "Yes," a single candidate among the 69 (plus) alternatives only need one more vote than any other candidate to take Office.

Has Elder's entry into the race changed the math? Are we now more likely to get the "Yes" on Question #1? Or, is the field still too crowded for a viable alternative to be 'seen' and, thus, reducing the chances of getting that vital "Yes" to Question #1? Remember, we're going to need millions more "Yes" votes than we had signatures on the Recall petition.

See Post #41: Judge rules that Elder will be on ballot.

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The question is, do we really want Newscum to get recalled?

I mean, I remember a significant portion of CG’ers content with Kamala going to DC to become a senator because she would have less of an impact on Ca.

Well, how’s that working out?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is recalled that shortly there after ChomoJoe gets 25th’ed and Newscum finds himself as VP.

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Newsom doesn't get recalled. We're screwed.
He gets recalled...he gets some DC appointment. We're screwed.
He gets to be VP under Harris. We're still screwed.

We're screwed. Sorry to be so optimistic!!!
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Harris and Newsom are both from California. Constitution says they have to come from two different states.
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I've followed Larry for years, he's a solid conservative leaning libertarian.

Barring someone better joining the race Larry is my pick.
I whole heartedly concur with Mr Kes's view.

Larry Elder has always been a man of integrity. Who believes our Constitution is a sacred document.
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Harris and Newsom are both from California. Constitution says they have to come from two different states.
Wouldn’t put it past those dem rat bastards to try...
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The question is, do we really want Newscum to get recalled?

I mean, I remember a significant portion of CG’ers content with Kamala going to DC to become a senator because she would have less of an impact on Ca.

Well, how’s that working out?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is recalled that shortly there after ChomoJoe gets 25th’ed and Newscum finds himself as VP.

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I remember it well. I didn't vote for Harris for Senate; but, as we saw, it didn't seem to help.

I'm not so much worried about Newsom becoming VP. I would be more worried about him being appointed to some position where he's not directly answerable to the voters, but can still very much work against us and rehabilitate his 'name' on the national level. Then again, once Aunt Nancy is 'out of the picture' (retired, no longer Speaker, etc.), I'm not sure how 'beloved' he is on the national level and, thus, how much assistance he might receive on that score.
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Larry Elder seems to be a fine man, and easily the best choice for our next governor.

Donate to his campaign as soon as possible, because the globalist corporations will be supporting Newsom with unlimited funds.

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The question is, do we really want Newscum to get recalled?

I mean, I remember a significant portion of CG’ers content with Kamala going to DC to become a senator because she would have less of an impact on Ca.

Well, how’s that working out?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is recalled that shortly there after ChomoJoe gets 25th’ed and Newscum finds himself as VP.

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I think there’s a big difference between getting voted up and getting voted out.

Kamala improved her resume nationally by becoming a senator but Gavin will be marked as a loser if he gets booted out by his own liberal state. Can you imagine the campaign ads and debates in a democrat primary against newsome?

I think it will be the end of his career.
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I think there’s a big difference between getting voted up and getting voted out.

Kamala improved her resume nationally by becoming a senator but Gavin will be marked as a loser if he gets booted out by his own liberal state. Can you imagine the campaign ads and debates in a democrat primary against newsome?

I think it will be the end of his career.

There is also a difference between winning an election and pumping in millions of fraudulent votes to “secure” an election.

To think anything would be a death nail in a demonrats political career in this current climate is… funny.


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Elder's entry makes "Yes" more likely because it will draw in new voters of color. There are Dems running, and the only way to ensure a plurality for a conservative win is to vote for JOHN COX, who has name rec from WINNING nomination by GOP in the last election.
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Cox lost, so it seems more sensible to back a different person.

Elder is a fresh face with solid views, and I think he has a much better chance to win. After all, according to Leftists anyone that refuses to vote for Larry Elder is a KKK supporting racist.
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Cox lost, so it seems more sensible to back a different person.

Elder is a fresh face with solid views, and I think he has a much better chance to win. After all, according to Leftists anyone that refuses to vote for Larry Elder is a KKK supporting racist.
In a normal election that may make sense, but this is not a normal election.

Only a plurality is required, and the way to win that kind of race is to excite grassroots conservatives. I'm a fan of Larry Elder and he's been around a long time, but i doubt his name rec equals that of JOHN COX, a proven winner who beat out all GOP competition to earn the nomination last time.

Jeepers, we have less than two months and that's not enough time to experiment with how the electorate responds to a face for radio, or a face too young to shave (Kiley).
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I met Larry decades ago. He is the real deal.
I have no problem voting for him.
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Newsom doesn't get recalled. We're screwed.
He gets recalled...he gets some DC appointment. We're screwed.
He gets to be VP under Harris. We're still screwed.

We're screwed. Sorry to be so optimistic!!!
So Kamala Harris, who dropped out of the Democrat primaries before they even started, and had a 3% support in Iowa despite heavy campaigning there, is now our next president?
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Harris and Newsom are both from California. Constitution says they have to come from two different states.
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Elder is easily the best candidate of the conservative group of candidates.

Cox has previously lost a statewide election.

The only sane thing to do is for all conservative candidates to drop off the ballot so Larry Elder can win.

Any other conservative that remains on the ballot (Cox included) will only dilute conservatives votes. I will never support any of these secondary, has been candidates in the future as they are guaranteeing a loss to a Marxist, and if they remain on the ballot Larry Elder’s chances to win will be greatly reduced.

We have a real chance to place a good man in the governors house, and selfish, washed up, low energy and low recognition Republicans are going to ruin our chances of victory. The mainstream Republican/Rino party is disgusting, and I have come to the realization that they don’t want to win. They are as much our enemy as the marxists.

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Already donated to Larry's campaign. I feel the best by far out of our choices.


I put a few bucks in his "tip jar" as well. Maybe more latter if he starts getting some more traction.

Go get 'em Larry - we've got a State to save..........
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There is also a difference between winning an election and pumping in millions of fraudulent votes to “secure” an election.

To think anything would be a death nail in a demonrats political career in this current climate is… funny.


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In that case it doesn’t matter who we run or even whether Newsome gets recalled or not.

If the dems are going to cheat this whole discussion is moot.
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In a normal election that may make sense, but this is not a normal election.

Only a plurality is required, and the way to win that kind of race is to excite grassroots conservatives. I'm a fan of Larry Elder and he's been around a long time, but i doubt his name rec equals that of JOHN COX, a proven winner who beat out all GOP competition to earn the nomination last time.

Jeepers, we have less than two months and that's not enough time to experiment with how the electorate responds to a face for radio, or a face too young to shave (Kiley).
John Cox is a proven winner in primaries but not in the general election. I think a lot of people will be open to a new name/face.
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In that case it doesn’t matter who we run or even whether Newsome gets recalled or not.

If the dems are going to cheat AGAIN, this whole discussion is moot.

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In a normal election that may make sense, but this is not a normal election.

Only a plurality is required, and the way to win that kind of race is to excite grassroots conservatives. I'm a fan of Larry Elder and he's been around a long time, but i doubt his name rec equals that of JOHN COX, a proven winner who beat out all GOP competition to earn the nomination last time.

Jeepers, we have less than two months and that's not enough time to experiment with how the electorate responds to a face for radio, or a face too young to shave (Kiley).
There is nothing compelling or exciting about John Cox. He's a symptom of how bad the CA GOP has gotten since it generally stopped being viable at the state level. I mean, I'd vote for him over Newsom, but since Newsom's not a contender, that's irrelevant. While anecdotal, I don't know anyone who has any kind of enthusiasm for him. Folks I know were holding their noses to vote for him last time. Some people had to be reminded of who he was.

Elder is a far better candidate ideologically, has a media outlet and substantial name recognition, plus recognition in other States that are important for fundraising purposes, and even the Leftists at the L.A. Times think that he might actually have a chance. I'll vote for him over Cox any day. It's not even a contest in my mind.
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The Dems will try to put him is some government post, maybe an ambassador or something like that. They know he’ll do their bidding, so they will try to keep him around somehow.
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While I support Larry Elder, I believe our best tactic is to make sure Newsom gets recalled and that only happens with 50% + 1 .

Hopefully the democrat field will fill up with candidates, as the more people running, the better chance Newsom gets recalled.
Remember the 1st question is, should he be recalled.
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...I believe our best tactic is to make sure Newsom gets recalled and that only happens with 50% + 1 ...
It's certainly a NECESSARY outcome.

But, as I noted in the OP and elsewhere, the lack of a 'viable alternative' is an hindrance to getting the necessary "Yes" to Question #1... Should Newsom be recalled?

Without a viable alternative, there will be many who simply don't vote (either on Question #1 or both) or will vote "No," figuring "the Devil you know" is a more 'viable' solution than "taking a chance" on the uncertainty of who among the 69+ alternatives might 'win.'

This is why I'm asking if Elder changes the 'math;' i.e., provides that viable alternative we've been looking for. As we can see from just the above posts, support for Cox is, at best, divided. For those who would object, remember that California has a 'jungle primary' system where the 'top two' vote recipients end up being the eventual candidates and, even there, while Cox managed to take 'second' in the primaries, he was simply more viable than the rest of the alternatives; but, was a far cry from being considered a 'viable alternative' to Newsom.

In 2018, there were really only two legitimate Republican options for Governor, Cox and Allen. Combined, in the primary, they garnered a total of 2,425,286 votes; Cox getting 1,766,488 and Allen coming in with 658,798, or about 1/3 of Cox's total. Newsom, all by himself, received 2,343,792 votes in the primary. In the election, Newsom received 7,721,410 while Cox managed 4,742,825.

Has anything changed since then? While many voters are upset, disappointed, and/or fed up with Newsom, do they represent enough of the Newsom voting block to elevate Cox or are they simply seeking a more viable alternative and don't necessarily see Cox as anymore viable than they did in 2018?

That would appear to be the motivation for Elder. It's not just about getting the 'most' votes in Question #2. It's about getting to Question #2 in the first place... Larry Elder talks politics on the radio. Can he get votes in the California recall election?

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And unless more than 50% of voters choose to recall Newsom, it doesn’t matter which candidate gets the most votes on question two.

Elder contends he has the gravitas and ideas that will draw in voters across the political spectrum – despite his lack of elected experience...
In short, his basic campaign approach is "we need to recall Newsom" and, to me, that suggests his mindset is that a 'viable alternative' was still lacking. Adding his name is/was an attempt to 'get out the vote' against Newsom. Hopefully, he firms up his platform quickly and can come up with a viable strategy for not only dealing with a Democrat supermajority in the State Legislature, but a 'supermajority' of Democrat voters in the State.
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Gray Davis has “disappeared” after his humiliating recall. If the recall is successful, Newsome will hopefully disappear as well to his billionaire lifestyle in Napa Valley or wherever…
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The question is, do we really want Newscum to get recalled?

I mean, I remember a significant portion of CG’ers content with Kamala going to DC to become a senator because she would have less of an impact on Ca.

Well, how’s that working out?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is recalled that shortly there after ChomoJoe gets 25th’ed and Newscum finds himself as VP.

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He can’t “find himself the VP”…….our order of succession doesn’t allow for someone to just find themselves to become VP.

As far as Larry Elder as soon as I heard he may jump in….he had my vote. I’ve been listening to him for a long time.
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If it’s a race between Elder and Newski then Elder has not a chance in CA as much as the calguns echo chamber wants him the numbers are not there. Better 20-30-40 candidates or whatever trying all to get that YES on the recall vote then, if I’m not mistaken, it’s the two highest vote getters - both Republicans to replace. Gotta get 50% plus one on the recall and more candidates will help that not hurt. Hope Elder is one and I think he would be.


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Elder is easily the best candidate of the conservative group of candidates.

Cox has previously lost a statewide election.

The only sane thing to do is for all conservative candidates to drop off the ballot so Larry Elder can win.

Any other conservative that remains on the ballot (Cox included) will only dilute conservatives votes. I will never support any of these secondary, has been candidates in the future as they are guaranteeing a loss to a Marxist, and if they remain on the ballot Larry Elder’s chances to win will be greatly reduced.

We have a real chance to place a good man in the governors house, and selfish, washed up, low energy and low recognition Republicans are going to ruin our chances of victory. The mainstream Republican/Rino party is disgusting, and I have come to the realization that they don’t want to win. They are as much our enemy as the marxists.

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Gray Davis has “disappeared” after his humiliating recall. If the recall is successful, Newsome will hopefully disappear as well to his billionaire lifestyle in Napa Valley or wherever…
That's what many hope. Others appear to wish for more Draconian outcomes.

One way or the other, however, he won't disappear to a "billionaire" lifestyle, at least not immediately. Supposedly, he's only worth $20 million. (A second source agrees with that number and both sources cite 2021 as the last update.)

Then there's a third source, from less than a week ago, claiming he has a $22 million net worth.

His Aunt Nancy is a bit more circumspect and opaque. According to USA Today back in March...

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...The center has not released a report yet on 2019 filings, but a USA TODAY review of Pelosi’s report filed in August 2020 shows that, on the low end, Pelosi could be nearly $40 million in the hole. Her maximum net wealth could be as much as about $251 million...

While assets listed on the form total between $57 million and $271 million, liabilities range from $20 million to $97 million. Liabilities include multimillion-dollar mortgages on several properties and equity credit lines...

Using the Center for Responsive Politics method of averaging the two leaves a net worth of about $106 million...
Yet another source declares her net worth at $120 million as of June 2021.

But, hey. For Democrats, a +/- of $2 - $20 million is pretty much dead on accurate... right? C'mon man. They're just like the rest of us.

Any way you slice it, their "billionaire lifestyle" will have to be financed by someone else. Now... Which billionaire is contributing the most to the cause? A lot of homeless out there and, if Gavin is kicked out of the Governor's mansion, we wouldn't want him to be one of them. That would be... embarrassing.
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Well... Here we go... He's definitely changed the math... California Recall Candidates Dispute Parts of Official List

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The official list of who's running in California's recall election of Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom remained unsettled Sunday, with conservative talk radio host Larry Elder maintaining he should be included and state officials giving no details as to why he wasn't.

Secretary of State spokeswoman Jenna Dresner said all candidates who didn't qualify were told why, but a spokesperson for Elder's campaign said they did not receive any notification. The spokesperson, Ying Ma, said Elder submitted voter signatures from three counties and the campaign assumed the state hadn't finished adding them together. Candidates must pay a nearly $4,200 filing fee or submit 7,000 signatures.

Though Ma said the campaign expected the issue to be resolved Monday, Dresner said “any changes to the list at this point would be through court order."...

The list includes 21 Republicans, eight Democrats, one Libertarian, nine independents and two Green Party members. Ballots will start going on next month in the mail, and the official election date is Sept. 14...
Here's the list released by the California Secretary of State.

So... We've gone from a list of 69 ostensibly 'declared candidates' to an 'Official list' of 41, where several 'names' are missing with no explanation.

According to Ballotpedia...

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...The filing deadline for candidates to run in this election was July 16, 2021. As of July 15, 77 individuals had filed to run in the recall election...
According to the Secretary of State's release: "A Certified List of Candidates will be available on July 21, 2021."

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I hate to go "realpolitik", but for all his great ideas Elder will not be able to get anything past the legislature.
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The problem is the commycrats will have 1 candidate on the ballot. The dumba-- republicans will have several and split the vote assuring the strangle hold on CA continues.
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I hate to go "realpolitik", but for all his great ideas Elder will not be able to get anything past the legislature.
Whether he does or doesn't get legislation passed. Is a non starter.

Just being in the position to "hopefully" stop most of the worthless wasteful crap that passes in Ca would be a major plus for the Good Citizens of Ca.

I say "hopefully" because of the DimRat Super Majority veto likelihood.
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The problem is the commycrats will have 1 candidate on the ballot. The dumba-- republicans will have several and split the vote assuring the strangle hold on CA continues.
Once again... There is only ONE 'candidate,' period, related to Question #1 - Should Newsom be recalled?

If the answer is "No," the rest is moot. If the answer is "Yes," Newsom is done and it goes to Question #2 - Which of the following...?

Currently, as per the Secretary of State in California, there are 41 'official' candidates to be listed under Question #2. (Elder is claiming to have dotted all the "I's" and crossed all the "T's," having turned everything in on time and 'threatening' to see them in court if he's not on the ballot.) The certified list is supposed to be released on Wednesday, 21 July.

It does not take a majority to win at that point. All that any of those candidates need to do is get one more vote than any of the others. As Ballotpedia explains it...

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The recall election will present voters with two questions. The first will ask whether Newsom should be recalled from the office of governor. The second will ask who should succeed Newsom if he is recalled. A majority vote is required on the first question for the governor to be recalled. The candidate with the most votes on the second question would win the election, no majority required. In the 2003 recall of Davis, 135 candidates ran and the winner received 48.58 percent of the vote.
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Voters will be asked two questions: Do they want to recall Newsom, yes or no? And, if more than 50% of voters say “yes,” who should replace him?

This is where things get strange. There’s no limit on the number of candidates who can run to replace an official on a recall ballot. And whoever gets the most votes wins — even without a majority. So it’s entirely possible that someone could be elected in a recall while winning less than half the votes. That’s what happened in 2003, when then-Gov. Gray Davis was recalled by 55% of voters. More than 100 people ran to replace him, carving up the votes and allowing action movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger to win with 48.6% support.
As was noted in Post #32, there's more than one "non-Republican" listed under Question #2...

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The list includes 21 Republicans, eight Democrats, one Libertarian, nine independents and two Green Party members. Ballots will start going on next month in the mail, and the official election date is Sept. 14...
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Its apparent Larry Elder is the greatest threat to the swamp yet seen !
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lar...ndidate-roster

Larry is not listed as candidate !
Apparently the democrat party does not want a proud Black Man running for governor in their lilly white state government.

Larry said, regarding his omission from the ballot . " I will see you in court "...

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Larry Elder Threatens Lawsuit Over Allegation He Didn't Qualify as Gubernatorial Candidate

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...California Secretary of State Dr. Shirley Weber and her "candidate filing and election night reporting team" said Elder didn't qualify due to "Incomplete redacted and/or unredacted income tax returns that were filed."

Outraged, Elder said no one has ever been disqualified for such a reason and declared he's prepared to go to court over the matter.

"Never has anybody been disqualified from a ballot here in California for a reason like that," Elder tweeted on Monday, noting a new law that was passed by the supermajority Democrat legislature to force Trump to turn over his tax returns to get on the 2020 ballot. Elder, who is also an attorney, said the California Supreme Court struck that law down unanimously for presidential races but let it stand for gubernatorial elections.

"The Secretary of State is either saying that we did not redact sufficient info on my returns, or we redacted info that should not have been redacted. We're trying to ascertain the details," Elder said, noting his campaign carefully submitted over 200 pages of five years of tax returns...
Just imagine if a conservative governor were being recalled, with a conservative supermajority in the state legislature and a minority, Left-Wing candidate were being excluded under a 'new' law specifically targeted at Left-Wing candidates.

What do you think the media's reaction would be?
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So if you vote no to recall do you still get to vote for a replacement?
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If he submitted tax returns, but they were simply not to the liking of the Secretary merely under subjective viewpoints, I would think the "submission" requirement itself was met and he has a good case for his inclusion as a candidate to stand.

I suspect a court/judge would agree, and he would have grounds to seek an injunction against the recall/election process until the matter of his qualification to be listed as a candidate or not is resolved.
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