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Old 09-10-2019, 2:27 PM
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Default Smith & Wesson 625JM in 45ACP

I was just wondering if anyone here has any experience with the Smith & Wesson 625JM in 45ACP. If so, what do you like about it and what don't you like about it?

I am thinking of adding a revolver (my first revolver) to my handgun collection and, it would be nice to not have to add another caliber.
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Old 09-10-2019, 2:50 PM
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I don't have a 625JM, but do have a 25-2. There is nothing I dislike about it.

I guess some people don't like dealing with moon clips, but they are the perfect speed loader.
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I don't have a 625JM, but do have a 25-2. There is nothing I dislike about it.

I guess some people don't like dealing with moon clips, but they are the perfect speed loader.
Excellent! Great to know. It just seems to be calling my name.
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Old 09-10-2019, 3:14 PM
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I chose the 625 PC. It is my favorite large caliber handgun. I shoot a lot of 45 auto rim in it. I would say 50% 45acp and 50% 45autorim.
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Hated the micro-smooth-wood-grip and swapped it out for a cheapie Hogue. Love it otherwise.
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If you end up buying one and want some rubber n frame hogues new in box I’ll just mail em to ya.
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I have the 625JM. It is a -8 model.

I have a problem loading and unloading the spring steel moon clips. Even bought a tool to make it easier. Then I found plastic clips. Much easier to use.

I bought it because I wanted a .45ACP wheel gun.

I have not shot it that much but it was fun.
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If you end up buying one and want some rubber n frame hogues new in box Iíll just mail em to ya.
Wow! Thank you very much; that is very generous. I am hoping my range has one that I can rent to try it out. If not, I may still buy it. It seems like it would be a great addition.
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Old 09-10-2019, 3:54 PM
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I have the 625JM. It is a -8 model.

I have a problem loading and unloading the spring steel moon clips. Even bought a tool to make it easier. Then I found plastic clips. Much easier to use.

I bought it because I wanted a .45ACP wheel gun.

I have not shot it that much but it was fun.
Good to know. Yes, I too want a 45ACP wheel gun.
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Old 09-10-2019, 4:10 PM
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I have a 625JM. I really like it. Grips fit me and it's comfortable to shoot. The gold bead front sight stands out well for me. Buy lots of moon clips and a loading tool. Have all your clips ready to go before shooting. It can be a drag sitting there loading clips while you could be shooting.
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I have one. The serrated trigger makes my finger bleed after 250-300 rounds. Aside from that I like it a lot. One of these days I'll put a smooth trigger on it like my 929 has.

Get the BMT mooner tool. It's like $100 but TOTALLY worth it if you are going to get a gun that uses moon clips.


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I have the 625JM. It is a -8 model.

I have a problem loading and unloading the spring steel moon clips. Even bought a tool to make it easier. Then I found plastic clips. Much easier to use.

I bought it because I wanted a .45ACP wheel gun.

I have not shot it that much but it was fun.
This.

Buy the plastic clips. Much cheaper and far easier to load/unload. You don't need a tool - just your fingers. If you damage one (unlikely) you can afford to just toss it.
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This.

Buy the plastic clips. Much cheaper and far easier to load/unload. You don't need a tool - just your fingers. If you damage one (unlikely) you can afford to just toss it.
Great tip!
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I didn't like the plastic clips, the metal ones worked out much better for me at least.
It's a great revolver and a lot of fun to shoot. I too opted for a better grip, I guess when you have a gorilla grip like JM, smooth doesn't matter, he can hang onto anything.
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I have a 625 PC.

You'll want to replace the grips with something more comfortable, I personally like the big rubber grip that they make for N Frames. I got it to shoot a wheel gun in competition, and I thought the moonclips would be better than speed loaders even though you have to make a higher power factor. Also, at the time the S&W 610 was not currently in production. I also spent the big bucks on the TK clips, and you'll also want to buy the tool made by BMT. It's expensive IMHO, but worth every penny.

I wish the PC model had the full length ejector rod like the standard JM does, I hear they just shoot a little softer if they do. I did some trigger work on mine, and got the DA down to about 7#s IIRC, but it only wants Federal Primers now. It can do the Large ones without issue, but anything harder, and you risk misfires.

All in all, it's a good gun and I'd buy it again under the same conditions, but today I'd probably go with the 610 since I'd rather shoot .40

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There are two 625s on the roster: PC and JM. I bought JM because I was going to have it worked on - it has DA only hammer, different grips, new springs and a red dot. Great revolvers, you can't go wrong with either one.
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Old 09-10-2019, 8:29 PM
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Get the BMT mooner tool. It's like $100 but TOTALLY worth it if you are going to get a gun that uses moon clips.
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I also spent the big bucks on the TK clips, and you'll also want to buy the tool made by BMT. It's expensive IMHO, but worth every penny.
A word of caution on BMT Mooner - it's a great tool IF you are NOT using tight fit moonclips. It managed to damage one of my 0.040 TKC stainless moonclips for 929 because I have been applying extra force and didn't sense when it was too much. It was likely slightly misaligned as I tried to spin it hard. Now I use my standard moonclip tool for inserting rounds and it works quite fast. I'll use BMT on economy and thinner moonclips.

For demooning it works really great and I still use it. Again, for tight mooclips it requires some force because two rounds are pushed out of the moonclip at the same time, but at least it won't damage the clip and it's much faster than doing it one at a time.
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Then I found plastic clips. Much easier to use.
For range fun they work great. That's what they are designed for.

However, if you want to compete or reload on the clock, you'll need proper steel ones. You need just the right amount of wiggle and you need the clips to be able to take quite a bit of abuse. Plastic won't cut it in such a case.
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I have the 625JM, procured as like new from another CalGunner. It came with a boatload of plastic moon clips and those are all I have used. They work great, and I like having a bunch of them bc I can preload them before a range trip. I have not used the metal moon clips. The plastic clips will allow the occasional round to slip out if roughly handled, but that is not a concern for me.

I don't use the wood grips. I use some rubber after markets.

The gun is a blast to shoot, esp at a steel dueling tree. If I take on my buddy and his 1911, he loads six too just to keep it fair on capacity. The gold bead is easy to acquire and the gun points well, at least for me. Trigger is good and gets better the more I cycle it. I have not done the spring job that Jerry shows on YouTube, but maybe in the future I will.

IME, the 625JM is accurate and easy to shoot. I love mine. Nothing I don't like except the factory grips.

Good luck with your choice.
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I have a 625 JM and also changed out the grips the day I brought it home (Hogue). Iíve only used the metal clips and donít find them hard to load by hand. To remove the empties, there is a little tool called a Demooner, and it works great.

I changed the mainspring looking for a lighter DA pull and starting getting occasional FTFs. I then installed an extended firing pin which came with a reduced power firing pin return spring and the gun is 100% reliable with a sub 8lb DA trigger.

If I had to say something negative, Iíd say those N frames are big suckers. The gun is top heavy compared to something perfect like a 686. Very fun to shoot though. It makes big holes and is very quick to reload.


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Happy with a stock pc. Iím going to use it in carbine class for transitions
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I had a first generation 625. It came with horrible, ugly, uncomfortable Pachmayr rubber grips. I never shot mine. The word I heard from other owners is inconsistent ignition because of moon clips "springing" and soaking up firing pin energy. You have to be very careful not to bend the clips. In the end the only thing I could think of to use it for is revolver class in bowling pin matches, which don't even exist any more.
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I absolutely love mine. I bought 625 JM, and liked it enough to buy 625 PC too. I did not liked the grips on either of them, so I replaced them with X-frame Hogue grips, much better feel and fit for me.

I also bought BMT tool to load and unload moon clips. I use Revolver Supply Co. moon clips only, never had any issues with them.

I plan to convert both 625 to DA only, because I only shoot them in DA mode. I have Evolution IV N-Frame Hammer from Apex. I just have not got around to convert them yet.


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I've had a 625 JM for many years that I shot tens of thousands of rounds through in IDPA competitions and practice.

The smooth grip is better for draw and combat shooting. Mine has custom grips that I made out of a set of aftermarket stock grips with a wood rasp and sandpaper.

ACP cartridges with moon clips load much faster than old rimmed cartridges. Short fat wiggly cartridges are easier.

BUTT - I'd get a 38/357 for my first revolver a combat gun in 4" (686 SSR) or distance gun in 6".

If you really want to learn the gun shoot matches. IDPA, ICORE, USPSA or Bullseye really doesn't matter. The upside to revolvers is there are fewer things to go wrong in a match and you use less ammo -- because you hate to reload.
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Revolvers shooting rimless cartridges such as 9mm (S&W 929), .40 (S&W 610) and 45 ACP (S&W 625) cannot extract rounds by using the traditional star that pushes on the rim - there is no rim. Instead, rounds are put into metal "clips" that hold all the rounds by the extraction groove and allow not only extraction of the spent casings, but also very fast reloads because all the rounds are inserted at once.

It's like a magazine, but for revolvers. Here is a link to TKC moonclips page.

As a side issue, there are designs that don't require moonclips for rimless cartridges, such as S&W 547 (Here is Hickok45 with one)
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I got a 625JM for IDPA competition from another competitor who had to give up shooting. He had cleaned up the action a bit and the cylinder spun cleanly, so all I did was replace the hammer with the Apex Tactical Specialties Evolution IV, extended FP, and springs.

The only thing that irritated me was the gold bead front sight, but that was easily changed to a Dawson F/O.

He'd been shooting it with Hogue rubber grips and couldn't find the original JM wood ones. I had a set of JM laminated grips and put them on...big mistake; they worn a hot spot in my thumb. The solid wood JM grips on my L-frame were perfect.

The JM style stocks are a love them/hate them kind of thing. The index better and allow faster reloads (if you switch hands while reloading), but many people find them too thin and slippery...it caters to a different technique. (if any of you who are unhappy with your JM stocks want to let them go for a reasonable price, let me know. I'm in the Sacto area)

I highly recommend the metal moonclips over the plastic ones if you are even thinking about shooting in competition...they are more secure and reliable for reloading. TKC>RS>OEM...but the RS ones are more than adequate...I started out with 50.

The BMT moonclip loader is a spendy but great addition. You'll still want to have a single case unloading tool for when you just need to remove one case
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I've got an early 625JM and a 25-2. I love the gold bead sight on the JM, and the extra sight radius on the 25-2. The JM developed push-off in one of the MIM parts early in it's life, so it is DAO. The DA trigger on the JM is soooo good that I am reluctant to send it back to S&W.

I put the rubber grips on the JM, but I don't recall why.

BMT Mooner is the way to go. The plastic clips occasionally allow a light strike on my primers. Never had a problem with steel moons.
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I have the 625-8 PC. I swore I'd never have a post '97 S&W but the price was too good to pass up.

What I like: The caliber, moon clips, smooth surface PC trigger, PC hammer, gold dot front sight, no full lug, chamfered chambers.

Don't like: The lock, the stocks, round butt frame. Did away with the lock & installed The Plug, Changed stocks with RB/SB conversion stocks.
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