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Old 06-26-2019, 8:40 AM
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We have one Thordsen gen1 on a 6.5 Grendel, the rest have hammerheads. Like them both. The Thordsen feels a bit better, but the HHs feel good enough, and weigh less.

Also want to honorably mention the Sparrow. Used one when converting a friend's rifle to featureless. In between the Thordsen and the HH as far as feel and handling, and about the same weight as the HH. Its a toss-up between the Thordsen and the Sparrow for the next build.
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Here's another vote for the Ares/Fightlite SCR lower (and your current upper etc)...

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American ingenuity exists all around you, but it will never be that cheap due to labor costs and no government manufacturing subsidies. A2 grips are made and sold in the millions which means the price can be low due to economies of scale. Featureless grips made in America are made in smaller batches, yet the mold tooling cost is very high, hence the higher cost per grip.

I totally understand the difficulty in spending money to comply with CA regulations (and especially the extra cost to convert many rifles), but I still TRY to avoid shipping my money to communist China. I really want to encourage others to TRY this more often (not all the time, just more often than they do now). American manufacturers have been closing or struggling over the last two decades due to shoppers typically only shopping on price and there is just no way to compete with China on price. If every American bought USA made products just a few more times per year (even if it costs more), our economy would skyrocket. Americans are not aware of the power we have to make a massive impact on our own economy and are instead helping another country’s manufacturing economy to outgrow our own without realizing it.

https://www.sparrowdynamics.com/Buy-American-s/107.htm
If it makes you feel any better, I cant think of anything else I buy thats made in China besides those cheap grips. In general most if not ALL my firearm related purchases are made in USA. Other consumer items I buy are made in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Bangladesh, the Phillippines, Vietnam, Singapore, Mexico... everywhere. And Im sure you do too, even if your not aware of it. I doubt China is winning the trade war by selling more featureless AR15 grips than American manufacturers. I think they are winning selling electronics(Apple products anyone? Not me), shoes, clothing, steel, etc...

You dont have to lecture me about buying made in USA, I do most if not all the time. I drive a Chevy Tahoe and a Toyota that were both made in the USA. And the price difference is not really that big for a lot of things. But when it comes to cheap stuff like a basic plastic grip, $10 vs $35 is a big difference. I guess the Chicoms win in that situation. China really doesnt make that many firearms related things of decent quality to buy. $100 Red dot sights are about it. Stuff like iron sights, barrels, bcgs, receivers, rails, mags, ammo and parts kits are very easy to source from American manufacturers. I dont even think China makes some of this stuff like ammo for the American market.

At least Strike Industries is able to offer a $10 featureless grip made in Taiwan. Thats better than Communist China. Thats my second favorite grip besides the Vagparca. Sorry man. I just can spend more than $10-$20 on a grip and Im not going to feel guilty about it. I'll save the guilt trip for when Im deciding between buying shoes made in China or Vietnam, LOL.
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1 - Sparrow Dynamics - I like the wrap around thumb feature. Well built. Feels like an OEM product.

2- Featureless Arms/MonsterMan grip: Featureless Arms feels a little less sturdy but still comfortable. Wrap around thumb is nice. Front part is the same angle as a standard grip. Little big for my hands but if you have bigger hands, this might be the one for you. The Monsterman is great if you are bench shooting. Also super sturdy. Only downside is that you can't wrap thumb around.

4 - Exile Machine Hammerhead. Awesome because they were the first ones to offer a wraparound. Other grips just ended up offering better ergos.

5. Resurgent Arms - I really wanted to like this one but it has a palm swell which totally is in the wrong place for my hands and the front edge of the swell actually digs into my palm. It is pretty uncomfortable.

I have all the above (I was switching grips a lot at one point).

I also have a SCR and I like it as well. Comfortable to shoot. The only thing that I don't like is the reach to the mag release (easily corrected with an ambi mag release. I use one from a sig M400) and some of the non standard parts. If I only had one rifle, I would pronbably rock the Sparrow and enjoy having standard parts for the rest of the gun.
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Totally, that was a great idea to adapt a fin to the Magpul MIAD. This would be something cool to injection mold instead of 3D print. Maybe we’ll do that if things don’t go awry for featureless in CA this year.
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If it makes you feel any better, I cant think of anything else I buy thats made in China besides those cheap grips. In general most if not ALL my firearm related purchases are made in USA. Other consumer items I buy are made in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Bangladesh, the Phillippines, Vietnam, Singapore, Mexico... everywhere. And Im sure you do too, even if your not aware of it. I doubt China is winning the trade war by selling more featureless AR15 grips than American manufacturers. I think they are winning selling electronics(Apple products anyone? Not me), shoes, clothing, steel, etc...

You dont have to lecture me about buying made in USA, I do most if not all the time. I drive a Chevy Tahoe and a Toyota that were both made in the USA. And the price difference is not really that big for a lot of things. But when it comes to cheap stuff like a basic plastic grip, $10 vs $35 is a big difference. I guess the Chicoms win in that situation. China really doesnt make that many firearms related things of decent quality to buy. $100 Red dot sights are about it. Stuff like iron sights, barrels, bcgs, receivers, rails, mags, ammo and parts kits are very easy to source from American manufacturers. I dont even think China makes some of this stuff like ammo for the American market.

At least Strike Industries is able to offer a $10 featureless grip made in Taiwan. Thats better than Communist China. Thats my second favorite grip besides the Vagparca. Sorry man. I just can spend more than $10-$20 on a grip and Im not going to feel guilty about it. I'll save the guilt trip for when Im deciding between buying shoes made in China or Vietnam, LOL.
Not at all meant to be a guilt trip brother. I’m glad you are already aware of your purchases and buy US made goods when it makes sense to you. I just try to encourage more people to do the same. Many people only look at price and never consider where their dollar is going. American’s can really have a big impact if they at least look at the tag and buy American more often. P.S. some of my most comfortable and longest lasting shoes were made here, so it is possible and economical to buy US even when it doesn’t seem like it.
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Another vote for the Sparrow grip and their ambi safety. I have converted each of mine to featureless using these.
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I know it's not a popular option, but I like the Hera CQR. For some reason the ergonomics just work for me.
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What do you guys recommend for the ACE Ultralight and Skeleton stocks? https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...prod78288.aspx I really like this stock, but it has a piece that extends the back of the receiver about 1/2" and digs into the web of your hand using the Resurgent Arms grip. Really ruins the ergonomics. I've even tried dremeling it but still hasn't fixed it. I assume the sparrow grip would have a similar issue. Would use thordsen but want something lightweight.
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Not at all meant to be a guilt trip brother. I’m glad you are already aware of your purchases and buy US made goods when it makes sense to you. I just try to encourage more people to do the same. Many people only look at price and never consider where their dollar is going. American’s can really have a big impact if they at least look at the tag and buy American more often. P.S. some of my most comfortable and longest lasting shoes were made here, so it is possible and economical to buy US even when it doesn’t seem like it.
I do think your grip is superior to all other featureless grips.
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I have both the Sparrow Dynamics and the Exile Machine Hammerhead. The Hammerhead fits my hand better, the Sparrow Dynamics is prettier. Buy both!
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If we could get one that looks like the Strike Industries Simple Grip with a thumb rest in a Right & Left version that would be awesome. I just don't like the swept back versions, they look funky on the AR.
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Totally, that was a great idea to adapt a fin to the Magpul MIAD. This would be something cool to injection mold instead of 3D print. Maybe we’ll do that if things don’t go awry for featureless in CA this year.
That would be cool! How much $ per fin? I always thought the 3D print fin kind of over priced and seems fragile, but the MIAD with fin is my favorite of fin grips.
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That would be cool! How much $ per fin? I always thought the 3D print fin kind of over priced and seems fragile, but the MIAD with fin is my favorite of fin grips.
I agree. I think he has enough interest in this thread to start on a prototype! Let’s do it!
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If we could get one that looks like the Strike Industries Simple Grip with a thumb rest in a Right & Left version that would be awesome. I just don't like the swept back versions, they look funky on the AR.
This would be awesome.
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I would skip this whole "featureless" craze. For the purposes of doing high speed operator stuff, I need the real deal pistol grips. Since the O.G. type setup obligates a locked up gun with no detachable clip and fixated to the gun for 10 shots (and one in the port so 11 lol), it makes me to focus more to making my hits count to the target. It is almost like a fing shoei zen thing that makes the rifle melt into one with the shoter for better targeting. If I am in "da zone" that salsa sharkfin contrapion throws water on my zenn and is no good.

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I would skip this whole "featureless" craze. For the purposes of doing high speed operator stuff, I need the real deal pistol grips. Since the O.G. type setup obligates a locked up gun with no detachable clip and fixated to the gun for 10 shots (and one in the port so 11 lol), it makes me to focus more to making my hits count to the target. It is almost like a fing shoei zen thing that makes the rifle melt into one with the shoter for better targeting. If I am in "da zone" that salsa sharkfin contrapion throws water on my zenn and is no good.

And FYIY n o nocks to the people who like the fin gripps, whatever works for you'all. It just isnt what is neededd for what we call "serious work" at least among the teams.
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I would skip this whole "featureless" craze. For the purposes of doing high speed operator stuff, I need the real deal pistol grips. Since the O.G. type setup obligates a locked up gun with no detachable clip and fixated to the gun for 10 shots (and one in the port so 11 lol), it makes me to focus more to making my hits count to the target. It is almost like a fing shoei zen thing that makes the rifle melt into one with the shoter for better targeting. If I am in "da zone" that salsa sharkfin contrapion throws water on my zenn and is no good.

And FYIY n o nocks to the people who like the fin gripps, whatever works for you'all. It just isnt what is neededd for what we call "serious work" at least among the teams.
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I was gonna throw out a wity comment that when I want feature-less, I go to my M1 Grand. But I guess it is D-Q from this threadsince it dont have detatchible clip/ but that 3006 put a whuppin o some soory weak 5.5.6 round anyday bruh
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here is a picture of mine.
i don't actually know for sure if it is an Exile (no markings other than magpul) but i am guessing based on the shape of the fin.
Yeah that's a Exile. Here's a pic of my AR thumb grip with a Strike industries simple grip and a Sparrow ambi safety.

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I was gonna throw out a wity comment that when I want feature-less, I go to my M1 Grand. But I guess it is D-Q from this threadsince it dont have detatchible clip/ but that 3006 put a whuppin o some soory weak 5.5.6 round anyday bruh
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I just received my grip from munkeeboi for my Yugo M70 that I have a Hogue grip on and I must say, it is sweet. He must have the kydex touch when doing these grips.
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Most of the cool kids coming up that I talk to really want to get their first sweet looking rifle and only care about it looking cool. That's it. Anything that detracts from looking cool reviles them. They could give a rat's butt if the mag detaches and they could possibly have a normal mag. They puke on Thordo's and laugh at SCR's. But they will probably never have the money for that PSA they want. Can't hold down a job because they hate the way it cuts into having a life.
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Matter of choice but the fin grip is like $20.00 verse some of the others
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Matter of choice but the fin grip is like $20.00 verse some of the others
That vag grip has a horrible name, but it is the cheapest good option I have seen. Biden says China is harmless nice folks, so no worries. $9.95 shipped on Ebay.
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That vag grip has a horrible name, but it is the cheapest good option I have seen. Biden says China is harmless nice folks, so no worries. $9.95 shipped on Ebay.
The "vagina" grip is aptly named given the CA politicians that came up with the laws that require it. Yup, my AR has a "vagina" grip. But its merely a place holder to maintain compliance. In a real SHTF situation a standard $6 A2 grip can be installed pretty quickly.
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The "vagina" grip is aptly named given the CA politicians that came up with the laws that require it. Yup, my AR has a "vagina" grip. But its merely a place holder to maintain compliance. In a real SHTF situation a standard $6 A2 grip can be installed pretty quickly.
I have one installed in place of a MIAD/Backfin combo on a PA-10 where the Backfin nylon "spring" gave up and dropped out somewhere, lost. I actually tried to order a replacement but Exile was gone. I guess I will take that perfectly good MIAD and JBweld the Backfin in place for future use. It might go back on the PA-10 if the VISM VAGPARCAM2 doesn't work out. Exile got the shape right on theirs. The VISM isn't bad at all though - even has a compartment and they are ambi.
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Where do you get a AR thumb grip?
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Pretty happy with my Strike Industries Megafin and Battle Arms Ambi-Safety. Is it perfect? No. I also have the Strike Industries Viper, which has spacers to adjust the length a few inches as needed. I added an Ambi-Safety by Battle Arms with a "short crank" lever on the right side that my thumb can grab and throw up or down for Fire/Safe. I mounted the short lever on the right 180 degrees opposite from the left side lever so that it moves out of the way to fire.

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With Short Crank, thumb can "grab" the nub to push it up to fire. This moves it out of the way and to put it on safe, you push it back down with the thumb pad.
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Not sure if trolling but a Sparrow Dynamics, or similar, would be ideal. Thordson Gen II too, actually. Ugly s.o.b. but extremely functional. Fin grips are a 'no go,' for me, on a defensive rifle.
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The best featureless grip - how do I answer that

The best featureless grip is the one on the shelf that you don't buy
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Old 06-28-2019, 1:40 PM
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Where do you get a AR thumb grip?
I recently started manufacturing them. If you or anyone else here wants a free sample to test out let me know. I set a few aside for calgunners to test out.
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One more vote for the sparrow.




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anyone try the boar grip or buffalo grip?
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Echoing sparrow dynamics with their ambi safety (that’s a must if you’re buying the grip).
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:37 AM
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Totally, that was a great idea to adapt a fin to the Magpul MIAD. This would be something cool to injection mold instead of 3D print. Maybe we’ll do that if things don’t go awry for featureless in CA this year.
Taking Pre-orders? I'm down for FDE and black for starters.

Seriously though, who ever comes out with this first will get my money.

Well... as long as it looks and functions like it's professionally designed and not like a SolidWorks class project.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:49 AM
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Echoing sparrow dynamics with their ambi safety (that’s a must if you’re buying the grip).
I found with a slick side upper, or in my case with the the forward assists replaced with forward assist plugs, a right handed shooter can manipulate a standard ambi selector with the same motion a lefty runs a mil-spec left side only selector.
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