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Palmetto State Armory - BUYER BEWARE !
Hey guys I've not been over on this forum much lately and thought this was important enough to come let you all know . Bought this from PSA and it arrived yesterday . https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...e-kit-red.html
I didn't have time to take a close look yesterday but did today . Upon looking at the barrel I noticed it says Freedom where it also has the 5.56 1-7 markings . Hmm I had to go log into my account to double check but I was pretty sure nowhere in the description did it say it was a Freedom upper . I did go look and it does not state anywhere the barrel is a Freedom barrel . In fact nowhere in the description or specs does the word Freedom come up . This gave me real concerns because I think we all know how bad that Freedom line was . So bad in fact they had to pull it all together or stop printing freedom on there parts . I contacted PSA this afternoon and started a online chat with a rep . It took an hour and a half of the rep beating around the bush and putting me on hold for them to admit it is in fact there bottom tier barrel . This was after the rep telling me the Freedom written on the barrel is just something they do now and it's just a name they give parts . I then asked a straight forward question and she finally said it is a "freedom" barrel not one of there standard barrels they just stamp Freedom on now . Reps says I can send it back and get the kit I want I did get the kit I wanted , you are the one that sent me a barrel not described in the spec sheet . She didn't have much to say about that . I'm in blue I know there QC and CS has been questioned in the past but I thought this was extra sneaky and she danced around my questions for over an hour until I pinned her down on a yes or know question . I'm glad she finally admitted it because I knew it was not there standard barrel because I have several and none of them say Freedom on them . Anyways look out they are shipping Freedom spec components with out making it clear in the description that is what you are buying . MG
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Please let us know how it ends up..
Your right, that kit should not have come with a Freedom barrel. I'm a big fan of PSA, I've been pretty lucky so far with their parts and kits. I just got a Dissipator upper yesterday. I guess I should remove the stock and look a little closer.
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There is no upper tier quality PSA. If you mainly want cheap, that’s what you get with PSA. Return it, spend more money somewhere else and buy something that will last you without worrying about questionable quality. |
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Unfortunately sir you are incorrect. Palmetto State Armorys top-of-the-line products are FN products
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To the OP, I just went and checked four of my A.R. 15’s that have Palmetto State Armory uppers on them and none of them say freedom and then when I looked at my orders online they all say they’re classic kits if that helps any. I do have to agree with you but I don’t really like what they did but normally Palmetto State Armory is very good and they stand behind their stuff yes they’re super busy lately but that’s nothing new I’ve always stood behind the products and I’ve been a customer of theirs for over 10 years and probably had at least a dozen plus uppers
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That is what I thought also. I thought now days they only have two grades, the FN chrome lined and everything else.
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The OP's link to PSA shows
Brand: Palmetto State Armory If they provided something else, I'd hope they would take care of you including return shipping. If they jerk your chain too hard or jack you around for too long, just dispute the purchase with your credit card company and you will win. You did buy with a credit card and not a debit card, right? I thought it was hilarious that someone would spend 1.5 hours with customer service when it's so easy to just do a credit card dispute.
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It’s a chat, likely the OP was working and chatting with CS at the same time
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As far as charge backs or returning that will be determined after Sundays range trip . Without to much detail I have a few of there products with varying results . Everything from sub MOA best shooting AR I own to canted front sights base or 308 chamber .001 short of field gauge . It really is a hit or mis with them . I'll defiantly keep the thread updated to include pics of the targets along with other targets shot with other products of there's for comparison using the same ammo .
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Tolerate allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. I write almost everything in a jovial manner regardless of content . If that's not how you took it please try again |
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Their Freedom Line is still bottom tier. Their PTAC line was worse than their Freedom Line. Which is why it eventually got dropped. Quote:
AFAIK... third party testing (MG rental services that used PSA stuff) had the PSA Premium Line uppers rated on par with Colt and Daniel Defense uppers, in regards to reliability and durability.
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Typical stuff so often seen, someone buys something then complains and starts with the Buyer Beware and they didn't even try the product or shoot the barrel/rifle/pistol. If you know about the hit or miss then why even buy anything from them? This is all a bunch of BS and you sit there post copies of chat and then don't have the courage to go back and clean up the title of the thread. Buyer Beware? Given how you've conducted yourself here were I PSA I'd refund your money instantly, pay to have the products returned and never sell you anything ever again. This is so typical around here it's amazing. People cry about the finish in some bore and never having even shot it run to the forum to complain and get sympathy replies. Then there is the pile on and they've never even fired one round through the barrel. Just amazing. . .
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Maybe you put tone and inflection to my words that were not intended . The point of the thread was to inform others that PSA is not shipping the exact products in the description and is why the buyer beware is in the title . Also to point out how customer service tried their best to avoid admitting that until push came to shove sort of speak . As to returning it . Why would I with out trying it first as you point out . It “may” turn out to be my best shooter . That does not change the fact they tried a bait and switch IMO .
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Tolerate allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. I write almost everything in a jovial manner regardless of content . If that's not how you took it please try again Last edited by Metal God; 05-14-2022 at 6:40 AM.. |
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So who is the we all know? Then you said this later:" The Freedom line is not the one they dropped it was the P-Tac that was garbage " Who did the bait and switch? That would be you right? You didn't check, posted and then let the first statement stand and that is what everyone sees first. You got miffed because it was stamped Freedom and attributed what happened with something else to the one you got. Granted, you didn't ask for a barrel stamped Freedom but that wasn't the real concern and the proof is in your own words. Sorry to disagree and call this out but it isn't fair and you know it. What you could have done just as easily is made a request to send the barrel back and have them send you out the one you ordered right? You played some gotcha stuff, read your post. Companies make mistakes. Maybe you got someone on the horn who happened to pick up your chat line. You also don't know it was a bait and switch. If the barrel shoots as well as you expect it should then the big hooplah is that it has the word "Freedom" on it? Seriously? How do you even know that the very same barrels put on their other products aren't the same except for some rollmark or stamping? Had you shot the barrel first and it printed 1/4 MOA would you have still started out with Buyer Beware? I think we both know the answer to that question. .
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Let Go of the Status Quo! Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass? Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain. Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side. Last edited by SharedShots; 05-14-2022 at 7:04 AM.. |
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Omg you need to pull your head out , you literally quoted me admitting my mistake and wine I’m not being clear . Shut up and go away fan boy
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Tolerate allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. I write almost everything in a jovial manner regardless of content . If that's not how you took it please try again Last edited by Metal God; 05-14-2022 at 8:56 AM.. |
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There is a vendor section and the last time I had an issue with a PSA order like a missing part I would post it there and got it handled pretty easy. It's been a few years since I've ordered from them.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=252 Last edited by nate76239; 05-14-2022 at 9:48 AM.. |
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Im not complaining about the part it self . I don’t have anything actually to complain about yet until I shoot it . It’s like buying a Ford and they send you a Chevy . Both may work just fine but it wasn’t advertised as a Chevy it was advertised as a Ford
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Tolerate allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. I write almost everything in a jovial manner regardless of content . If that's not how you took it please try again |
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There have been a lot of complaints about their products on this forum. So when people say "don't buy a rifle from brand X because PSA is so much cheaper and I've had great luck with them" I cringe. Seems like if you have had good luck with them you got lucky.
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People will never learn. You can’t put lipstick on a pig. If you want quality, buy somewhere other than PSA. |
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What kind of problems? I am one that doesn’t. I did later swap in aero parts however. |
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One example is canted barrels. It is a recurring problem. People with front sight posts find they cannot align their sights because the barrel is so canted it can't be done. If not for the fact that their barrel has a front sight post they would never have known. Who knows just how big of a problem it really is considering most ARs don't have a front sight post these days.
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Just built a pistol a couple months ago used the 10,5 psa upper and a lower parts kit.
I know it aint top of the line but mine is accurate and functions good no issues so what more could i ask for?Sure i could buy more expensive parts but if they are accurate and reliable im happy with it. I think too many want to pay cheap know a product is middle of the road but in the end they buy them thinking they are getting top quality and expect that.That is where the problems arise! |
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Just have it shipped back and get the barrel you ordered. If you're gonna go and shoot it to see how it performs now after you've already complained that your order was wrong, I hope psa doesn't allow you to return it. You don't go to a restaurant and tell them this isn't what you ordered, then proceed to eat half of it and tell them to take it back. Lol this isn't a Costco sample food either. Either you want to keep it now and use it or just return it unfired. But by deciding to keep it and run it, in my opinion it's yours now and I hope it's not allowed to be returned.
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What exactly is wrong with a "Freedom Barrel?" I'm in the dark here.
Randy
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I've had gas issues with PSA free floated uppers. IMHO if you buy a cheap upper, go with a non free floated upper with a carbine length gas and pinned FSB. I've never had a problem with PSA's non freefloated uppers.
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I had a Freedom upper. Worked fine for me.
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Ummmm, no. It was advertised as an "upper". No brand names mentioned for barrel, bcg, parts, etc. You got what you ordered.
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Ordered budget AR and got a budget AR.
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Yeah, not sure why it's an issue. I clicked the link and looked at the barrel description.
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Can you even quantify what would make a barrel marked "freedom" worse than a barrel that says nothing? |
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Sending it back and thinking I'll get something different If I order a different kit is really guess work at this point . Quote:
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I went and shot it today see next post for results
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Went and tested using a 14x scope , front rest and rear bag with a lower that a fixed stock and Larue trigger . Shot several different ammo's from 55gr FMJ through 77gr smk . Best I could do was 2moa with Hornady 55gr V-max Superformance ammo
Center Fed AE Top right 69gr smk Bottom left 55gr NATO Bottom right Hornady Superformance Top left was off paper 77gr GMM - tad worse then the Hornady I shot some other stuff after the photo was taken , nothing better then 2.5moa For a comparison This was shot with a PSA build I did with there standard barrel using iron sights and that 69gr smk load That might have been my best group of the day and that was using iron sights and a mil-spec trigger . Barrel made by the same company with the same exact specs minus the Freedom lettering on the barrel lol
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Tolerate allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. I write almost everything in a jovial manner regardless of content . If that's not how you took it please try again Last edited by Metal God; 05-15-2022 at 5:54 PM.. |
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