Need some help with Skeet !!!

[ysr_racer]

You guys all know your eye dominance, right?

[Bakerloo]

Get a Red Ryder BB gun and take the sights off. You can even get adult size stocks. This teaches your hands and eyes to work together.

https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Qu.../dp/1493725688

https://vault.si.com/vault/1958/10/2...ng-by-instinct

https://gunstreamer.com/watch/lucky-...pVERaoDGp.html

[W.R.Buchanan]

Gosh Jaeger Dog and other Guys, You do realize that I wrote that post 3+ months ago?

I Have evolved! I also shot a 3 gun yesterday on a perfect day when you guys were at home digging up posts from months ago to prove just how stupid I am.

Maybe something constructive? Please Note: The "title" of this thread is,,, "Need some help with Skeet!"

Randy

[JagerDog]

Sorry if it comes across as harsh. Some lessons aren’t easy.

Yes, those comments were a few months ago. Yet a week ago you were telling us where your bead was in relation to the bird and all the signs are there you are “measuring” your lead.

No one “evolves” from decades of training/ concept in a couple months. One can head the words, but applying them is something else altogether. Fecal was right that it takes “trigger time”. And going back-n- forth with 3-gun likely doesn’t help the progression.

And FYI I was out salmon fishing Saturday. It doesn’t take a lot of time to “dig up” a post, particularly in a forum (shotguns) with little traffic.

[ysr_racer]

Come on Toast, let's shoot a round of clays. You buy lunch, I'll leave the tip

[ceh383]

Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan

Gosh Jaeger Dog and other Guys, You do realize that I wrote that post 3+ months ago?

I Have evolved! I also shot a 3 gun yesterday on a perfect day when you guys were at home digging up posts from months ago to prove just how stupid I am.

Maybe something constructive? Please Note: The "title" of this thread is,,, "Need some help with Skeet!"

Randy

Glad to hear you are trying looking at the target, it really is the best way. I only responded to the quote because I wouldn't want someone new reading that and thinking it was the right way to do it.

BTW, I shot a Sporting Clays event yesterday

[Sir Toast]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Come on Toast, let's shoot a round of clays. You buy lunch, I'll leave the tip

I'm in. This weekend is bad. The weekend after works for me.

I have to warn you, I haven't shot skeet in a long time. I shoot sporting clays and trap.

[JagerDog]

Originally Posted by pacrat

You don't AIM a shotgun. You POINT IT. It ain't a rifle.

Unless you are sitting on your butt, against a tree, shooting at a turkey.

Originally Posted by champu

I am far from an expert but I still find this this to be, as often as it is repeated, the most useless piece of clay shooting advice there is.

It’s as if you were trying to explain to someone how to board a freight train while it was in motion and you exclaim, “You don’t HOP into the boxcar. You JUMP into the boxcar!”

At first blush,it's easy to say WTF is the difference between point and aim.

But try this experiment:

Pick a spot, any spot. Could be a vase on the mantle, a cat on a roof...it doesn't matter. Just something relatively small in contrast to it's background.

Now point your finger at it. Are you sighting down your finger or are you letting your binocular vision interpret the left and right eye images into one? What do you see of your finger vs. sighting down it? What is naturally in focus when you choose to point at something?

When we were little we would sometimes sight down our finger to establish accuracy. But we've established that by now. Pointing is just about as accurate as sighting, while allowing the "big picture" to be seen. Well...except for my mom, who's finger was never inline with her arm.

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by Sir Toast

I'm in. This weekend is bad. The weekend after works for me.

I have to warn you, I haven't shot skeet in a long time. I shoot sporting clays and trap.

Weekend? I'm retired so I'm only free on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

[W.R.Buchanan]

OK I'm done with this for a while. I just shot a 7/25 this morning and nothing I am doing is improving my shooting.

I have all the hold points down and I am getting on the birds but I am missing each and every shot a different way each time. Last Thursday at Practice I missed #1 High House 6 times in a row! Today I missed the first 8 shots on #1 and 2, and then hit #3 High which I normally miss and then missed the low which I normally hit?. Missed Hi 7 and then the high double. Then I got both #8's?

I then realized that I had just shot a 7/25. No need to keep shooting as I am not on in any way shape or form.

So I went over and Patterned the gun. At 20 yards it is dead on POA with the bottom barrel and about 6" high on the top barrel. the pattern looks decent and about 24" with no voids or holes in it. So it ain't the gun however I am not shooting this gun very well at all.

I averaged 16/25 with my Citori .410! I have not broken 12 with this gun.

With the 32" bbls it doesn't swing as fast as other guns I have, although my .410 has 32" bbls but they are much lighter than the 12 ga.

So I am going to lay off for a couple of weeks and then shoot a different gun and see if that makes any difference..

I really need to shoot about a thousand rounds in 3-4 days to get with close supervision to get this game down. Then go back and do it again in a month or so later then once more a few months later.

As it sits I am making the same mistakes over and over again and I can't differentiate between good and bad shots. Most of my missed shots looked to me like they should have been hits!

With the ammo shortage this is not the time to be learning a new game that is ammo intensive. I've got about 500 rounds thru this new gun and I like it.
I just can't hit **** with it!.

Please don't tell me what I am doing wrong because You weren't there to see it happening. I really need an accessible school to go to and so far they just don't exist.

Sorry about the whining, pretty frustrated right now. I'm just going to watch car races for the rest of the day!

Randy

[Imageview]

Some days you are just off. I went out to the range yesterday and between too much coffee and a terrible night's sleep I was shooting badly. C'est la vie.

Personally I find when I focus on correct form for shotguns, I miss more shots. I'm thinking too much. Still worth doing so I can get the form more instinctual. Then when I go out and just shoot, not thinking about anything, the practice with correct form benefits me. The one thing I try to avoid at all costs is thinking about hitting clays, that's a surefire way for me to start missing. I get in my brain and start trying to force it, and the more frustrated I am the worse I shoot.

[k1dude]

I'm curious WRB, have you had your gun professionally fit?

Also, have you tried anyone's Beretta? As a general rule, it seems like there's 2 types of people, one type that Brownings fit and shoot perfectly for, and one type that Berettas fit and shoot perfectly for.

[ceh383]

Randy, I feel your pain, I had pretty rough day yesterday, the worst I've shot in quite a while.
Lots of things can cause a miss, frustration is one of them.
Have you checked POA/POI on the .410 for comparison?

[W.R.Buchanan]

Both guns are Browning's and both shoot to the POA. The .410 is just a lighter gun. I am a Browning fit. All my Browning's fit me perfectly.

When I picked up the gun the first time I closed my eyes, mounted it and then opened them back up to find I was looking right down the rib at the front bead.

With a very slight amount of adjustment I was looking at the Front and Center bead in figure 8 alignment. not enough to change much if anything.

I'm just going to back off a little and see if I come back better.

The Miami Grand Prix was a really good race.! Next year we get one in Vegas too and I will be there.

Randy

[tanks]

Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan

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As it sits I am making the same mistakes over and over again and I can't differentiate between good and bad shots. Most of my missed shots looked to me like they should have been hits!

With the ammo shortage this is not the time to be learning a new game that is ammo intensive. I've got about 500 rounds thru this new gun and I like it.
I just can't hit **** with it!.

Please don't tell me what I am doing wrong because You weren't there to see it happening. I really need an accessible school to go to and so far they just don't exist....

How about hiring a Professional Instructor for a couple of hours to figure out what is or what is not working?

Would be cheaper than all the time at the range experimenting if you figure in the cost of clays and ammo.

I figure if you can travel to Frontsite you can travel to where there are decent instructors.

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by tanks

How about hiring a Professional Instructor for a couple of hours to figure out what is or what is not working?

Would be cheaper than all the time at the range experimenting if you figure in the cost of clays and ammo.

I figure if you can travel to Frontsite you can travel to where there are decent instructors.

Andy, Andy, Andy, please don't bring logic and reason into an internet discussion

[FAS1]

Enough lead, continue to follow through after shot, look at the target, not your bead.

Stage 8 - cover the target and shoot very quickly, but continue to follow through.

http://ccskeet.com/skeet/Beginner%27...to%20Skeet.htm

[swiftone]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Andy, Andy, Andy, please don't bring logic and reason into an internet discussion

Completly underrated response. Bravo ysr, bravo...

[W.R.Buchanan]

Originally Posted by tanks

How about hiring a Professional Instructor for a couple of hours to figure out what is or what is not working?

Would be cheaper than all the time at the range experimenting if you figure in the cost of clays and ammo.

I figure if you can travel to Frontsite you can travel to where there are decent instructors.

Andy I go to Front Sight and leave the day before, not the same morning, and I stay for 3-5 days each time. The only reason why I can afford it is because I go with my Bro in Law and they have a house in LV we stay at. It costs me GAs and whatever ammo I buy.

Please give me a name of a Professional Coach that I can afford and actually get to without having to drive 6 hours. You'd think there was someone in the SF Valley that could fill this request.

FAS1 I am already doing those things. I am just missing the shots. And I hit both #8 shots yesterday It was the only thing the prevented me from throwing the gun.

Randy

[Bakerloo]

NSSA skeet instructors
http://mynssa.nssa-nsca.org/instruct...1-instructors/

[FAS1]

If you are hitting on stage 8, I would think maybe you aren’t leading them enough on the other stages. I did the same thing when I started shooting skeet (although I was never in single digits).

[tanks]

Originally Posted by Bakerloo

NSSA skeet instructors
http://mynssa.nssa-nsca.org/instruct...1-instructors/

On this list there are also instructors in/near Las Vegas. You could visit your BIL and make it a multi-day deal.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I hit on #8 because I got lucky twice in a row. Keep in mind I have made every shot on the field many times. I just can't seem to put them together in one round. Some days I hit some targets, somedays I miss the same targets.

I called Oak Tree and talked to "Nice Betsy" and she gave me a guy who I think I can work with and afford. I am seeing him next week to find out what the hell I'm doing wrong. I personally think it is a "Mental Thing."
I have been accused of having Mental Issues before.

Randy

[ceh383]

The hardest part of Skeet is the mental part. When you step onto the station you need to have a plan on how to ATTACK the target, then execute the plan.
Never shoot to NOT MISS, being careful like that will almost guarantee a miss. Be aggressive, attack the target and shoot before the center stake. If you miss, you must put it behind you...It's done and gone, move on. As one of the guys I shoot with says "Erase the brain". Don't over think it, it never works.

Remember, THE ONLY TARGET THAT MATTERS IS THE NEXT ONE.

Glad you found someone to help you out, you should be back on track shortly.

[shovelon]

I have often been accused of riding the bird. Well yes, maybe. I have been coached to dismount before calling for bird. Visualize the planned shot before hand. The idea is to turn into the shot while mounting and take the shot as the gun hits the shoulder, all the while hard focus on the target. It definately does not allow any looking at the bead.

Things happen so fast that if the target breaks you really don't see why, however if it does not you have a better clue as to why not. I saw a blurb by the Ashes on the subject.

The Quickest Way to Hit More Targets by Gil and Vicki Ash
Our research indicates that muzzle awareness is the leading reason for missing targets at all levels except the very top level. We see this most often in shooters who shoot gun-up and have not put the time into learning how to move and mount the gun. Eventually, you must develop the ability to know where the gun is pointed without looking at it. This is why doing gun mount drills at home every day is so important. What you do with the gun must become automatic, and you should seek to achieve a level of perfection such that it is 95% perfect 100% of the time — and it must happen without you thinking about it or looking at the gun.

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by ceh383

The hardest part of Skeet is the mental part.

The hardest part of Trap is when your anger management classes aren't working

[W.R.Buchanan]

I never shot a 25/25 in trap. My very first round with a borrowed BT99 was 24/25 and I never got there again. When I missed the first bird in any round I'd say to myself "well there goes that 25, and my hat is safe once again!" I sucked at Trap, and went downhill until I finally said F it. But I really didn't like that game to begin with because it is so simple that your ability to concentrate on every shot to the "Nth" degree is what governs the sport. drop concentration one time and there goes that round.

The difference is that I really like Skeet, mainly because I see some use for it in Bird Hunting, and there is more variety as well as the guns you can use.. I have 5 different guns I can use for Skeet.

Anyway I'm going to Oak Tree next Friday so an instructor can figure out where my weak points are and correct them. hopefully it wont' be too complicated.

Randy

[ysr_racer]

Cool, give us a follow-up report after your lesson.

My guess is, eye dominance, looking at the barrel, and measuring.

Let us know.

[tanks]

Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan

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The difference is that I really like Skeet, mainly because I see some use for it in Bird Hunting...

You should try Sporting Clays, you can use almost all of it in Bird Hunting.

[JagerDog]

Originally Posted by shovelon

I have often been accused of riding the bird. Well yes, maybe. I have been coached to dismount before calling for bird. Visualize the planned shot before hand. The idea is to turn into the shot while mounting and take the shot as the gun hits the shoulder, all the while hard focus on the target. It definately does not allow any looking at the bead.

Things happen so fast that if the target breaks you really don't see why, however if it does not you have a better clue as to why not. I saw a blurb by the Ashes on the subject.

I shoot everything "low gun".

My main interest is birds, being able to call pull, knowing where it's coming from and where it's going is enough of a "cheat".

[jtv3062]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...ll/AA-TrAAcker

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgwDmJVbzZY


Where is YSR

Thanks for posting that.

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...ll/AA-TrAAcker

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgwDmJVbzZY


Where is YSR

Useless

[Thefeeder]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Useless

More then useless......teaches bad habits that take more time and practice to undo then doing it correctly from the get go. You can see the bad habit in the vid.

[Ahansom]

You have been asking about where to take Skeet lessons for several years on this forum. Maybe Skeet's not your deal if your only able to achieve single digit scores. Go with your strengths.

[shovelon]

Originally Posted by Ahansom

You have been asking about where to take Skeet lessons for several years on this forum. Maybe Skeet's not your deal if your only able to achieve single digit scores. Go with your strengths.

Well skeet is still fun even if the scores are not high. It is nice just to hang with the buds. One of my monthly events was the Calguns Skeet Clinic at Triple B. We were all learning together, and crying together as well. I have fond memories.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Originally Posted by Ahansom

You have been asking about where to take Skeet lessons for several years on this forum. Maybe Skeet's not your deal if your only able to achieve single digit scores. Go with your strengths.

No, I haven't been asking for years.. I haven't been shooting skeet very much at all until a few months ago. Anyway I found someone who can help so it's all good.

IF you are in Santa Barbara, do you go to the 3 Gun Matches at Winchester Canyon? Maybe I've seen you there?

Randy

[FISHNFRANK]

I’ve been there before I became a good shooter. You’ll get lots of advice which will probably confuse you more that help you. At the very end, you’ll figure it out and decide that it’s really pretty simple.
1) having a well fit shotgun is essential since your eye is the “rear sight”
2) a good consistent gun mount is essential
3) you actually need to focus HARD on the clay target - see detail on the target, grooves, etc. if you look at the bead, or look at the lead, you will miss. You don’t try to figure out the lead - the gun moves by itself if your eyes are hard focused on the target. Literally - when you focus on that target it becomes closer and slower. Your trigger pull happens on its own too.

To this day I still try to focus hard on doves just flying over my yard each day. Pick out spots on them. I hunt but don’t shoot clays anymore. Eye focus is the entire key to the kingdom. Practice it even when you aren’t shooting

Frank

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by Ahansom

I do shoot trap, skeet and 5 stand at Winchester Canyon. I do not shoot 3 gun. Completely different eye focus. different type of gun and technique to shoot. Its all fun shooting but I don't think one helps with the other.

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I like your pretty blue shirt.

[Ahansom]

Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan

No, I haven't been asking for years.. I haven't been shooting skeet very much at all until a few months ago. Anyway I found someone who can help so it's all good.

IF you are in Santa Barbara, do you go to the 3 Gun Matches at Winchester Canyon? Maybe I've seen you there?

Randy

I do shoot trap, skeet and 5 stand at Winchester Canyon. I do not shoot 3 gun. Completely different eye focus. different type of gun and technique to shoot. Its all fun shooting but I don't think one helps with the other.

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[Ahansom]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

I like your pretty blue shirt.

Thanks for noticing!! My pink skeet shooting tutu was at the dry cleaners.