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Old 08-02-2019, 12:13 PM
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what sights are illegal here in california, im aware of the infer red sights being illegal is there any other type of sight that is banned?
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Old 08-02-2019, 1:15 PM
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The law [PC 468] was written by people who did not know how a night vision device worked and were relying on stuff they saw in the movies and how WW2/KW era active IR night vision scopes worked. The law has never been updated to keep up with technology.


Summary...
Active IR scope with magnification = illegal
Active IR scope with no magnification = legal

Passive IR scope with magnification = legal
Passive IR scope with magnification and an IR illuminator = illegal
Passive IR scope with no magnifcation = legal
Passive IR scope with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal

Active IR goggles with magnification = legal
Active IR goggles with no magnification = legal

Passive IR goggles with magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Passive IR googles with no magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
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Old 08-02-2019, 3:02 PM
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It is really confusing, maybe it is me. I try to figure it out for a while now.
What is Active IR and Passive IR.
What about termals? They are not IR, means no regs for them? Legal?
What about Digitals? Legal in any configuration?
In which category fall "Clip-Ons"?

Just to begin with....
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It is really confusing, maybe it is me. I try to figure it out for a while now.
What is Active IR and Passive IR.
What about termals? They are not IR, means no regs for them? Legal?
What about Digitals? Legal in any configuration?
In which category fall "Clip-Ons"?
Active IR has it's own IR light source, passive uses ambient IR.

Thermal imagining is generally superior to IR, but more $$$.
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Does anybody even pay any attention to what is "legal" in this regard, except for hunting?
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Old 08-02-2019, 9:28 PM
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Active IR has it's own IR light source, passive uses ambient IR.

Thermal imagining is generally superior to IR, but more $$$.
LOL... even more confusing

So, the one which does not have IR torch is passive and the one which has a temporary attached IR or IR attached to the gun which illuminated the target also legal because the NV is technically "not Active" according to what you say.

And i know that termals are more expencive, but the question was different: is it legal in all configurations becase it is not an IR?

What about digital? where are they in this scheme?
What about Clip-Ons? In which category do the fall?
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And i know that thermals are more expencive, but the question was different: is it legal in all configurations becase it is not an IR?
Thermal scopes are still IR, they’re just more specifically either MWIR or LWIR.
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Does anybody even pay any attention to what is "legal" in this regard, except for hunting?
For hunting... possession and use of all "night vision equipment" is illegal. [FGC 2005(c)]



Fish & Game Code 2005
(c) It is unlawful to use or possess night vision equipment to assist in the taking of a bird, mammal, amphibian, reptile, or fish. For purposes of this subdivision, “night vision equipment” includes, but is not limited to, the following:
(1) An infrared or similar light, used in connection with an electronic viewing device.
(2) An optical device, including, but not limited to, binoculars or a scope, that uses electrical or battery powered light amplifying circuits.
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So, the one which does not have IR torch is passive and the one which has a temporary attached IR or IR attached to the gun which illuminated the target also legal because the NV is technically "not Active" according to what you say.
Passive IR scope when used with an active IR light/laser (temporarily attached to the scope or firearm) causes it to be an "active IR scope".
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Unless you're buying very old technology, chances are highly unlikely that you'll be getting an optic that uses passive IR with an IR illuminator. Stay away from that old tech and you'll be fine. But again, don't use any of this for hunting in CA.
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It is incredibly confusing, like so many of California firearms laws OP. Seemingly intended to entrap law abiding citizens who's every intent is to follow the law and turn them, wholly unknowingly, into felons.
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It is incredibly confusing, like so many of California firearms laws OP. Seemingly intended to entrap law abiding citizens who's every intent is to follow the law and turn them, wholly unknowingly, into felons.
100% agree. it is legal, but you cannot use it.m So, the next question, what is it legal for?
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100% agree. it is legal, but you cannot use it.m So, the next question, what is it legal for?
You can use infared / night vision scopes on your rifle for target shooting but nothing else AFAIK.

Hunting = illegal with any kind of IR / NV scope, monocular, bino, or other optical in use or in your possession.

A separate Penal Code section pertains to thermal "sniper scopes" being totally illegal. Hand held thermals are ok for target shooting, but again are totally illegal for hunting AFAIK.

Below is the hunting law section.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ectionNum=2005.
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Fish and game code, Chapter 1, section 2005:

...(c) It is unlawful to use or possess night vision equipment to assist in the taking of a bird, mammal, amphibian, reptile, or fish. For purposes of this subdivision, “night vision equipment” includes, but is not limited to, the following:

(1) An infrared or similar light, used in connection with an electronic viewing device.

(2) An optical device, including, but not limited to, binoculars or a scope, that uses electrical or battery powered light amplifying circuits.
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