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Old 11-18-2020, 11:20 AM
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A study conducted by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center sought to test lockdowns along with testing and isolation. In May, 3,143 new recruits to the Marines were given the option to participate in a study of frequent testing under extreme quarantine. The study was called CHARM, which stands for COVID-19 Health Action Response for Marines. Of the recruits asked, a total of 1,848 young people agreed to be guinea pigs in this experiment which involved “which included weekly qPCR testing and blood sampling for IgG antibody assessment.” In addition, the CHARM study volunteers who did test positively “on the day of enrollment (day 0) or on day 7 or day 14 were separated from their roommates and were placed in isolation.”

What were the results? The virus still spread, though 90% of those who tested positive were without symptoms. Incredibly, 2% of the CHARM recruits still contracted the virus, even if all but one remained asymptomatic. “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine.”
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Old 11-18-2020, 11:59 AM
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I debunked this piece of risible garbage over in OT:

Short Summary: The idiotic ZeroHedge screed is trying to compare a group in strict quarantine with another group in the SAME strict quarantine

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Here's the actual paper:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

ALL of the recruits were in the strict quarantine. The volunteers just agreed to be tested time zero and week 1, period. So, shockingly people tested more often for something had more positive tests for that something is what zerohedge is arguing.

The only difference between the two groups was one group was tested regularly and the other group was not. Everyone was in the Marine Corps quarantine protocol. The paper was a epidemiologic surveillance paper, it wasn't remotely trying to compare the effect of an intervention between a control and experimental group.

"The public health program implemented by the U.S. Marine Corps for all new recruits includes a period of home quarantine followed by a 2-week, strictly supervised quarantine at a closed campus, with the objective of mitigating infection among recruits."

"All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten. Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons. All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening."

The idiotic ZeroHedge screed is trying to compare a group in strict quarantine with another group in the SAME strict quarantine, not a group in strict quarantine with a group wandering free. The only difference is the testing.

Hint people: READ THE ACTUAL PAPER!

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Old 11-18-2020, 12:21 PM
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Zerohedge is run by Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian national and former hedge fund trader who was barred from further practicing securities trading after insider trading. It is a pro-Russia propaganda platform that profits handsomely by misleading the American people.

Similarly, Epoch Times is run by John Tang and Li Hongzhi, both prominent Falun Gong members (Li is the cult leader). It is a religious cult movement that seeks to overthrow CCP rule in China by encouraging the US to see China as a military threat. It profits handsomely by misleading the American people as well.

Readers of both should realize that they are being played for sheep.
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Hahaha...record response time from both of you idiots. Aren't you tired yet?
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Hahaha...record response time from both of you idiots. Aren't you tired yet?
Tired of watching people drink the kool aid, yes.
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Tired of watching people drink the kool aid, yes.
Right. Unless it's YOUR Kool Aid.
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Tired of watching people drink the kool aid, yes.
So I guess that means you're admitting that wearing a mask around everywhere and forcing businesses to shut their doors is idiotic and doesn't help anything. Glad you finally see the light.

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So I guess that means you're admitting that wearing a mask around everywhere and forcing businesses to shut their doors is idiotic and doesn't help anything. Glad you finally see the light.

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I would like to see more people masking up and avoiding gatherings SO THAT we don't have to force businesses to shut their doors.

More relevantly, I'd also like people to not believe poorly disguised foreign propaganda, but that's probably too much to expect.
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"I would like to see more people masking up and avoiding gatherings SO THAT we don't have to force businesses to shut their doors."

Avoiding gathering and masking up only prolongs the inevitable. They will FORCE small business into bankruptcy, not matter what. They do not have to, they want to. That eliminates competition to the favored crony capitalist businesses. Covid is only the excuse, controll is the goal.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...ns-great-reset

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It’s still ok to shop at Costco Walmart Target etc but not small businesses.....

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It’s still ok to shop at Costco Walmart Target etc but not small businesses.....

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Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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Correct SCOTA.

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Hahaha...record response time from both of you idiots. Aren't you tired yet?
After looking at the article, it really doesn't look like it proves the title of the thread.
So why attack those that read the article, and reach what looks like a logical conclusion?
ETA: this one isn't really an attack, although it's part of a pattern that includes attacks.
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If one knows 2 layer cloth masks are ineffective what would one expect the results to be in such a "study"?
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Correct SCOTA.

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When the ignorant masses are desperate and hungry they will gladly accept the new socialist system.
This is the play the elites have been planning for nearly 100 years. We are living it. I doubt it will be stopped.

Everyone here needs to understand your constitutional rights are not being taken, "for your own safety". They are really being taken to make way for a new socialist system.

The playbook includes insiders that will try to convince you that you are wrong and you need to believe what you are told. You must not believe your eyes or personal experience. They call that propaganda and disinformation. There are a couple of them on this board that appear to be working for the socialist machine.

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If one knows 2 layer cloth masks are ineffective what would one expect the results to be in such a "study"?
That's a good point. Do you think if everyone wore proper fitting N95 masks that would help limit the spread?

As has also been discussed, did the change masks often, keep from touching them, etc? I didn't see that mentioned.



I've not seen many people here support lockdowns. I don't.
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Properly fitted N95 masks and eye protection will be significantly effective at reducing the chance of infection. Distancing greater than 10 feet even moreso.
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Right. Unless it's YOUR Kool Aid.
Now, wait: if everyone is serving cool-aid, how do we know which brands are safe to drink?
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Fauci Kool Aid for sure ! NOT.

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Do people still care about the virus?

Take the masks off and stop worrying.
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