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Old 07-16-2019, 8:12 PM
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Default What would happen if I tried to shoot 9mm through my .357 lever action?

I've been doing some reading about how the size of 9mm, 38 Special and 357 Magnum bullets are within a couple thousandths of each other. There are stories on the internet that some people have had some success shooting 9mm through a 357 magnum revolver, meaning that it worked but wasn't as accurate as 38 Special or 357 magnum. What would happen if I tried to shoot 9mm through my tube fed 357 magnum Henry Big Boy Steel carbine? Would the rounds feed? Would they jam and lock up the action? Would the 9mm chamber and fire? Might 9mm be accurate enough for plinking at 25 yards? Would I blow up the gun? Would I shoot my eye out? Thanks for any advice!
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Old 07-16-2019, 8:16 PM
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Because mixing calibers is such a great idea.
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Old 07-16-2019, 8:45 PM
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My first thought was it would chamber too deep to fire, but I pulled out my GP100 and dropped a 9mm in the cylinder and it was the reverse - sticks out like a 1/4 inch.
I suspect the stories on the internet were referring to people who reloaded 357 cases with 9mm bullets.
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Old 07-16-2019, 8:53 PM
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My first thought was it would chamber too deep to fire, but I pulled out my GP100 and dropped a 9mm in the cylinder and it was the reverse - sticks out like a 1/4 inch.
I suspect the stories on the internet were referring to people who reloaded 357 cases with 9mm bullets.
Oh, that is interesting. Thank you for doing that little test, Hardwarejunkie!
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Old 07-16-2019, 8:59 PM
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Get youselve a top break action 410 shotgun and experiment with that. If not, please let us know how it goes...

Google the 410....lots of stuff on that.
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Old 07-16-2019, 9:04 PM
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9mm is a tapered cartridge. It's more narrow at the case mouth than the base.

You'll likely find like hardwarejunkie did that they don't fit in 357 chambers.

Also, 9mm guns headspace off the case mouth. 38/357 headspace off the rim at the base. A 9mm that fits into a 357 chamber will probably fall in and be out of reach of the firing pin, unless you tilted the gun back so the base rests on the breech face. This also means your 9mm probably won't feed in your tube; the rim is an important part of the feeding action.

You can in fact load 9mm projectiles into 38/357 cases. I've done it. It can be a bit loose (9mm is a few thou smaller).

In fact, I've loaded backwards 9mm projectiles in 357 cases to simulate wadcutters. Worked great, it was like shooting paper hole punchers.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:31 PM
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You can shoot 9mm in .357 Magnum DA revolvers by reaming and machining the cylinder for use of the moonclips, this way you can use all 9mm family of cartridges, like 9x19, 9x21, etc and at the same time still use .38 Specials and .357 Magnum cartridges. The moonclip is is were these cartridges are headspace. some brass gets damaged, but the gun functions fine.
In SA revolvers, you can use 9mm by swapping cylinders, like in Ruger Blackhawk 9mm/.357 Magnum combo, each cylinder is properly headspaced for one cartridge only.
In lever actions you can not swap calibers like that, because chamber cannot properly support the 9mm cartridge, due to different headspace and cartridge dimensions.

These two shops are best known for cylinder conversions:
TK Custom and
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Old 07-17-2019, 7:39 AM
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Come on,,, why are we talking about this? This is dumb and not a good idea, and it won't work! The two cartridges are completely different. One is a Rimless case designed to be used in Semi Auto Pistols and the other is a Semi Rimmed case designed to be used in Revolvers. The lengths are totally different and whereas the rifle might feed them, it surely won't extract them from the chamber after they don't fire, because they are too short. End result you get to figure out how to get them out of the gun.

If you simply set the two cartridges next to each other you can probably figure out several other reasons why this is dumb.

Next you'll want to try to fire .45 ACP's in your .458 Magnum to save money.

Sorry, but this idea is dumb and should have never come up.

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OP, if you end up losing any fingers we want pictures.


.40 is a lot closer in size to 38/357 and I know if someone accidentally shoots 9mm out of a .40 the rounds tumble end to end.
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Thank you for that excellent explanation Fizz and others. I think I understand now why 9mm can sometimes be used in a 357 revolver or 9mm bullets in reloaded ammunition. I won’t attempt this in my lever gun. Randy, go easy on the coffee today bro.
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Seriously, compare the case's side by side. You'll notice that the 357 case has a rim on it, and the 9mm doesn't.
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Dude at the range pulled a range officer to the side once when I was there. He was wondering why his Glock fordie was jammin every couply of rounds. Turns out he was shooting 9mm through a 40, facepalm.
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I am sure if I said stuffing a 9x19 cartridge thru a gun chambered for .357 Magnum would be
a moronic act, someone here would want to argue. So...

For anyone who chooses to purposely attempt to do the above is hereby allowed to do so.
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What would happen if I tried to shoot 9mm through my .357 lever action?

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Most of the reviews of this test have been released posthumously. But sadly were not definitive.

If you do this, please take a video. It will be amusement for Calgunners and put you in the running for awards. See link below.

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maybe try some 38 supers..... it is semi rimmed

on 2nd thought.... maybe not....only shoot what the rifle/handgun was made for....just to be safe !
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Gee....I wonder what would happen if I stuck my pocket knife in an electrical socket? Would nothing happen? Would I get shocked? Would I regret doing it in the first place? Would it be a cool thing to do?

Who comes up with sh*t like this?

Use the ammo designed for your firearm!
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:43 PM
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Ruger made a 9mm/357 revolver. I think it used moon clips to hold the 9mm at the right depth.
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Ruger made a 9mm/357 revolver. I think it used moon clips to hold the 9mm at the right depth.
No

F$ck this place is stupid some times.
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F$ck this place is stupid some times.
Yeesh, just correct the guy and say the Ruger convertible revolvers require a cylinder swap.
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I think the OP confused bullet size versus a complete cartridge. If he heard someone talking about reloading a 38 case with a 9mm projectile then I can say I' ve done that without any problem many times.
9mm 380 auto and 357 sig projectiles are spec'd .356" vs .357" for 38 spl and 357 mag.
Manufacturing tolerances and barrel wear can be .001" barrel to barrel or projectile to projectle.
Unless you slug your barrel and mic every projectlie you've probably fallen within .001" a few times.
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I know a guy that fired .38 Super out of a J frame .38 special S&W. It chambered and fired, but he said the recoil was a bit unpleasant.
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I have no clue what would happen, but I am pretty sure it would fall into the category of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
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There’s only one way to find out . . .
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Not going to attack the OP, but it is obvious he does not understand the relationship between bullet size, mechanics of how a round chambers, and cartridge name.

Take it easy on the OP, he is trying to learn, just not thinking his question thru.

There a number of cartridges on the market that can be interchanged, but not very many. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

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There a number of cartridges on the market that can be interchanged, but not very many. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

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It could be that the OP saw the Ruger 357/9mm convertible Blackhawk and got to thinking.
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"What would happen if I tried to shoot 9mm through my .357 lever action?"

If you try to shoot through the rear stock it would most likely put a hole in it or shatter the wood.

If you try to shoot through the side plate of the receiver you would probably get a hole through the metal on the first side, but not both.

If you try to shoot through the mag tube you would certainly pierce and bend it.

If you tried to shoot through the barrel you would probably leave a dent on side you hit first, but not go through it.

I would highly, highly recommend NOT shooting 9mm OUT OF your .357 lever action though.
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