Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > POLITICS, LITIGATION AND ACTIVISM > How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-09-2019, 8:46 PM
Masada11 Masada11 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Westlake Village
Posts: 22
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default Can Cannon upper...?

would it be legal to put an unregistered unserealized 80% lower on a can cannon?
being that its a dedicated BLANK gun?

Last edited by Masada11; 01-09-2019 at 9:03 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-09-2019, 8:49 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Señor Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IE, CA
Posts: 32,351
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Masada11 View Post
would it be legal to put an unregistered unserealized 80% lower on a can cannon?
being that its a dedicated BLANK gun?
It is illegal to be in possession of an unregistered unserialized 80% frame.


There is a period at the end of that sentence.
__________________
- Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-09-2019, 9:04 PM
chucker's Avatar
chucker chucker is online now
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Thousand Oaks
Posts: 3,128
iTrader: 175 / 100%
Default

Being that its a dedicated blank gun I don't think it wouldn't be considered a firearm when attached to the Can Cannon.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-09-2019, 9:10 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Señor Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IE, CA
Posts: 32,351
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chucker View Post
Being that its a dedicated blank gun I don't think it wouldn't be considered a firearm when attached to the Can Cannon.
The stripped lower itself is the firearm. That does not change simply because a blank upper is attached.

An AR lower attached to a can cannon is not an AW, but it is still a firearm regardless of whether the upper is a rifle, pistol, can cannon, or crossbow.
__________________
- Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-09-2019, 9:14 PM
SoldierLife7's Avatar
SoldierLife7 SoldierLife7 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Sunny San Diego
Posts: 2,129
iTrader: 25 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokebottle View Post
It is illegal to be in possession of an unregistered unserialized 80% frame.


There is a period at the end of that sentence.
This ^

Edit to add:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-...eivers-illegal

Note that the receiver is considered a firearm.
__________________
___________

They support free speech - on their terms. They oppose hate - providing they alone are allowed to define hate. They speak for 'the oppressed' - without their consent. Their problem, I suspect, is that they have never seen real suffering or inequality or oppression...

Last edited by SoldierLife7; 01-09-2019 at 9:17 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-09-2019, 9:53 PM
Califpatriot Califpatriot is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sf bay area
Posts: 1,550
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...09&postcount=5
__________________
In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

Do you have a CZ PCR or P-01, a Kel-Tec P-11, a WASR, a fixed mag Draco, or a gen 2 or 3 PSAK-47? Let me know as I may be interested in buying or trading for those.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-10-2019, 3:45 PM
ARDude's Avatar
ARDude ARDude is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Retired in Northridge, Ca
Posts: 1,620
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Masada11 View Post
would it be legal to put an unregistered unserealized 80% lower on a can cannon?
being that its a dedicated BLANK gun?
How would an unfinished 80% lower fire anything?

Now, if you are talking about a finished receiver. It would have to have a serial #, and registered with DOJ as a firearm.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-11-2019, 7:02 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Señor Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IE, CA
Posts: 32,351
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Califpatriot View Post
^^^^^
Perfect.
So the only issue is the unserialized/unregistered status of the 80% receiver build... but that is a problem for a person who possessed a functional 80% build anyway.
__________________
- Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-11-2019, 7:36 PM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 23,442
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokebottle View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Califpatriot View Post
^^^^^
Perfect.
So the only issue is the unserialized/unregistered status of the 80% receiver build... but that is a problem for a person who possessed a functional 80% build anyway.
Post in the link was just edited to reflect changes to CA laws pertaining to self-made firearms.


However, may have to do another update/review of it due to some info being brought up (was "unofficially" talking with a CA DOJ agent about it).
^Could be a change for the bad.
~CA has too many laws, may have missed an obsecure set of laws that could apply to this and change what was originally posted.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

Last edited by Quiet; 01-11-2019 at 8:28 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-11-2019, 8:40 PM
Califpatriot Califpatriot is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sf bay area
Posts: 1,550
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
Post in the link was just edited to reflect changes to CA laws pertaining to self-made firearms.


However, may have to do another update/review of it due to some info being brought up (was "unofficially" talking with a CA DOJ agent about it).
^Could be a change for the bad.
~CA has too many laws, may have missed an obsecure set of laws that could apply to this and change what was originally posted.
You want to share or just tease us?
__________________
In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

Do you have a CZ PCR or P-01, a Kel-Tec P-11, a WASR, a fixed mag Draco, or a gen 2 or 3 PSAK-47? Let me know as I may be interested in buying or trading for those.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-11-2019, 8:44 PM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 23,442
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Califpatriot View Post
You want to share or just tease us?
Give me 24 hours.
Need to run it pass some lawyers.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-11-2019, 8:44 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Señor Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IE, CA
Posts: 32,351
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Califpatriot View Post
You want to share or just tease us?
As stated above, OP's problem is with the unserialized, unregistered 80% build.
He had better not be in possession of one in California.
__________________
- Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-11-2019, 8:55 PM
Califpatriot Califpatriot is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sf bay area
Posts: 1,550
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokebottle View Post
As stated above, OP's problem is with the unserialized, unregistered 80% build.
He had better not be in possession of one in California.
Yeah but I can't imagine that's what quiet is talking about.
__________________
In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

Do you have a CZ PCR or P-01, a Kel-Tec P-11, a WASR, a fixed mag Draco, or a gen 2 or 3 PSAK-47? Let me know as I may be interested in buying or trading for those.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-11-2019, 9:26 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Señor Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IE, CA
Posts: 32,351
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Califpatriot View Post
Yeah but I can't imagine that's what quiet is talking about.
Likely something regarding SBR/SBS/DD status.
But regardless of that, the problem for OP is the lower itself and not whether or not it is attached to a can launcher or just sitting in his safe stripped down.
__________________
- Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-12-2019, 3:16 PM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 23,442
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

If you have a Can Cannon in CA, immediately unattach it from any functional receiver.
^Does not apply if it is attached to a BATFE approved Title 2 AOW or you are a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit holder.

My appologies for forgetting about how CA unconventional pistol laws impacts the Can Cannon.

Under CA laws, a firearm with a non-rifled barrel that has a barrel length of less than 18" or an overall length of less than 26" is considered an unconventional pistol. [PC 17270]

It is CA illegal (felony) to import, make, transfer, or possess an unconventional pistol in CA. [PC 31500]

BATFE approved Title 2 AOW [PC 17710(a)] and CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit holders [PC 17720, 17725, & 17730(c)] are exempt from CA unconventional pistol laws.


Updated Conclusion:

The Can Cannon upper by itself (unattached) is CA legal.

Installing a Can Cannon upper is only CA legal when attached to a BATFE approved Title 2 AOW or when installed on an AR15 pattern receiver that was registered as a "handgun" by a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit holder for business reasons (make/transfer to Gov/Mil/LE agencies or for use as a prop in the entertainment industry).

It is CA illegal to use it with any type of explosive, incendiary, and tear gas type projectile.

The previous (11-2017) interpretation that it would be CA legal to install on an AR15 pattern receiver that is registered as a "handgun" was incorrect, because doing so would violate CA unconventional pistol laws.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

Last edited by Quiet; 01-12-2019 at 3:34 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-12-2019, 3:57 PM
Califpatriot Califpatriot is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sf bay area
Posts: 1,550
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

I learned something new--PC 17710(a). Very interesting.
__________________
In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

Do you have a CZ PCR or P-01, a Kel-Tec P-11, a WASR, a fixed mag Draco, or a gen 2 or 3 PSAK-47? Let me know as I may be interested in buying or trading for those.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 7:24 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.