2023 state Constitutional Carry bills: 1 1/2 wins FL (CC only, 26) & NE (27)

[LonghornBob]

Originally Posted by gobler

Governor DeSantis just came out in favor of open carry. He was asked by GOA representatives and he answered. Bid for President? Probably but of he signs a bill with Con Carry, He'll have my vote.

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Being in favor of open carry is a political must for DeSantis. Think of it. California is now shall issue open carry in over half of its counties (i.e., the ones less than 200,000). Florida completely prohibits open carry everywhere.

DeSantis and his Republican super majority can't do better than Newsom and his Democrat supermajority.

Not a good look.

[Baja Daze]

Originally Posted by Paladin

NEBRASKA CC: 1 vote down, 2 to go!



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...raska-97615930

After three days of debate, lawmakers voted 36-12 Friday to advance the bill. It must survive two more rounds of debate to pass.

Most bills need 33 votes to pass in Nebraska's unique one-house Legislature. There are currently 17 Democratic lawmakers in the officially nonpartisan body - enough to successfully filibuster most bills if they all vote together.

But two other Democrats joined Wayne and McKinney in voting for the permitless conceal carry bill, including Omaha Sen. Mike McDonnell, a former Omaha firefighter union president who switched to support the measure after the Omaha police union pulled its objection to the bill. Democratic Sen. Lynne Walz, of Fremont, abstained from voting.

A spokesperson for Republican Gov. Jim Pillen's office said Friday that the governor supports the bill and would sign it into law if it passes.

[Paladin]

FLORIDA

Some supporters feel permitless carry isn?t enough, and that Florida should move to open carry of firearms.

Gov. Ron DeSantis promised to sign a permitless carry bill. The item is set to make it to the floors of the House and Senate for a final vote.

Item ready for a vote in Senate and one more committee stop in the house. There is no time frame yet for a full vote.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...carry/2989564/

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Paladin

FLORIDA

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...carry/2989564/

Fl is open carry legal, if you are hunting/fishing, or going to, coming from, a place to hunt/fish.

Anyone with a hunt/fish license. Can legally open carry as long as they are traveling to/from, a place to hunt/fish. Just have a hand line, and a hook in your shirt pocket.

Remember! Burden of proof falls on accuser in criminal matters.

https://youtu.be/OOBEoQZAan8

[dogrunner]

Camping is also included in the OC exception.......still, even with that clearly stated some jurisdictions will still play the intimidation game. Been a couple of suits on the matter and if LE goes too far they do lose. Generally you know you have something of a problem when the LEO carries a heavy NY accent!

[LonghornBob]

Montana House Bill 551 introduced to amend Montana Constitution as follows:

The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...8f8308561.html

It shows there's a meaningful difference between permitless carry and constitutional carry. Even though the legislature allowed for the concealed carry of guns without a permit, it couldn't mandate that state universities allow for concealed carry under the Montana Constitution. https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06...-campus-carry/

I'm all for these laws eliminating permit requirements, but even in states that have passed these laws more must be done. Specifically, their constitutions need to be amended so the right to carry concealed without a permit is embedded in them.

[press1280]

Originally Posted by LonghornBob

Montana House Bill 551 introduced to amend Montana Constitution as follows:

The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...8f8308561.html

It shows there's a meaningful difference between permitless carry and constitutional carry. Even though the legislature allowed for the concealed carry of guns without a permit, it couldn't mandate that state universities allow for concealed carry under the Montana Constitution. https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06...-campus-carry/

I'm all for these laws eliminating permit requirements, but even in states that have passed these laws more must be done. Specifically, their constitutions need to be amended so the right to carry concealed without a permit is embedded in them.

Excellent. That would truly be the finishing touch on "Constitutional Carry"

[Fedora]

Originally Posted by LonghornBob

Montana House Bill 551 introduced to amend Montana Constitution as follows:

The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."

I wonder why it's "or" rather than and, which would seem to be more considtent with the Second Amendment, would it not?

[gobler]

Looks like Florida is off the list of Constitutional Carry. The author pulled open carry from the bill in fear of it not passing.. A super majority Republican legislation and Republican governor.. what a bunch of cucks.

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[Paladin]

NEBRASKA CC is in peril: pro trans activist threatens to filibuster ALL legislation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rans-bill.html

[Fyathyrio]

Originally Posted by gobler

Looks like Florida is off the list of Constitutional Carry. The author pulled open carry from the bill in fear of it not passing.. A super majority Republican legislation and Republican governor.. what a bunch of cucks.

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That amendment was vile and needed to die, it included idiotic sections such as felony charges for not using a state approved holster. (The definition of which was conveniently not disclosed in the bill.) The fig leaf for the R author to hide behind is it was a bad cut-n-paste job and he didn't read it or some such BS.

[gobler]

Originally Posted by Fyathyrio

That amendment was vile and needed to die, it included idiotic sections such as felony charges for not using a state approved holster. (The definition of which was conveniently not disclosed in the bill.) The fig leaf for the R author to hide behind is it was a bad cut-n-paste job and he didn't read it or some such BS.

Did it? Wow! Ok then.. I guess the logic is to get concealed carry with no permit, then later they can tack on open carry later on..

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[pacrat]

Originally Posted by gobler

Did it? Wow! Ok then.. I guess the logic is to get concealed carry with no permit, then later they can tack on open carry later on..

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Even the longest journey begins with the first step.

[Baja Daze]

Originally Posted by Paladin

NEBRASKA CC is in peril: pro trans activist threatens to filibuster ALL legislation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rans-bill.html

That wack job senator needs to change the first letter of her last name to a big fat "C"!

Sorry your son is mentally ill, what a great reason to grind ALL legislation of the people to a halt.

[Baja Daze]

Originally Posted by gobler

Did it? Wow! Ok then.. I guess the logic is to get concealed carry with no permit, then later they can tack on open carry later on..

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We did not lose our RKBA rights overnight and we are not going to regain them overnight. Slow, steady progress has been working, I know it sucks and rights delayed are rights denied, but if we can keep hitting singles and doubles we will continue to score runs and don't have to have Home Runs, however they are sweet to hit, like Bruen.

[Paladin]

LOUISIANA has CC bill introduced in their House. This is the 4th session bill author has introduced it

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...on/ar-AA19brMR

[CGZ]

The Nebraska bill passed its second round of voting. 1 more to go.

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/03...-round-debate/

[rplaw]

Not sure if NC is on the list of States to watch or even if it fits within this thread but...

https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2023...is-overridden/

[FullMetalJacket]

Permitless carry is on its way to DeSantis!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...guns-rcna77201

[Baja Daze]

Originally Posted by FullMetalJacket

Permitless carry is on its way to DeSantis!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...guns-rcna77201

I sure hope the Florida legislature was smart enough to also include "Universal Recognition" of all other state permits and drop the non-resident permit nonsense in their Permitless carry bill......

[marcusrn]

Wow, great news and only fitting that the great state of Florida under DeSantis should tip the scales of full recognition of peoples rights!

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by Baja Daze

I sure hope the Florida legislature was smart enough to also include "Universal Recognition" of all other state permits and drop the non-resident permit nonsense in their Permitless carry bill......

No, they did not. But it appears that the permitless carry provisions apply to non residents, so long as you would not be disqualified for a permit, which is the same as for Florida residents. The bill is over 100 pages and I did not read all of it.

[Paladin]

NORTH CAROLINA has a CC bill — HB 189 — in their judiciary committee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...te/ar-AA19kx4Q

[CGZ]

Governor DeSantis of Florida has signed their constitutional carry bill. It will go into effect on July 1, 2023.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/des...gun-rights-law

[Silence Dogood]

Last month, Matt Larosiere who is an attorney and Floridian went into detail about this bill in a nearly 20 minute video on his Fudd Busters channel.

He wrote in the description,

While I'm happy to see the possibility of ditching the absolute requirement to have a carry permit in Florida, HB543 is a soft and very un-Floridian way of going about it.

Even if this is not good for Florida, it is good for the country in that a majority of states now have a permitless carry law in some form.

[LonghornBob]

Originally Posted by Silence Dogood

Even if this is not good for Florida, it is good for the country in that a majority of states now have a permitless carry law in some form.

If you take into account any form of permitless carry (open or concealed), then 39 states have some form of it.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by CGZ

Governor DeSantis of Florida has signed their constitutional carry bill. It will go into effect on July 1, 2023.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/des...gun-rights-law

I call it their Constitutional Concealed Carry law. Half a loaf is still a win.

I updated the OP and title.

I?m guessing NE will be next.

[JumperXCB]

So how does this affect owners of Florida Non-Resident CCW?

[CGZ]

Originally Posted by JumperXCB

So how does this affect owners of Florida Non-Resident CCW?

As I understand it, it will no longer be required for non residents to conceal carry in Florida. You could still obtain one for reciprocity purposes though.

[stag6.8]

I predict South Carolina will be next...Constitutional Carry bill passed the House and is headed to the senate...the Governor WANTS Constitutional Carry!!

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by stag6.8

I predict South Carolina will be next...Constitutional Carry bill passed the House and is headed to the senate...the Governor WANTS Constitutional Carry!!

No.

(1) The SC Senate Judiciary committee Chairman Rankin is the hurdle; CC was rejected by S RINOs in previous sessions (term ends mid May)

(2) This year the version starting to move in the Senate is different from the CC bill passed in the House. If it passes the Senate it will take additional time to resolve their differences.

(3) whereas the unicameral NE legislature just has to pass one more time the same bill it already passed twice this term

That?s why I expect NE is next.

[LonghornBob]

Originally Posted by Paladin

NORTH CAROLINA has a CC bill ? HB 189 ? in their judiciary committee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...te/ar-AA19kx4Q

Now that the North Carolina GOP has veto-proof control of the legislature, this gets more interesting.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/tri...ontrol-in-n-c-

[Paladin]

SOUTH CAROLINA Senate version of CC bill passes out of subcommittee back to committee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...it/ar-AA19JXzn

Out of S subcommittee for committee debate & vote. If it passes then to full S for debate & vote. Then??? Resolution committee debate & vote? Then back to each chamber for debate & vote? Then to governor?

Will there be enough time for all of that???

[press1280]

Originally Posted by Paladin

SOUTH CAROLINA Senate version of CC bill passes out of subcommittee back to committee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...it/ar-AA19JXzn

Out of S subcommittee for committee debate & vote. If it passes then to full S for debate & vote. Then??? Resolution committee debate & vote? Then back to each chamber for debate & vote? Then to governor?

Will there be enough time for all of that???

They have another month before sine die, so yes they do.
But this looks like more shenanigans from the SC Senate. They sat on their own bill for several months now (which the NRA had to get amended BTW). The easy route would be to simply take up the House version and move that through instead.
I'm just smelling a rat here. I hope I'm wrong and with FL going this year I hope the pressure gets to the SC senate. But SLED and possibly the tourist lobby still have hold of a few of the gatekeepers who can single handedly derail this thing yet again.

[press1280]

Originally Posted by Baja Daze

I sure hope the Florida legislature was smart enough to also include "Universal Recognition" of all other state permits and drop the non-resident permit nonsense in their Permitless carry bill......

The way FL's permit recognition worked was "You recognize us, we recognize you"
They should amend the statute to try to secure whatever reciprocity agreements they can, even though they went permitless. Some states still require an actual agreement and don't recognize permitless states as necessarily "recognizing" their permit.

This would help out FL resident travelers.

[Paladin]

OREGON 2024 ballot measure: no mention of OC so it sounds like Constitutional Concealed Carry, like FL, because unlike FL they already have Constitutional Open Carry.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/04/14/gun-...allot-measure/

[Paladin]

More evidence NORTH CAROLINA GOP is serious about CC

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ty/ar-AA19RE4E

[gobler]

Nebraska Legislature just passed permit less carry 33-14. It now heads to the Governors desk.

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[Dr.Lou]

This will make #27?

[gobler]

Originally Posted by Dr.Lou

This will make #27?

Yes. N.C. could be #28

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