You guys that like crappy old AR's

[sigstroker]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem...fle-black.html


Blem Harrington & Richardson 723 Style Carbine 5.56 Rifle, Black
$985.99

Not bad, usually these are over a thousand, aren't they? If I was going to buy an old crappy AR, this is probably the one I'd pick. I don't know how faithful a copy they are - a buddy had 2 of these and they were about 5.5 pounds. I couldn't hit a barn door, too muzzle light.



Forward assist but no case deflector. Ordinary looking lower.

[ARDude]

I like retro style AR's better than the crappy new ones.

[stormvet]

All my crappy old AR’s are actually old, but not really crappy.

[robledor]

I love the look...I'm 25, and this is what I remember rifles used to look like when LEO had them. I'm all over nostalgia

[sigstroker]

There are more and more matches that have an "old and crappy" division that were hard to get into, because the rifles were so darn expensive. They wouldn't let you just slap a carry handle on top of a Pic rail. Now I'm starting to consider this thing because I have an old Colt carry handle scope...

[Garand Hunter]

So I am now a member of the get and have a crappy old style AR eh ? Rock River old style carry upper, stainless match bbl, and a Superior lower and A2 stock. Uhh maybe I finally fit in eh. Maybe so, maybe not.

Psalm 1

[green grunt]

that's a nice looking carbine , a few things are off... but for a modern repo it looks good..

[ARDude]

Originally Posted by green grunt

that's a nice looking carbine , a few things are off... but for a modern repo it looks good..

I agree, good copy of a model 653.
Barrel length was 14.5 inch, handguard ring was round not delta style, and pistol grip was A1 style.. And color should be Colt grey not black.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by ARDude

I agree, good copy of a model 653.
Barrel length was 14.5 inch, handguard ring was round not delta style, and pistol grip was A1 style.. And color should be Colt grey not black.

It's not supposed to be a copy of a 653. It's supposed to be a replica of a 723, as it says in the OP and on the sale page.

[DrewN]

I like the og ARs for the same reason I like Garands,Carbines,FALs and M1A's in wood. They aren't work guns. If for some reason I needed to go back to work I'd choose a modern rifle with a modern optic, but it's just a tool, not something I'd give a **** about owning or ever taking to the range.

[ARDude]

Originally Posted by sigstroker

It's not supposed to be a copy of a 653. It's supposed to be a replica of a 723, as it says in the OP and on the sale page.

To me the photo resembles a 653 more than a 723. The main reason is that the 723 had a C7 upper.

[green grunt]

I thought if funny that they got the buffer tube nut correct but then used a round FA instead of the tear drop... I like both..but that just me...and who has a buffer nut tool to fit that anymore.. (I do..lol)

[SVT-40]

Why does is this cost a grand?...

[toiletfighter]

Originally Posted by SVT-40

Why does is this cost a grand?...

Cuz ‘retro’

[ARDude]

Originally Posted by green grunt

I thought if funny that they got the buffer tube nut correct but then used a round FA instead of the tear drop... I like both..but that just me...and who has a buffer nut tool to fit that anymore.. (I do..lol)

Round FA is normal on the 723. Tear drop style was used on earlier style rifles/carbines.

[ARDude]

Originally Posted by SVT-40

Why does is this cost a grand?...

My guess is because A1/C7 uppers cost more. Flat top uppers are more common/less expensive.

[grim1U]

My M16A2 never let me down and didn't have a bunch of crap hanging off it. You could still mount scopes, etc to carry handle if needed.

I can appreciate some modern AR-15/M4, etc, but sometime kiss / retro is better.

[stormvet]

Originally Posted by sigstroker

It's not supposed to be a copy of a 653. It's supposed to be a replica of a 723, as it says in the OP and on the sale page.

Really interesting vid, thanks for posting it.

[California_Deplorable]

Hey, hey, you guys are being too picky. Just be happy they have an actual carry handle upper not a flat-top with a detachable carry handle. And a pencil barrel profile, not the M4 or A2 barrel profile.

Those always make me vomit when I see some guy's "retro" builds with flat top uppers and M4 or A2 barrel profiles.

This is the best I could do for a "featureless" retro carbine build, upper is a Colt LE carbine upper:


I'm interested in another retro build using a gray PSA H&R A1 upper and 16" carbine pencil barrel assembly.

[green grunt]

^ I like it...Colt 6520 upper ?

[California_Deplorable]

Originally Posted by green grunt

^ I like it...Colt 6520 upper ?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it came from a 6520. I got it used from Armsunlimited and replaced the flashhider with a fake A2 style thread protector.

[green grunt]

got the same upper , great shooter... I put a AIM A2 closed end comp on mine...looks the part but Ca. compliment ...(ugh)
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if the H&R were for sale in Ca. like the photo...I'd buy one and "fix" it up a bit...

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by SVT-40

Why does is this cost a grand?...

Aren't the other retro guns on the market more expensive? I thought it was a relative bargain.

Originally Posted by stormvet

Really interesting vid, thanks for posting it.

After I watched it, I wanted to buy one, lol.

Larry Vickers is a cool cat.

[shooter556]

It's awesome but not a grand awesome.

[Oldmandan]

I have both retro and modern, but prefer the crappy old AR due to how lightweight and handy they are.

Modern AR’s are getting to be like Honda Civics

[ar15robert]

prefer retro as well.I have an a2,and a modern railed 10.5 the other will be built as an xm177 or m4

[TrappedinCalifornia]

There's nothing inherently wrong with "old" and "crappy" is largely a personal perspective.

In fact, "new" may (or may not) be "in," but "new" AND "improved" is also a matter of perspective and is actually not much, if any, 'improvement' and, too often, a seemingly inappropriate descriptor.

What always amuses me are those who claim they'd never carry a Garand due to it weighing 9.5 lbs. and having 'limited' ammo capacity. Yet, these are the same guys who lug around a 'modern' M16/M4 with all the techo-stuff which comes in at nearly the same weight to 'shoot' at distances that used to be the bailiwick of a Thompson at 'almost' 10 lbs.

The bottom line is that while the theme has always been to 'lighten the load,' it hasn't really been accomplished... U.S. Army & Marine Ammo Loads During WWII. Instead, weapons have been developed in relation to tactics 'invented' by the Old Guard, using those 'crappy old' weapons to increase the effectiveness of the tactic and/or account for a general decrease in marksmanship going into the military.

[golfish]

Originally Posted by Ishootforblood

But, I have a few. I have a few more, but I need a bigger couch. (Note: the one on the far right is a .22LR Rimfire dedicated CMMG barrel & bolt).
Second photo are Brownells A1 and C7 projects. Still considering options.

Nice grouping.....

I too enjoy carry handles on my ARs

[DaveInOroValley]

Had an original Armalite back in 1970 that my Dad ended up selling when all the California weirdness started along with two beautiful HK-91’s.

[highpower]

I guess I'm something of a dinosaur because I like the look of the retro AR's much more than the modern ones.

[DrewN]

That slickside on top is my platonic ideal for the platform.

[jarhead714]

Anyone notice that the height of an optic like a red dot or prism is kinda sorta perfect when mounted on a carry handle? Seems like it was almost designed for that purpose, huh?

[tomk556]

What distinguishes a crappy old AR from a new not-crappy one? Different shaped plastic stock and a hand guard you can hang a whole bunch of junk on?

[Dan_Eastvale]

Originally Posted by highpower

I guess I'm something of a dinosaur because I like the look of the retro AR's much more than the modern ones.

Always thought that as well.

Guess it's the same for other things we first saw, had, or ate as kids and youth.

The "good" old days

[M76]

Had no idea H&R made AR15’s, pretty cool actually

[California_Deplorable]

Originally Posted by Ishootforblood

Looks good. The stock looks like JC Machine https://jemachinetech.us/featureless...cro-buttstock/

Thats the one.

[California_Deplorable]

Originally Posted by M76

Had no idea H&R made AR15?s, pretty cool actually

It's not the original H&R that made M16s for the military back in the day. It's the H&R brand that PSA bought to market their "retro" line of ARs. Which makes sense for an authentic rollmark on a retro AR. PSA bought Nodak Spud (NDS) to become part of "H&R" since NDS was probably the leader in retro AR receivers.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by California_Deplorable

It's not the original H&R that made M16s for the military back in the day. It's the H&R brand that PSA bought to market their "retro" line of ARs. Which makes sense for an authentic rollmark on a retro AR. PSA bought Nodak Spud (NDS) to become part of "H&R" since NDS was probably the leader in retro AR receivers.

Right, that H&R is gone. Just like Armalite.

[BradleyAbrams]

Originally Posted by DrewN

That slickside on top is my platonic ideal for the platform.

Agreed.

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[freonr22]

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