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Old 01-12-2022, 8:31 AM
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In the General Guns forum there is a robust thread with posts about how many calibers; everything from vast collections to minimalist, but it had me thinking. In SHTF we all know what we physically can carry on foot and I've seen threads about that, but what about in your vehicle. What are you going to bug out with? My case is different. Isn't everyone's, but since my bug out is a sail boat I have weight limits I wouldn't have in a F150 or big diesel truck. My boat would include:

300 WM bolt action and about 40-60 rounds,
Springfield M1A probably close to 500 rounds and several magazines,
Kimber 1911 45 probably 200 rounds,
One of the 16 gauge shotguns and 250 rounds,
Several 22's, one rifle (10/22), a few hand guns and likely a couple of bricks.

Even all that is lot of weight for the boat.
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Old 01-12-2022, 9:02 AM
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Depends on is it NOW get outa Dodge, or do you have a few hours/days etc before moving out and with what tranportation?

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Old 01-12-2022, 10:20 AM
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My guess would be that bugging out by boat would put you in far less contact with people, especially large numbers of people. That, in turn, would negate any disadvantage in the reduced amount of ammo that would be practical to set sail with.
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Old 01-12-2022, 10:34 AM
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Already bugged out. Now I just prep GHB. One pistol (typically carry BHP - 2 mags 15 round each) one rifle (MSR - 2 mags 40 round each)
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You have ammo for all of your guns and can arm every crew member to repel boarders? Lets hope so.

Have you considered towing a dinghy so you can add inventory? Net an extra 200 lbs plus at least. You cut it loose if necessary due to bad weather or pirates. Arrh!
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Old 01-13-2022, 7:28 PM
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If you could have only 5 guns, what would they be?... irrespective of the SHTF or daily living.

Item 1: 300 WM bolt action and about 40-60 rounds,
Why bother if you are only carrying 40-60 rounds? If you are in California 99% of the predators (2 legged or 4 legged) will not require this level of effort. (second tier item)

Item 2: Springfield M1A probably close to 500 rounds and several magazines,
Now we are talking. (First tier item).

Item 3: Kimber 1911 45 probably 200 rounds,
Excellent choice. (First tier item)

Item 4: One of the 16 gauge shotguns and 250 rounds,
Why? 16ga is impossible to find ammo for and you have to handload buck or slugs. (Second tier item)
But a shotgun in 12ga or 20ga for ammo availability and variety.

Item 5: Several 22's, one rifle (10/22), a few hand guns and likely a couple of bricks.
(Pick one 10/22. A First Tier item)

Pick up Survival Guns by Mel Tappen. A small section of the book deals with bugging out by boat.

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Old 01-13-2022, 7:31 PM
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There are Ammo stores all over the place.... police cars

Should an EMP or dirty bomb go off, I'd travel light.

Carry a common caliber where one could find spare Ammo.
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Why carry the 300WM and the M1A? Seems like you satisfy a battle rifle and a precision/long distance rifle with the M1A. 40-60 WM rounds isn’t that bad but coupled with the rifle you’re looking at 10lbs. Maybe you really like your 300 but I’d consider dropping it.
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Have a good good quality dingy on standby and drag behind your boat �� and you are set.
Same as the truck guys, we got trailers

BTW I would rather have that boat than that Ford you speak of ; )

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If you're traveling in SHTF, you've already lost. Either you are at you at your bug out location, or you need to hunker down.

That being said, 22lr is the lightest and probably your most versatile round. You need a good long range / hunting round. A good round for your EBR. A shotgun for it's versatility, and a pistol.
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Maybe partial to the 300 WM because the boats really not defensible. Let’s face it the old fiberglass is going to out live us but not an AR or any kind of assault. I have read accounts of people using long distance high powered rifles to dissuade pirates and distant assailants so it was my go to for the “first” shot may be only shot selection. As 870 noted the M1A may be better served with more magazines and ammo then the 300WM.
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I imagine a 300 WM would serve pretty well as your "**** around and find out!" gun on the water. But so would the M1A, so there is some redundancy there.
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M1A/M14 + 4-5 loaded mags, or .308 Garand + 6 en blocs. Plus whatever extra I can carry.
Rock Island 1911 45 acp + 2-4 extra mags(depending on what pack I have), and whatever I can carry. With complete extra top end, barrels, and mags, for extra calibers in case I run low, and find some(9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W, 10mm).
22 lr rifle.
No shotgun as my kids have both.

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In the General Guns forum there is a robust thread with posts about how many calibers; everything from vast collections to minimalist, but it had me thinking. In SHTF we all know what we physically can carry on foot and I've seen threads about that, but what about in your vehicle. What are you going to bug out with? My case is different. Isn't everyone's, but since my bug out is a sail boat I have weight limits I wouldn't have in a F150 or big diesel truck. My boat would include:

300 WM bolt action and about 40-60 rounds,
Springfield M1A probably close to 500 rounds and several magazines,
Kimber 1911 45 probably 200 rounds,
One of the 16 gauge shotguns and 250 rounds,
Several 22's, one rifle (10/22), a few hand guns and likely a couple of bricks.

Even all that is lot of weight for the boat.
Personally I would carry reloading stuff. Nothing fancy. Basic reloading kit. Hell I woild go for the small self contained reloading kit that doesn’t use a press to do the reload. Takes no room. About the size of a set of reloading dies. I forgot what they were called. I got sets for a few calibers. Yiu use a hammer to drive the primer set the primer and set the bullet. Comes with a small scoop and funnel. . Get one reloading formula that works well and leave it at that.

As far as guns…I would get three. Something long range short range and conversation distance. From your list…..I would , go Kimber although I rather have a revolver. Less parts less magazines. I would prefer bolt action rifle as there are less moving parts, a 12 ga shotgun and a 22. I woild even go with a single shot on those. I would want KISS guns. Simple to fix simple to use simple to repair. Hell I’m would even say get a AK and call it a day. If some goat herder in the azz end of the world has one made in 1960 and it still shoots today I’d say get that. Yiure not there to fight a war. You want to be as stealthy or low key as possible.

I would get as much ammo for the 22 as possible over the others. Cheapest quietest and will take game that doesn’t have teeth and claws and feed you. Carry spare parts. You’re not gonna be fighting a running gun battle on a sail boat. Wherever you end up you’ll most likely be outgunned and seen from a long way off. You’re not gonna be fighting the Smokers off in a sail boat Mariner.

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For pistol, I would go with a Glock 22, there are a ton of them in the wild. And if needed just throw in a LW conversion barrel to have a defacto G17 or G31.
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How big is the boat OP? Ocean-going or fresh water?


I'd probably go a lot simpler than your list but you have it and it works on the boat so go with it. Boats in open water are usually either long distance or close-in PDW/hand to hand. Blade training, if not proficient, would likely be a good idea too.

I find it sad that in a purportedly advanced and civilized society that we're even having such discussions. I remember how my dad returned home from the killing fields of Europe and never touched guns again or even raised a fist to another human and died in peace. IDK, what has become of us?
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A proper Sailboat set up for offshore cruising is probably the best option for escaping chaos or a serious SHTF event. I doubt a total breakdown would happen here in Californistan but it’s fun to speculate. I would worry about drinking water and food storage first and foremost. For guns it would be a 10/22 Magpul takedown with a dot scope and plenty of .22 ammo. (Too bad we can’t have a binary trigger here in this libtard anti gun state) because a binary trigger will lay down some hurt. Second would be a simple 9MM (worldwide NATO round) like a Glock 17 that will feed dirt encrusted ammo because the chamber is .007 oversize. Built for war. Third would be a 12 gauge with birdshot to buck and long range (150 yards is long range for a shotgun…hahaha) Sabot Slugs like Hornady
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Maybe partial to the 300 WM because the boats really not defensible. Let’s face it the old fiberglass is going to out live us but not an AR or any kind of assault. I have read accounts of people using long distance high powered rifles to dissuade pirates and distant assailants so it was my go to for the “first” shot may be only shot selection. As 870 noted the M1A may be better served with more magazines and ammo then the 300WM.
How far can you shoot accurately from a rocking platform?
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My boats been to Hawaii and back a few times; but that doesn't mean it can go anywhere those are actually pretty reasoned conditions for ocean sailing. I have plans to take it to Ireland but my research tells me the window is small on the northern side. Looks like it might be a bit too much for me as I get older IDK.

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I'd probably go a lot simpler than your list but you have it and it works on the boat so go with it. Boats in open water are usually either long distance or close-in PDW/hand to hand. Blade training, if not proficient, would likely be a good idea too.

I find it sad that in a purportedly advanced and civilized society that we're even having such discussions. I remember how my dad returned home from the killing fields of Europe and never touched guns again or even raised a fist to another human and died in peace. IDK, what has become of us?
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A proper Sailboat set up for offshore cruising is probably the best option for escaping chaos or a serious SHTF event.
But where do you land when armed to the teeth? Canada - nope Mexico - nope Hawaii - nope Australia - nope You'll end up in some 3rd world country worse than what you left. As soon as you hit the shore the local strong man and his guys will own your boat and everything you're not wearing.
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There are these things called "islands" and they are really cool. There are bunches of them too. All over the world even. Hell if its not that bad there even a few on the rivers of the Delta in Northern, CA.

I don't think people realize how many there are.

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But where do you land when armed to the teeth? Canada - nope Mexico - nope Hawaii - nope Australia - nope You'll end up in some 3rd world country worse than what you left. As soon as you hit the shore the local strong man and his guys will own your boat and everything you're not wearing.
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I'm sure your list was made based around what you have and are comfortable shooting . . . based purely on the goal of defending a boat (not going on raids) while keeping weight down my list would be: 1 Glock 17 per person w 2 spare mags (carried on their person), 1 AR-15 with standard .223 & 9mm conversion kit 1 shotgun, One .22 rifle, and one high powered hunting rifle (the Win mag would be great. I'd pack 250 rounds of 9mm, 100 rounds .223, 50 rounds .300 Win mag, 2 bricks of .22, 50 slugs & 20 00 Buck plus a lee hand press with dies, powder, primers, & bullets to reload.

I would think the tactical plan would be to stop approaching hostile crafts with a single slug right at the waterline - they'll be busy bailing/repairing and you'll be sailing away with the hunting rifle on over-watch to make sure they don't shoot at you as you sail away. That being the case I'd set the shotgun up with a rifled barrel & scope - the further away you can accurately stop them the better. I'd also practice shooting the scoped shotgun & the hunting rifle from the boat (I imagine the rocking & glare will present difficulties not encountered on land).

I'm not sure this could be done securely - but if possible I would find a couple spots to hide supply caches including ammo and possibly the heavier arms like M1A with 300 rounds of .308. Find a remote spot on an island where you can bury/hide a garbage bag size package and reasonably expect that no one will find it and also that you could get to it. Again - that may be a pipe dream.

As for the vehicle question: I have a double rifle case bolted to the floor of my truck under the back seat (that folds up), it has a pump shotgun & a .30-06 Rifle with 200 rounds of #7.5 shot (realistically I'm more likely to encounter unexpected opportunity to shoot trap or doves than looters), 50 Slugs, 50 00 Buck, and 100 rounds of .30-06. That's what's in there all the time, if I was going into survival mode I would toss in a .22 rifle & 2 bricks of ammo (separate subject; but I prefer a tube fed lever action .22 for survival purposes - no need to remember magazines & super reliable).

In a perfect world I'd love the idea of a M2 .50 mounted on a tripod in the bed with as much ammo as my suspension can carry - but real world limitations make that unlikely . . .
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