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And if you get to thinking 'Well, when is old Librarian gonna get to [my favorite case]?' you can account for my getting distracted or lazy.

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And if you get to thinking 'Well, when is old Librarian gonna get to [my favorite case]?' you can account for my getting distracted or lazy.

You can see the format and the needed info - write your own post and put it here, and I'll collect it and add it to the locked thread, possibly with some minor editing.

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First draft looks excellent. Thanks for putting in the work!

What about adding a line with a brief summary of the current state of affairs? For example, for Rhode, the latest shows: "The motion to stay the district court's January 30, 2024 permanent injunction and judgment (Docket Entry No. 4) is granted." This can be confusing to those who are not in the weeds on the procedural posture. I think CGers would find it helpful to see a clear statement on the impact (e.g., "Ammunition purchases continue to require background checks and must go through FFL.").
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First draft looks excellent. Thanks for putting in the work!

What about adding a line with a brief summary of the current state of affairs? For example, for Rhode, the latest shows: "The motion to stay the district court's January 30, 2024 permanent injunction and judgment (Docket Entry No. 4) is granted." This can be confusing to those who are not in the weeds on the procedural posture. I think CGers would find it helpful to see a clear statement on the impact (e.g., "Ammunition purchases continue to require background checks and must go through FFL.").
Some might be relatively easy to summarize that way, but look at May:
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HEREBY PRELIMINARILY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from implementing or enforcing California Penal Code ? 26230(a)(7), (8), (9), (10), (11), (12), (13), (15), (16), (17), (19), (20), (22), (23), and (26) against any individuals with permits to carry a concealed weapon issued under California Penal Code sections 26150 or 26155. They are also PRELIMINARILY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from implementing or enforcing California Penal Code ? 26230 as it pertains to parking areas.
Without knowing exactly what those Penal Code sections say, the ruling is kind of opaque.

My inclination is to leave that to the linked discussion threads. However, historically, a few days after a major development in a CA case, CRPA emits an analysis; I could probably link to those announcements, as they are better than anything I could do myself.
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My inclination is to leave that to the linked discussion threads. However, historically, a few days after a major development in a CA case, CRPA emits an analysis; I could probably link to those announcements, as they are better than anything I could do myself.
Makes sense. Thanks for taking on this task!
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This might constitute a very annoying suggestion, but would sorting the posts by alphabetical order help? I suppose many people do not know the case names.
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This might constitute a very annoying suggestion, but would sorting the posts by alphabetical order help? I suppose many people do not know the case names.
Software won't allow that - order of posts is time-based, and as I noted in the thread, can't move them around.

Thus my suggestion to use a text search either directly (on a page of posts, which I have set to the current max of 50, but other settings may be lower) or 'search this thread'.

I'm up for adding more to the keywords line, happy to take suggestions.
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Software won't allow that - order of posts is time-based, and as I noted in the thread, can't move them around.

Thus my suggestion to use a text search either directly (on a page of posts, which I have set to the current max of 50, but other settings may be lower) or 'search this thread'.

I'm up for adding more to the keywords line, happy to take suggestions.

I guess you could use the edit function to copy/paste one post into another. If for some reason you want to reorder the posts, that might work.
If you do try it, make a test in a different thread, first. Don't want to screw up the work you have already done.
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From the 2019 Fouts/Tolentino v Becerra thread:


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I realize it would be a bit of work for you, But a plain english summary of what the current status of the case actually means would be really useful. I have found myself digging through 20 pages of threads trying to figure out where we are with things. Something like "currently legal to posses and use preban and freedom week LCM's. Illegal to buy, sell, transfer, manufacture or import LCM's"
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I realize it would be a bit of work for you, But a plain english summary of what the current status of the case actually means would be really useful. I have found myself digging through 20 pages of threads trying to figure out where we are with things. Something like "currently legal to posses and use preban and freedom week LCM's. Illegal to buy, sell, transfer, manufacture or import LCM's"
For this, I recommend subscribing to CRPA emails; at least for California, they have a strong reputational motivation for accuracy, and give longer explanations.

Eventually someone copies such communications to appropriate threads on the cases.
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I see the stickys THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. If it's possible it would be great to get one on the CA ROSTER. Apologies if there is already one done and I missed it.

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I see the stickys THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. If it's possible it would be great to get one on the CA ROSTER. Apologies if there is already one done and I missed it.

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There are two:

Renna v Bonta, https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1665656
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Boland v Bonta, https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1810709

Just added both to the sticky.

On that note, I'm experiencing the forum behavior just like everyone else. To successfully edit that thread requires the conjunction of the occasional good performance here and the time/energy to do it.

I'm pretty sure the internal Calguns thread links won't work on the new system, so I'll have to manually redo those, but seems likely that will not be a problem then.
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Mr. Libarian,

Thank you for doing this. It makes it so much easier to keep up with the latest judicial activity.


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Librarian, I found a resource that tracks Second Amendment cases at the appeals court level. Unfortunately, this misses the district court challenges, but the list should still provide useful information.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1906768
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Update for the pinned thread:
Boland got hit with the same order as Renna.




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Thanks for the updates, please continue to post them.

I don't see everything, though I do catch a few on my own.
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"Next event: oral arguments March 19, 2024"

It is April 1st....

I want to thank you for doing it - very useful. That is said - I think that a wiki is much better format for this. I understand that we do not have one per se, but it is not that difficult to set one up also.
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It is April 1st....

I want to thank you for doing it - very useful. That is said - I think that a wiki is much better format for this. I understand that we do not have one per se, but it is not that difficult to set one up also.
There are honestly too many Second Amendment cases to realistically keep a unified source continuously updated.
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"Next event: oral arguments March 19, 2024"

It is April 1st....

I want to thank you for doing it - very useful. That is said - I think that a wiki is much better format for this. I understand that we do not have one per se, but it is not that difficult to set one up also.
Since nothing else is scheduled for Duncan - after oral arguments comes the next opinion, which is between now and forever - I don't quite get your comment.

As to a wiki, well, we had one but it didn't cover court cases particularly well; I lost write access to it after our 2015 'meltdown' and now it exists only in the Internet Archive.

It was a major problem to keep spammers from wrecking it, (at peak, I was spending about an hour every frickin' day fixing it) until the actual owner hired a programmer to lock down the wiki with write access to just a couple people.
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I will say that it's nice to be able to look at that locked thread, and if it is not bold, I know that nothing especially nifty or terrible happened.
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I will say that it's nice to be able to look at that locked thread, and if it is not bold, I know that nothing especially nifty or terrible happened.
Post edits do not mark threads as unread, so this strategy does not work. If an already-listed case receives a major update, the title will not turn bold.
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Post edits do not mark threads as unread, so this strategy does not work. If an already-listed case receives a major update, the title will not turn bold.
Truth.

However, such updates should appear as new posts in the actual case threads - pretty much how I learn about them! - and those should indicate new stuff. How quickly I can update that summary thread is variable.
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Truth.

However, such updates should appear as new posts in the actual case threads - pretty much how I learn about them! - and those should indicate new stuff. How quickly I can update that summary thread is variable.
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