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Old 09-06-2021, 9:07 PM
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Default HK P2000 on Roster

Latest addition to the roster is a HK 2000 and SK US Version? What is the US version?
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Old 09-07-2021, 7:56 AM
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Hey Renokid, welcome to CG. US version has universal rail and uses USPc magazines. It's the one everyone here has.
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Old 09-07-2021, 2:08 PM
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Default Heckler & Kock P2000 manufacture location ?

With Glocks they tell us only German made version are allowed, and the US version is not allowed, per the roster.

I was looking at a picture of the H&K P2000 V3 and the picture of the gun shows "Made in Germany".

On Sept. 1 the roster was updated with the following,

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Heckler & Koch P2000-V3 US / Steel; Polymer Pistol 3.66" 9mm 01/01/22
Heckler & Koch P2000 SK-V3 US / Steel; Polymer Pistol 3.3" 9MM 01/01/22
They seem to have added US versions of the P2000 and the P2000 SK.
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The European version has a proprietary rail for a specific light and a more sloped trigger guard. I think they used proprietary magazines also.

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Here's the sportsmans.com California version,

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...iant/p/1703760



If you zoom in on the rear part it says "Made in Germany".
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The US version is the one that has been sold in the US since the (now expired) federal ban on high cap mags.

It is made in Germany for the US market. It is limited to using USP Compact magazines.

If it is a "new" roster addition, it is the same exact gun it has always been, perhaps just listed a different way for clarity.
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H&K makes some handguns here ( HK45 at the factory in Georgia ) and others overseas.

I wonder if P2000 production is being moved here from Germany.

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H&K makes some handguns here ( HK45 at the factory in Georgia ) and others overseas.

I wonder if P2000 production is being moved here from Germany.

There is a possible fly in that ointment, but some things better left unsaid?

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These have been called P2000US for ~20 years, it's just that most people never knew it.
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Each entry costs the manufacture .. I don't think they would add a new entry for clarity.
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Each entry costs the manufacture .. I don't think they would add a new entry for clarity.
$200 is less than they spend on coffee creamer every month at Hk. They would certainly spend that per year for a CA roster listing. We are the largest economy in the US and would be the 5th largest in the world if we were a country. And the roster is a near monopoly for the relatively few semi auto guns that remain on it.

And we have no idea if maybe this was DOJ's doing. DOJ can list duplicates for free.
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Two of my personal favorite pistols---the HK P2000 and P2000SK also have the advantage of using the same magazines as my HK USPc and even the longer P30 magazines will fit and function in the smaller pistols...
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they look different .. The German made one says "Made in Germany" but the US one doesn't have the same markings. i can't make out what it says in the picture.

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ctory-georgia/

Circa 2017

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Heckler & Koch is building a US factory in Georgia, a welcome surprise for US gun buyers. The German arms manufacturer is building a 23 million dollar facility in Columbus,
Georgia to built pistols, sport, and hunting guns. At this time we are unaware of exactly what lines are to be produced in the new stateside facility, I assume that it will be
models that were previously affected by import restrictions.
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Seems like they moved P2000 production to their US plant in Georgia. So did the German-made P2000s just go way up in value? I can definitely see a collector wanting to pay more for the German proof marks and such.
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Seems like they moved P2000 production to their US plant in Georgia. So did the German-made P2000s just go way up in value? I can definitely see a collector wanting to pay more for the German proof marks and such.
I just got a new fde P2000 a couple weeks ago and it’s made in Germany
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I just got a new fde P2000 a couple weeks ago and it’s made in Germany
I've not seen one that says "Make in USA" . I think we would need to contact HK to find out exactly what they're doing with the roster.
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I've not seen one that says "Make in USA" . I think we would need to contact HK to find out exactly what they're doing with the roster.
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I just got a new fde P2000 a couple weeks ago and it’s made in Germany

Considering that these new listings were just added to the roster on September 1, I'm going to put on my thinking cap here and surmise it's perfectly within expectations that the P2000 you picked up "a couple weeks ago" was made in Germany.
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My brand new P2000 9mm DROSd "exactly 4 days ago" at a major big box retailer, which was shipped in from their fresh warehouse inventory, also made in Germany.

And moving semi auto pistol production and getting CA DOJ blessing for continued roster approval is almost unheard of. Just look at Glock, Colt etc. Far more often than not, moving production is the kiss of death for your roster listing.

It is possible of course, but it is a big hurdle...

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My brand new P2000 9mm DROSd "exactly 4 days ago" at a major big box retailer, which was shipped in from their fresh warehouse inventory, also made in Germany.
Yes, that’s within expectations, too.

Gosh, are you guys actually under the impression that, because the USA-made P2000s just hit the roster 13 days ago, all Germany-made P2000s will have just instantly vanished and been magically replaced with USA-made models? Give it time; I’m sure you’ll see them eventually.

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And moving semi auto pistol production and getting CA DOJ blessing for continued roster approval is almost unheard of. Just look at Glock, Colt etc. Far more often than not, moving production is the kiss of death for your roster listing.

It is possible of course, but it is a big hurdle...

https://i.imgur.com/QYHTLfY.jpg
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My brand new P2000 9mm DROSd "exactly 4 days ago" at a major big box retailer, which was shipped in from their fresh warehouse inventory, also made in Germany.

And moving semi auto pistol production and getting CA DOJ blessing for continued roster approval is almost unheard of. Just look at Glock, Colt etc. Far more often than not, moving production is the kiss of death for your roster listing.

It is possible of course, but it is a big hurdle...

I find that statement on the website puzzling, why would they continue to make such a statement (updated) unless they will eventually allow
Gen4/5 to be sold in California. If you had no intentions of selling Gen4/5 no such statement would be needed. No such statement is made
regarding other manufacturers.


As far as moving equipment and such, California never gave a damn
about manufacturing/factories. They rather give out foreign made narcotics.
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My brand new P2000 9mm DROSd "exactly 4 days ago" at a major big box retailer, which was shipped in from their fresh warehouse inventory, also made in Germany.

And moving semi auto pistol production and getting CA DOJ blessing for continued roster approval is almost unheard of. Just look at Glock, Colt etc. Far more often than not, moving production is the kiss of death for your roster listing.

It is possible of course, but it is a big hurdle...

This is the reason this is so curious. If HK is allowed to have US production it means those listings are new listings , and California has changed policies ..
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My brand new P2000 9mm DROSd "exactly 4 days ago" at a major big box retailer, which was shipped in from their fresh warehouse inventory, also made in Germany.

And moving semi auto pistol production and getting CA DOJ blessing for continued roster approval is almost unheard of. Just look at Glock, Colt etc. Far more often than not, moving production is the kiss of death for your roster listing.

It is possible of course, but it is a big hurdle...

Didn't Seacamp do it?



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Didn't Seacamp do it?



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Have you been fallowing what's been going on with the roster and Smith & Wesson and Ruger?

Both Smith and Ruger are letting their semi-autos fall off the roster.

You know why don't you?

If not I'll tell you.

Both Smith and Ruger are going to be doing some changes in the manufacturing of all their semi-autos. This would cause a need for "re"-Listing their guns. Meaning that they would need to meet all of the new requirements; ie - Microstamping.

The way CA roster laws are written ANY change in the manufacturing would trigger the "re"-Listing rules. So that means if they just sold all the stuff and someone else is going to be doing the manufacturing of these little guns that would trigger the "re"-Listing rules and need Microstamping to be listed under the new manufacturing process.

That thread sort of died without a conclusion. So did they move production or just change ownership?

Simply changing owners would be one thing, seems like a low hurdle. Moving machines to another facility even in another state would be another thing, higher hurdle but perhaps not insurmountable. But moving production to a new facility in a different country, and using new machines altogether? That may be the bridge too far for DOJ.

If it is so easy, why did Colt, Glock, and Ruger not do it?
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That thread sort of died without a conclusion. So did they move production or just change ownership? If it is so easy, why did Colt, Glock, and Ruger not do it?
Colt invested in new CNC and changed how they made their 1911s.

IIRC, Ruger and Smith both said that they were going to make incremental changes to their guns on an ongoing basis so they were also out due to microstamping. ( Smith said the SDs and 1st gen Shield would not be changed, expressly so that they could be kept onroster. )

Glock may not have cared, since they still have foreign gen 3 production that can be directed to CA. Or, perhaps the rumors were true and the EPA put the kibosh on the Tenifer process being used in the US, making US guns different ‘enough’. Who can say?

Beretta picked their factory up and moved it from MD to TN.

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