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Old 09-14-2021, 4:21 PM
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Default Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 Tactical Enhanced

I need a $1500 - $2000 tactical shotgun like I need a hole in the head but I want one anyway...

Currently I am most interested in either the Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 Tactical Enhanced.

I know the standard answer: Both.

For years I have wanted a Benelli M2 Tactical but was not motivated to spend the money, plus I was torn by the M4 fanbois who I see making good sounding arguments as to why one should get the M4 instead of the M2.

The Beretta 1301 Tactical seemed like a great shotgun, and I would sometimes be tempted to purchase one, but I would look at the cost and figure for a couple hundred more I could get Benelli M2 and would pass on the Beretta.

But this spring TFB TV had a pretty convincing review of the Beretta 1301 Tactical, which left me thinking the Beretta would be a better choice than the M2... but then two weeks ago Garand Thumb put out a great video on the M4 / M1014 that left me convinced that I had to go the Benelli M4 route, and then this past Saturday SkyHawk started a great thread on the new Beretta 1301 Tactical Enhanced.

Which left me scratching my head.

Beretta 1301 Tactical Enhanced:
PROS:
  • Lighter than Benelli M4 by about 2 pounds
  • Smoother, more refined edges than Benelli M4
  • Already configured in 7 round configuration
  • Cost less than Benelli M4 (plus additional $$ would need to be invested into M4 to convert to 7 round)
CONS:
  • Plastic parts
  • Does not have the battle-proven pedigree of the M4

Benelli M4

PROS:
  • It is the Benelli M4 baby!
  • Battle proven pedigree
  • Easier availability (currently)
CONS:
  • Almost 25% heavier than the Beretta 1301
  • Need to purchase and install additional parts to convert to 7 rounds
  • Costlier than Beretta 1301
  • Not as smoothed out as the Beretta 1301
Given this dilemma, I did some searching --> MrGunsNGear put out a decent video doing a basic comparison/pros & cons between the M4 and the 1301, but it just left me wanting both.

The lighter weight of the 1301 is a pretty convincing factor; if I am shooting for an hour the difference is probably not a big deal: If I am taking a four day class - that weight is significant.

...but then again the latest 1301 costs more than the M2 and the M2 weighs about the same as the the 1301, so perhaps that is the route to go...

The debate in my head is endless...



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No question in my mind which one I’d take, the Beretta without a doubt.
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Just a newbies perspective here. If it goes down to battle proven pedigree without a doubt its the M4 also aesthetics I find the M4 give that macho look, lol.
But hopefully somebody would do an actual video of both shooting the same loads even if just hundreds of rounds through it from the cheapest light loads to powerful fighting loads without cleaning. Thats probably objective and reasonable enough.
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There was a big thread on this subject a month or two ago.

Bottom line: You want a gamer gun, get the Beretta. Want a combat gun, get the Benelli.
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There was a big thread on this subject a month or two ago.

Bottom line: You want a gamer gun, get the Beretta. Want a combat gun, get the Benelli.
Thanks - I searched for M4 - but stupidly not the Beretta 1301.

This thread?

It looks like Arms Unlimited has the 1310 LE for $1350 - but it looks to be Gen 1 - no choke and less than ideal bolt/shell release?

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Gen 2: threaded choke and a revised bolt/shell release. There are shrouds made for the gen1 (aridus and one direct from Beretta) so you don't accidently release the whole magtube of shells onto the lifter. Plenty of vids on youtube highlighting the "issue"
So what is the difference between the Gen 2 1301 LE and the 1301 Tactical Enhanced besides $150?

Yikes the Gen 2 LE version is selling for $1999 on GunBroker.

Anyone know of decent deals on either the new Tactical Enhanced or Gen 2 LE models?
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Have you checked sportsman's warehouse? They seem to be in stock pretty frequently...
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Have you checked sportsman's warehouse? They seem to be in stock pretty frequently...
According to their website they only carry the "regular" 1301 Tactical, the 1301 Tactical Marine, and the 1301 Comp.

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There was a big thread on this subject a month or two ago.

Bottom line: You want a gamer gun, get the Beretta. Want a combat gun, get the Benelli.
Exactly. The beretta is a great gun and will last a lifetime but the benelli was just built like a tank
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I have the Benelli M4 and like it a lot, it's a really sweet shooter. However, I've been very intrigued by the Beretta 1301 and the fact that it's lighter than the Benelli, so I might be getting a 1301 in my near future. OP, too bad you're not in So-cal, (I'm guessing). I have an M4 with carrier comp (real mag tube) that I might be selling soon.
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Good luck finding an M4 under $2500. I've owned the M4. I'm quite happy with my 1301 and don't feel a need to go back to the Benelli, not that there's anything wrong with it.
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If I wanted an M4, I'd buy the Toros clone 10 times out of 10. You could probably score a 1301 AND the T4 for the price of an M4.
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Good luck finding an M4 under $2500. I've owned the M4. I'm quite happy with my 1301 and don't feel a need to go back to the Benelli, not that there's anything wrong with it.
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If I wanted an M4, I'd buy the Toros clone 10 times out of 10. You could probably score a 1301 AND the T4 for the price of an M4.
Eurooptic has it in stock for $1799 + $10 shipping and they pick up the tax.

Toros Corolla T4 $1399 opening bid. ...looks like most are $899

The Gen 1 1301 Tactical LE is available for $1350, but the Gen 2 1301 Tactical Police and the 1301 Tactical 'enhanced' (pistol grip/mag extension) are selling for as much or more than the Benelli M4. Lots of places show those 1301s for $1350-$1499, but none have it in stock.

Reading about the M4 clones it sounds like most of them are close, but not exact clones.

If Stoeger made an M4 clone I would be very interested. The Stoeger M3000 series look to be decent clones of the Benelli M2.
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Reading about the M4 clones it sounds like most of them are close, but not exact clones.

Supposedly the Toros has 100% parts compatibility with the M4.
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I currently own a 590A1 and I always thought about checking out an M4. Is the quality/reliability much better? Not looking to start an argument. Just a serious urge to educate myself. The last few visits to a gun store were not successful since there has been limited inventory.
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This is my 2 cents opinion! If it's for military actual combat used Benelli M4 is the choice bar none , but for weekened shopping mall ninja type boys or civilian used definitely 1301, lighter, smoother and reliable.
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I vote Benelli M4. I’ve always wanted one too.
Had the M2 Tactical which was an amazing fun but regrettably sold it off. I can’t even remember why.
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I currently own a 590A1 and I always thought about checking out an M4. Is the quality/reliability much better? Not looking to start an argument. Just a serious urge to educate myself. The last few visits to a gun store were not successful since there has been limited inventory.
The 20" 590A1 with ghost ring sights is my favorite pump shotgun. Just as you described, high quality and reliability.

The question is what is the equivalent of the 590A1

The 930SPX is supposedly Mossberg's semi-auto equivalent of the 590, but I don't trust it like I do the 590A1.
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The gen 2 enhanced is kinda a misnomer. One piece tube with plastic cover and clamp same setup as the gen 1 LE but us made like a few other parts in the gun. Loading port, bolt release and safety are the same. So really wheres the magic? The Nordic tube and clamp is nice and no plastic.
922r yeah that’s it’s own boogeyman.

M4 vs 1301 time will tell. Beretta was no slouch when it designed the 1301 and I’ve spent time behind both after buying them. If I had to pick I’ll take the $2500 for the m4 and buy another 1301. Get a gen 2 in one flavor or another and you’ll be a happy camper.
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https://gunprime.com/products/berett...arrel-j131t18c
These seem to pop up weekly on their site.
$1218 shipped out the door when I got mine from them.
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I'd get the Marine model in case of pirates'.........Have fun.
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They're out of stock, but I'd give the Langdon Tactical 1301 a good look too. LTT has been working magic on Berettas for a long time.
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They're both sexy beasts.
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Buy a Benelli M4, you won't need another shotgun.. The ARGO system is unique to the M4 and it's built for combat.

My 2 cents is stay away from anything Turkish, they're junk clones.
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My .02 on this after watching both closely right next to me in many Classes is that the Beretta is much easier to run than the Benelli.

The Beretta runs just like any other SA shotgun. The Benelli has that stupid Shell Trip that you have to remember to deal with when you really don't want to.

Both are excellent guns, and which ever one you get should be taken to Front Sight for several shotgun classes so you can really learn how to run it and drill the hell out of it, so you can actually reap the rewards of using a $15-2000 shotgun. If you are not willing to do that then you might as well just save your money for something else.

My Personal Favorite is my Browning A5 which is easier to run, faster and more reliable than either one of the Italian guns.



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I have them both. The M4 is absolute butter. Have had it for many years, and it has an extended tube, Sidearmor rail/shell holder and Surefire light. It literally lobs slugs into an 8" plate over and over again at 100yds. That extra weight and heft results in very manageable recoil. The Beretta is startling lighter. You do feel more recoil. Bought it at SW for $999, if I recall correctly. It's the Gen2 Tactical. The M4's are priced pretty high these days. To get one outfitted the way I have mine would be knocking on the door of $3k. At today's prices if I could have only one, I'd still get the M4 because I can waste the money, but I'd recommend the Beretta over the M4 every time as a FAR superior value. Both run flawlessly, as in NEVER have had an issue with either. M4 took a few hundred rounds before it would cycle dove loads. Beretta ate them right away.
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I am friends with two LEO's who each own the Benelli M4. They were both generous to allow me to fondle their M4.

Its a beast. Heavy and built for rough house use and then some. While I appreciated the heavy duty construction of the M4, for my preference I will take a lighter more svelte shotgun. My Stoeger M3K comes to mind.

I have no experience whatsoever handling/fondling the Beretta 1301 Tactical Enhanced.

OP, if its the LAST shotgun you anticipate to buy, or you are flush with cash, or perhaps you just want an M4, get it. Its robust, well made, made for heavy duty use.

As an analogy, I think the the Benelli M4 is an H1 Hammer, while the Beretta 1301 is more akin to a Cadillac Escalade.

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My .02 on this after watching both closely right next to me in many Classes is that the Beretta is much easier to run than the Benelli.

The Beretta runs just like any other SA shotgun. The Benelli has that stupid Shell Trip that you have to remember to deal with when you really don't want to.

Both are excellent guns, and which ever one you get should be taken to Front Sight for several shotgun classes so you can really learn how to run it and drill the hell out of it, so you can actually reap the rewards of using a $15-2000 shotgun. If you are not willing to do that then you might as well just save your money for something else.

My Personal Favorite is my Browning A5 which is easier to run, faster and more reliable than either one of the Italian guns.



Nothing beats good old American Iron. Just remember who won all the World Wars and who designed alot of the guns we used to do it. JMB!.

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I paid $600 for that gun. I spent another $110 on the Mag Extension from Briley. It gives me 7+1 then I refinished the wood and did some minor touch up on the bluing. I can get hits on 4 targets in <2.7 seconds every time, and my best is 2.0 ! Part of the training in those classes is learning how to control the recoil so it doesn't push you over backwards.

It was made in 1963 and has the "Speed Feed" Feature where if the gun is empty, and you shove a round into the magazine, It Automatically feeds it into the chamber making the gun ready to fire. This is much faster than Port Loading it. Another drill we do is start with one round in the gun, fire, port load, fire, and then port load again, finish with a loaded gun. since I am Speed Feeding I only have one thing to do,,, whereas others have 2-3 things for each reload. I am done before they get off their second shot. This all happens in 2.1 seconds

If the bolt is open the gun is empty. period. You are never going to pull the trigger on an Empty Gun as the bolt is open,,, period pretty easy to figure out under stress. The only way you can pull the trigger with a closed bolt and not get a bang, is if you have a dead round. Then you grab the bolt handle and cycle it manually.

These guns are out there by the thousands, and if you got one for $6-700 you would still have enough money to go to some classes and learn how to run it. Also there is no ATF BS with these guns, because they don't even make them any more. Arguably the best Semi Auto Shotguns ever made, and the design is 120 years old.

Here it is with the Hastings Fully Rifled barrel now it's a .73 Caliber Rifle



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It was made in 1963 and has the "Speed Feed" Feature where if the gun is empty, and you shove a round into the magazine, It Automatically feeds it into the chamber making the gun ready to fire. This is much faster than Port Loading it. Another drill we do is start with one round in the gun, fire, port load, fire, and then port load again, finish with a loaded gun. since I am Speed Feeding I only have one thing to do,,, whereas others have 2-3 things for each reload. I am done before they get off their second shot. This all happens in 2.1 seconds


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is there a good way to identify which of these guns have the Speed Feed feature? Would all of the guns after a certain serial number include it? Also would the Speed Feed guns all have the 2-piece lifter that allows the user to top off a partially empty tube?
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I have both the M2 and 1301 tactical. I can tell you first hand from a functioning standpoint the 1301 is head and shoulders above the M2. It will cycle EVERYTHING FROM 3" down to low recoil buck and even light ttap loads in the 1100fps range. My M2 will not. The 1301 will eject federal bulk walmart 1 1/8oz 1200fps shells with authority. Ejecting 5-8ft away. The M2 will dribble them out most of the time but I can induce a malfunction at anytime by simply holding the stock super tight and its a guaranteed stovepipe. If you run buckshot or high base both are very equal and neither will give you any trouble or need cleaning for thousands of rounds. I like a gun that will eat anything you can get your hands on in an ammo crunch and that would be a 1301.
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There was a big thread on this subject a month or two ago.

Bottom line: You want a gamer gun, get the Beretta. Want a combat gun, get the Benelli.
Well, I have 10s of thousands of rounds through my gamer guns and I have found them to be very reliable.

I went through the same dilemma some time ago and got the Beretta 1301 Marine though part of the reason was that the M4 was not lefty friendly.
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Well, I just watched John Wick 2. He killed a lot of people with the Benelli M4. So….
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I have come to the conclusion that I have to have both shotguns.

I can't afford to purchase them both right now... heck I can't really afford to purchase even one of them right now...

I placed an order this evening and then made a payment to that credit card, paying a bit more than 1/3 of what I had just charged to the card. I plan on making payments over the next 60 days to pay it off before December.

Now to start buying other stuff - light, optic, shell carriers, sling, etc...

I'll post a photo once I have it in hand...

I may post another thread about optic & flashlight... dang good stuff is expensive!
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i'd go with the m4 without a doubt...
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I'd go with the 1301 without a doubt...
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i'd go with the m4 without a doubt...
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I'd go with the 1301 without a doubt...


You two summed up my thoughts exactly!
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If somebody out there has the disposable income to buy both and do an OUT OF THE BOX reliability test. With a variety of ammo 1000 rounds each of the same ammo. That would be nice. And post a video of it here please.
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If torn between bennelli and beretta then let me throw in one more. Breda http://bredausa.com/products/

Benelli bought the rights to the M2 recoil system. Either way you go with you will have a great shotgun.
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You two summed up my thoughts exactly!

hahaha...verbatim!!! well at least i said it first LOL

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Well, I have 10s of thousands of rounds through my gamer guns and I have found them to be very reliable.

I went through the same dilemma some time ago and got the Beretta 1301 Marine though part of the reason was that the M4 was not lefty friendly.
I didn't mean "gamer" disparagingly. Just that it's designed for fast shooting and loading. But it's not designed for the military, and the M4 is.
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