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Old 08-29-2022, 7:13 AM
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These days its not unusual to order a weapon instead of buying one that is already in stock. When it finally arrives, sometimes after a lengthy delay, how many of you would reject it if it had a small scratch or ding?
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Old 08-29-2022, 7:32 AM
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I returned a Savage once which had a hairline crack on the upper left part of the stock, opposite the bolt side. It was barely noticeable, but I didn't want it breaking off in the future. It slipped through quality control.
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Personally when I buy something new I would prefer it didn't have any blemishes.
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I was shopping at Cabelas for a over under winchester shotgun.. the first one looked like it had been in a war NEW, I asked do you have another that isnt so beat up she said yes went back and got it, Walnut stock almost black perfect match to the forearm so i snagged it,

i asked why the first one was beat up i heard something to the effect of bad management they have us put them in a cart on top of each other every night to the vault, what a waste
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A while ago, I was shopping for a 12ga O/U and decided on a Browning Cynergy. Wild Sports in Orangevale (sadly now a 7/11 gas station) had a good price and several in stock. I went through all four but found issues w fit and finish on every one of them and they would not make any adjustments on price. I passed on them all. As it turns out, it was a good thing because I found a Citori Lightning Feather w 26"bbls at Sportsmans the next day. It had a tiny ding in the stock and they offered to cut 5% off the price. Glad I took them up on it bc it quickly became my favorite shotgun.

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If I'm paying for a brand new firearm (which is all I buy now), it shouldn't have scratches or dings of ANY kind.
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A small scratch or ding that doesn't affect function is NOTHING. It's a firearm not a museum piece.

Like when some people buy a new truck the first thing they do is Rhinoliner to protect the bed from..........what?

It's a freaking TRUCK already.
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A small scratch or ding that doesn't affect function is NOTHING. It's a firearm not a museum piece.

Like when some people buy a new truck the first thing they do is Rhinoliner to protect the bed from..........what?

It's a freaking TRUCK already.

That's quite true. As long as it doesn't affect performance or durability.
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I bought a Colt Combat Elite and the beautiful Colt blue slide was marred on one side by oil that dried which was on the cheap plastic wrap. Nice little circles you could see almost too easily. I didn't send it back like most would have, I broke it in then sold it, to my regret.
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Super depends. If it's something I would do while using, I'd keep it. If it is super wonky and is obviously a mfg blem that a user couldn't do, I'd probably say something.
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A small scratch or ding that doesn't affect function is NOTHING. It's a firearm not a museum piece.

Like when some people buy a new truck the first thing they do is Rhinoliner to protect the bed from..........what?

It's a freaking TRUCK already.
You do you...I want to be the first person to put any scratches or dings on anything brand new that I purchase. Guns, trucks, appliances, whatever.
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I went my fav LGS to buy some firearm related accessories, and spotted a Kimber Pro Carry II in the case. I asked to see itvand as I was handling it, I noticed it was pretty scratched up. So I made a joke that they should sell it to me for a good price rather put a beat up gun back in their case. We arrive at a number and he puts it back in the case. I asked what's going on, thought we had a deal. He smiles and says, we do, but you bought a brand new gun, so I am getting you a brand new gun.

I broke mine out of the plastic wrapimg bag.


And things like that is why Blue Collar Firearms is a fav among those in the inland empire.

Scratches, we don't need no stinkin scratches.
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I went my fav LGS to buy some firearm related accessories, and spotted a Kimber Pro Carry II in the case. I asked to see itvand as I was handling it, I noticed it was pretty scratched up. So I made a joke that they should sell it to me for a good price rather put a beat up gun back in their case. We arrive at a number and he puts it back in the case. I asked what's going on, thought we had a deal. He smiles and says, we do, but you bought a brand new gun, so I am getting you a brand new gun.

I broke mine out of the plastic wrapimg bag.


And things like that is why Blue Collar Firearms is a fav among those in the inland empire.

Scratches, we don't need no stinkin scratches.

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I would be picky, the vast majority of firearms aren't exactly considered cheap to most, you are dropping a good amount of money. I am pretty knit picky about my guns overall, the way I look at it is if someone is going to put some wear and tear or scratches on a gun then let it be me and not someone else .
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Honestly it would depend on A: How significant the damage is, and B: How much did you spend on the thing/what type of gun is it. If it's not something collectable and will be a carry/range gun, I wouldn't care if it's just a small scratch or something. It'll acquire those anyways and it's really not worth the hassle of sending it back and waiting for a replacement over something so small.
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I'd rather On-Line order a new gun rather than out of the LGS display, because who knows how many times its been dry fired or worst by junior grade employees, Junior's friends, etc after hours. I screwed up my 870 (I think) bending some of those flat thingys on a re-assemble learning exp.

To me dings on a new gun must mean lack of supervision and skill at all levels.
Don't they figure out ways to handle parts and secure in gig, etc so any ding is a rare event? I'd love to see what goes on on the factory floor. I've done building trade work and its perfectly normal to do 100s of high skill special installs of fragile items in a row.

Whats much worse is all the reports of new guns just not working. If QC is hard to do, at least put it through its paces with a few rds of diff ammo and limp-wristing etc. And if someone shows you a youtube of them loading factory ammo and gun not working that should be a new gun, not "Uh, I guess we'll try to fix it".
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Ha, I'm the opposite of most of you. I am trying to avoid buying any more new guns because why do you need a brand new, virgin, untouched gun? The overall quality has gone down the past decade, the amount of initial defects have gone up. New guns, overall, don't seem to be what they were 10-20 years ago. Get yourself an FFL03 (or don't if you're not going out of state) and buy some real guns that have experienced life, been used to defend someone's country, maybe killed some Nazis or if you're buying German guns, may have been used to kill some Allies.

As I go through my safe, most of my "new" guns just aren't that interesting. They're fine tools and I am glad I have them but most of them are soulless, characterless, plastic and aluminum, as about as viscerally exciting as a new pair of pliers. All of my most interesting guns are wood and steel and have lots of dings, scratches, holster wear, etc. Even my first gun, a Kmart Made in Brazil, probably by Imbel, single shot 20ga that I used to take plenty of rabbits and birds, great gun that I paid $59 for when I was 18 at the gun counter at Kmart.

Although FWIW, yes, if I ordered a new gun, I wouldn't be happy or accept it if it was dinged up, unless the seller offered some bucks off or threw in a few boxes of ammo as recompense for the damage.
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Ha, I'm the opposite of most of you. I am trying to avoid buying any more new guns because why do you need a brand new, virgin, untouched gun? The overall quality has gone down the past decade, the amount of initial defects have gone up. New guns, overall, don't seem to be what they were 10-20 years ago. Get yourself an FFL03 (or don't if you're not going out of state) and buy some real guns that have experienced life, been used to defend someone's country, maybe killed some Nazis or if you're buying German guns, may have been used to kill some Allies.

As I go through my safe, most of my "new" guns just aren't that interesting. They're fine tools and I am glad I have them but most of them are soulless, characterless, plastic and aluminum, as about as viscerally exciting as a new pair of pliers. All of my most interesting guns are wood and steel and have lots of dings, scratches, holster wear, etc. Even my first gun, a Kmart Made in Brazil, probably by Imbel, single shot 20ga that I used to take plenty of rabbits and birds, great gun that I paid $59 for when I was 18 at the gun counter at Kmart.

Although FWIW, yes, if I ordered a new gun, I wouldn't be happy or accept it if it was dinged up, unless the seller offered some bucks off or threw in a few boxes of ammo as recompense for the damage.
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For me I'm of the thought the more I pay for something, the higher my expectation becomes when inspecting a firearm.

Less than $1000? I'll let a few things slide.
Close to $10K? Yeah, I'm gonna start whining and bitching on any blemish.
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For me I'm of the thought the more I pay for something, the higher my expectation becomes when inspecting a firearm.

Less than $1000? I'll let a few things slide.
Close to $10K? Yeah, I'm gonna start whining and bitching on any blemish.
It is funny because I feel the same way, it's like I expect utter perfection on said item that I paid a lot for. When I discover something as small as a blemish on a gun that I forked out a lot of cash for, I feel like I got duped and I am not getting my money's worth .
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So I recently bought a Henry 45-70 model X. The rear sight was never installed. I decided to blow it off rather than find myself waiting a month (or maybe many more) to get the actual rifle. Same story as getting a pistol that's off roster. If it's something you want you are willing to pay a premium.
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depends on what you're getting it for. all my guns are supposed to be tools. i only have one gun that has and deserves masterpiece and art status, and that's an m&p 2.0 fde with thumb safety. nothing else even comes close.

that said, i won't carry ugly guns. so if someone butchers their gun with a bad stipple job, i'll pass on that. same with glocks and revolvers
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A small scratch or ding that doesn't affect function is NOTHING. It's a firearm not a museum piece.

Like when some people buy a new truck the first thing they do is Rhinoliner to protect the bed from..........what?

It's a freaking TRUCK already.
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A small scratch or ding that doesn't affect function is NOTHING. It's a firearm not a museum piece.

Like when some people buy a new truck the first thing they do is Rhinoliner to protect the bed from..........what?

It's a freaking TRUCK already.
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Hahaha agreed 100%
I'd bet good money that if any of you were taking delivery on your brand new $100,000 crew cab diesel 4x4 truck....and it had a baseball size dent on it....you wouldn't just say, "oh it's ok, it's just a truck"

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If it's new then it comes down to how much does a scratch or ding bother you, the heck with what anyone else thinks.

If I'm buying one that will get passed down as inheritance or a gift later on, I wouldn't want scratches or dings on it but that's just me.

Guns aren't museum pieces? Uh, some are, and everyone has their own idea of value and how condition affects their perception of the same.




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I agree, that's exactly why many people choose to gold plate their firearms and rifles, for show much like jewelry .
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depends on what you're getting it for. all my guns are supposed to be tools. i only have one gun that has and deserves masterpiece and art status, and that's an m&p 2.0 fde with thumb safety. nothing else even comes close.

that said, i won't carry ugly guns. so if someone butchers their gun with a bad stipple job, i'll pass on that. same with glocks and revolvers
Wait ,revolvers are ugly guns, like Glocks?
Please tell me that's a typo!
Glocks ugly,yes, all revolvers NOOO!
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If I'm paying for a brand new firearm (which is all I buy now), it shouldn't have scratches or dings of ANY kind.
I agree. If it's not pristine, it's not really "new" as far as I'm concerned. Scratches and dings are a hallmark of "used." If I buy "new," I'D like to be the one to put the scratches and dings on it as I make it "used."
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Wait ,revolvers are ugly guns, like Glocks?
Please tell me that's a typo!
Glocks ugly,yes, all revolvers NOOO!
revolvers are ugly to me. they feel fat and inefficient
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I'd bet good money that if any of you were taking delivery on your brand new $100,000 crew cab diesel 4x4 truck....and it had a baseball size dent on it....you wouldn't just say, "oh it's ok, it's just a truck"

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My gold plated Colt Python would disagree with you .
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My guns are tools, not art. I use and abuse em. Esthetics don't matter, function does. Shiny flawless weapons scream noob...I watch out for noobs with guns. Many have zero common sense.

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These days its not unusual to order a weapon instead of buying one that is already in stock. When it finally arrives, sometimes after a lengthy delay, how many of you would reject it if it had a small scratch or ding?
If Iím paying for new I want it to be new
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