GSG 1911-22; Added the CW accessory kit, having some issues. (mostly fixed)

[B2D]

Here's my thought - I'd never tinkered with guns before so I thought this mught be a cheap way to generally learn how to mod up a gun. But if it's an overall unsatisfying experience, and I can't get it to run the way I want within a reasonably small cost, I'll just sell it and buy a Buckmark and then later on see if i can find an old Colt Ace or Walther/Colt for the 1911-22 thing.

I love the form factor on the thing, I just want it to shoot more accurately than it currently does.

[ysr_racer]

Don't listen to these jerkoffs, it's a fine gun. It's not a $3000 Wilson, but it didn't cost $3000.

It's a fun little gun, especially for the money.

[1911Luvr]

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle

Since this thread is about issues with a CW accessory kit on a pot metal GSG and your advice was to turn it into a “racegun,” I might have saved someone a lot of money. So you’re welcome.

Actually that wasn’t my advice, but based on the fact you freely give your opinion about something you have zero experience with I’m not surprised you got this wrong too.


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[DueceMcGurk]

OP sorry about your problems. But this thread is a good case history and a reminder of what upgrading a weapon (pistol, rifle, bow) can become. On the bright side, you will come out with a better understanding of the GSG than the original designer. Thanks for sharing (painful projects sometimes don't make it to forums). Hope it works out well in the end.

[B2D]

Originally Posted by DueceMcGurk

OP sorry about your problems. But this thread is a good case history and a reminder of what upgrading a weapon (pistol, rifle, bow) can become. On the bright side, you will come out with a better understanding of the GSG than the original designer. Thanks for sharing (painful projects sometimes don't make it to forums). Hope it works out well in the end.

I agree, it'll make for a good experience-builder project.

I still might get a buckmark anyway because I like those.

I'll be taking it to the range tomorrow. I made a small check-sheet of what combinations of parts will allow the gun to work and what doesn't. It'll be interesting to see what I find.

[Musubi1000]

Please keep us updated as I made the mistake of purchasing the Tandemkross accurizing kit that is NOT COMPATIBLE with the CA version. The CA version has the barrel with the non removable end. The Tandemkross version replaces the end of the barrel with a new belled out end which tightens up the tolerances on a non CA barrel. I checked with American Tactical and they can’t send the standard threaded barrel to CA. Although my GSG is not the most reliable plinker it really is a lot of fun especially with the Dawson Precision sights I installed.

[newbutold]

^^^^^Good shooting

[B2D]

Originally Posted by Musubi1000

Please keep us updated as I made the mistake of purchasing the Tandemkross accurizing kit that is NOT COMPATIBLE with the CA version. The CA version has the barrel with the non removable end. The Tandemkross version replaces the end of the barrel with a new belled out end which tightens up the tolerances on a non CA barrel. I checked with American Tactical and they can’t send the standard threaded barrel to CA. Although my GSG is not the most reliable plinker it really is a lot of fun especially with the Dawson Precision sights I installed.

ZR tactical will put an alignment cone on a CA barrel if you purchase their accurizing kit and send them the barrel with the receipt.

And yes, good shooting, far better than what I'm getting at 10 yards.

[Musubi1000]

Thanks B2D

[bluzman]

I bought my GSG 1911-22 in March 2017. It ran great straight out of the gate after I cleaned and lubed it. Like the OP, I decided to install an upgrade kit from CWA. The pistol immediately began to have the problem you've described. I sent the following message to CWA.

I recently purchased the "Shooters Special 4" kit in my GSG 1911-22 (CA version). Prior to the installation, the stock pistol had been field stripped, cleaned, lubed. Then 100 rds of approx. equal amounts of 40 gr Remington, Federal and Aguila .22LR (all with muzzle velocities more than 1,200 feet per second) loaded into 3 different magazines were fired with no failures of any kind occurring.

The pistol was stripped and cleaned after that and then the kit components were installed. As part of the installation, the Frame Hole Plug kit was installed first. All observable metal shavings produced by tapping the hole in the slide were removed. A small amount of Blue Loctite was used on the plug screw but care was taken to insure none was present on the inside of the slide before reassembly. The guide rod was assembled by first sliding on the blue shock buffer, then the supplied metal washer and finally the new recoil spring. The new bushing and spring retainer replaced the stock parts.

Another range test using the same ammo/mags produced a failure of the slide to go fully into battery on every shot after the first round. A slight tap always put the slide in battery. Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

I don't still have the email reply but IIRC it suggested continuing to shoot the pistol until the new parts were broken in. My solution was to reinstall the original barrel bushing at which point everything performed normally. Since then, the only other mod I made was to remove the mag safety.

As an aside, I'll should note that I saw similar behavior (a tap required to achieve full battery) on a .22WMR pistol I own. In that case, I found that the top of the lips on two of the three mags I had (all OEM) were binding ever so slightly on underside of the slide. A little work with a stone to remove a couple of thousandths cured the problem.

[B2D]

Originally Posted by bluzman

I bought my GSG 1911-22 in March 2017. It ran great straight out of the gate after I cleaned and lubed it. Like the OP, I decided to install an upgrade kit from CWA. The pistol immediately began to have the problem you've described...

I don't still have the email reply but IIRC it suggested continuing to shoot the pistol until the new parts were broken in. My solution was to reinstall the original barrel bushing at which point everything performed normally. Since then, the only other mod I made was to remove the mag safety.

As an aside, I'll should note that I saw similar behavior (a tap required to achieve full battery) on a .22WMR pistol I own. In that case, I found that the top of the lips on two of the three mags I had (all OEM) were binding ever so slightly on underside of the slide. A little work with a stone to remove a couple of thousandths cured the problem.

Well I'm glad I'm not alone in that issue.

I'm waiting on some Dawson sights for the pistol. After that I'll get the finish overspray off the rails, and shoot it again with the stock bushing but with the CW guide rod. We'll see how it goes.

One other thing I might do after that is change the thumb safety as the current one digs into my thumb when firing.

[ysr_racer]

I'm back in the good old U.S. of A. if you want to see mine with Dawson sights and an EGW bushing.

[B2D]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

I'm back in the good old U.S. of A. if you want to see mine with Dawson sights and an EGW bushing.

Will contact you soon. My Dawson sights come in the mail tomorrow.

[ysr_racer]

Did you ever figure out why it wasn't going into battery?

[newbutold]

Anyone remove the end piece on a CA roster GSG? Don't want to wreck my barrel, but curious if it would unscrew.......

[1911Luvr]

Originally Posted by newbutold

Anyone remove the end piece on a CA roster GSG? Don't want to wreck my barrel, but curious if it would unscrew.......

It will not. It’s not threaded.


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[newbutold]

Originally Posted by 1911Luvr

It will not. It’s not threaded.

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Thanks and Merry Christmas!

[Musubi1000]

Originally Posted by newbutold

Anyone remove the end piece on a CA roster GSG? Don't want to wreck my barrel, but curious if it would unscrew.......

Do not attempt. It will not unscrew. It is hydraulically pressed on. You will damage your barrel if you do.

[newbutold]

Originally Posted by Musubi1000

Do not attempt. It will not unscrew. It is hydraulically pressed on. You will damage your barrel if you do.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by newbutold

Anyone remove the end piece on a CA roster GSG? Don't want to wreck my barrel, but curious if it would unscrew.......

Just curious, why do you want to unscrew it?

If it's for accuracy, just order a custom bushing from EGW.

[newbutold]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Just curious, why do you want to unscrew it?

If it's for accuracy, just order a custom bushing from EGW.

Just curious how they made it Ca legal since it is threaded in other states.

[Musubi1000]

Originally Posted by newbutold

Just curious how they made it Ca legal since it is threaded in other states.

The end of the CA barrel is not threaded and after the end cap is press fit on it essentially is now a solid barrel. Unless you put your barrel in a vice and wrench off the cap like I did. Doh!

[1911Luvr]

Originally Posted by Musubi1000

The end of the CA barrel is not threaded and after the end cap is press fit on it essentially is now a solid barrel. Unless you put your barrel in a vice and wrench off the cap like I did. Doh!

At least I’m not the only one who had to throw away a barrel!


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[B2D]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Did you ever figure out why it wasn't going into battery?

I'm fitting some Dawson sights to it before taking it to the range again. Best i can tell from working the action at home, it was the bushing. The issue doesn't happen with the stock bushing and the pin in. Which is just strange to me b/c the CW bushing is big enough that it should work.

Maybe not having the pin in and the CW bushing was keeping the barrel at an odd angle and there was some sort of contact point that was making it hang up at some point?

I'll keep fiddling with it and report back on the next range trip. My 9's have been getting the trigger time as of late.

[ysr_racer]

GSG Range day? I'm in

[B2D]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

GSG Range day? I'm in

When and where's good?


I do have some positive news to report to y'all. I finally got the Dawson sights on my GSG and they are a MASSIVE improvement over the stock ones. I'm late to the party on this, I know. These really should have been the 1st thing to get.

I'm currently using the stock bushing but with the CW guide rod, spring plug, and variable recoil spring. Fire 200 rounds with no malfunctions whatsoever today.

On the next trip I'll try the CW bushing again and see if I get hangups.

The picture below is 50 rounds of CCI mini mag at about 15 yards. The groups aren't as tight as I'd like and the gun seems to be shooting a smidge high and left, but I don't know if that's me or not. The groups at the 6 and 9 oclock positions are me trying to hit the bullseye by adjusting POA.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tbDmpYLnfN84uPtz5

[ysr_racer]

I can't see the picture. Can anybody else?

[B2D]

How's that?

[ysr_racer]

I see it now.