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Featureless, bare lowers, and fixed magazine (based on the 2017 definition) do not qualify.
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So if I use a stripped lower to build a new AR-15 with assault weapon features in December, 2016, but made it "featureless" before the end of 2017, would it have to be Registered as an Assault Weapon?
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That being said, there is a lot of debating going on about this. So this is NOT legal advice. This is an opinion only.
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All confusing as usual - let's play devil's advocate and say BB stays on after AW registration.... that would leave (3) options 1. Pay $20, register as AW and BB stays 2. Add maglock (or device that requires action disassembly) and all other features stay with no additional registration 3. Make gun featureless with no registration Does this sound right? |
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From what I understand, that is correct. It doesn't matter if it's a .50 BMG upper for an AR or a .50 BMG barrel for an M-82; all .50 BMG conversions are verboten.
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So if I enter 2017 with an AR-15 that still has the evil features (let's say a pistol grip, for example), but also has a BB, how long into 2017 do I have before I have to register it as an AW?
Do I have register it by January 2 or March 31 or December 31?
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It has to be registered before January 1, 2018 Last edited by iano1; 12-15-2016 at 4:07 PM.. |
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So if I convert my evil-feature AR-15 to a featureless rifle by 12/30/2017, I don't need to register it - - right?
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Right. And you can even have an extra day, if you want it.
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Just as the bullet button does not allow you to put a 50 on a 2016 build, and just as you can not have a bullet button build that is shorter than 30". The ONLY thing that is changing is the definition of fixed/detachable magazine. The bullet button does not become an "evil feature". The 50BMG ban is not addressed or altered by the new laws.
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One need only look to the recent spate of break-ins in the LA area for why it is plainly stupid to foist this requirement on lawful gun owners. |
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Im trying to convince my son's martial arts instuctor to let me convert his AK and AR to featureless before the end of the year. He's the typical gun owner that is lost with all these new laws and has no clue what to do.
So, he says, well I have a year to register it, right? I tried to explain to him that on Jan 1 his guns will be considered assault rifles.. right? and that he can't take them out to the desert to shoot until he registers them.. right? I don't see a grace period where you can continue to use them as before until you get around to registering them. Is this right? They are pretty much in a grey area between Jan 1 and whenever you register them? I want him to go featureless, but I want to give him the correct info. He's Korean (been here 20 years) and doesn't see any sense in these new laws.
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But can you take it out and shoot it between Jan 1 and the date it's officially registered as an AW?
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1) It's registered. 2) It's within the year grace period between 1/1/17 and 12/31/17. 3) A bunch of other stuff like special weapons permits or for movies or whatever. I know a lot of people on here think that it can't be transported because it's not registered or what not, but in my opinion I think that's not practical or even realistic. In reality the law is written to give people a year to comply and that would indicate to any judge jury or DA that you have all of 2017 to register your assault weapon. If they wanted to say "And you cannot use your firearm until you comply" they would have. So in short, I'd tell him to keep shooting his BB rifle if he doesn't want to go featureless and register it by 2018. |
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I'm a newbie to all this, I just purchase a stripped AR lower and a decent 5.56 rifle kit that has the pistol grip, flash arrest, and the whole nine-yard CA compliant stuff to build it out (assume BB) is in the kit. So if I build it out prior to 12/31/2016 and then register it (RAW) then what is the harm in doing so? I don't see by simply exchanging out the BB with an ARMaglok allows me to circumvent registration? Thanks ...this site is awesome!
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It's my understanding that if you build out the AR15 in 2016 with a pistol grip, flash hider and a bullet button, you have until the end of next year to register it as an Assault Weapon. And, if you convert it to a "featureless rifle" (i.e., lose the pistol grip and flash hider, then dump the BB) before 01/01/2018 you don't ever have to register it as an Assault Weapon.
I hope that's right because that's exactly what I'm doing with my new, just completed build.
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Refer back to the first set of posts in this thread.
You can't carry it in your car unless going directly to/from home and some place to shoot it, you can only shoot it on property where you have permission and/or ranges. You can't It can never be transferred to another California resident... EVER... even your son, and you can't even hand it to a minor so if your son is under 18 he can not shoot it anywhere in the state. And you MUST build it out before Jan 1. Effective Jan 1, the bullet button does not exempt the rifle from AW laws and it is a felony to manufacture an AW. Your options are: Featureless Fixed magazine such as the Franklin DFM Patriot Button Registration Sell it out of state (through an FFL) Turn it in to PD Destroy it
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I have searched. I have read through threads. I apologize in advance if I missed something. I think I have this right but I need confirmation.
I have a stripped lower that I purchased and DROS'd in my name. I have subsequently built a complete rife on this platform. After Jan 1, 2017 I will only be able to register this under my name and not my spouses - correct? If I want to register it under her name in 2017 then I would need to transfer ownership (through the DOJ) of the rifle to her in 2016 - correct? Thanks in advance. |
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It remains to be seen if that will be possible this time. Most likely, we will find out after someone registers their rifle, then is accepted or rejected registering for their spouse.
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It would seem that if I wait to find out if it is rejected then I would run the risk of not being able to register it in her name and subsequently having to be with her whenever she chooses to shoot this rifle. She really likes this rifle and would like to be able to take it to the range without me, say on the way home from work. While there is a possibility of being able to register it in a spouses name during 2017 would it be a safer course of action to do the ownership change now to ensure the ability to register? The more I read and think this over the more I can't see a down side if the goal is to register it in her name. Or did I miss something? |
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Since you've missed today being the 10day transfer window for it to be 'delivered' in her name, no. Just wait and dual register it. If she takes delivery of it 1/1 she cannot register it and neither can you... if they didn't deny the transfer at all which is likely now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Edit: This is what I am referencing - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=194339 And http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=849790 Last edited by Flowjoe; 12-21-2016 at 10:51 PM.. |
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Whatever...they just don't want you stopping for chores, dining at restaurants, bars, stores, mini-marts, etc. and I can see the rationale. What would be the penalty if caught while at the mini-mart? No more donuts? Last edited by ifilef; 12-21-2016 at 10:53 PM.. |
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Oh actually you may be right, sorry if I'm confusing things. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I also came here with a spouse question, here's my understanding...
Her evil features BB rifle is in my name because I was active duty at time we got it, made things a bit easier. To make it really her rifle... 1) File Op Law form and $19 2) Register or make featureless by end of 2017. What I don't know, if our rifles are registered as RAW, must we keep them locked up from each other? Also, must the transfer be done prior to 2017? (Featureless really not an option) ETA: Or...if decide to register as RAW, just let her register it since it was purchased before the 2014 registration BS? Thanks, Mark
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PC 30955. The department’s registration procedures shall provide the option of joint registration for any assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle owned by family members residing in the same household. (Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.) Last edited by ifilef; 12-21-2016 at 11:08 PM.. |
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Overall we have to hope for 1-gun registered to several family members at 1 address - because to do otherwise looks like each RAW owner would need a separate safe to prevent access by other people.
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Gentlemen,
The issue I'm most concerned about is whether I have to register my (as of now) featureless AR and AK rifles as assault weapons before 1/1/2018. I have to believe if it has the same features as a M1A, then it should be treated as if the same.
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Transporting a RAW between your summer home in Mt. Shasta and your winter home in San Diego is going to necessitate some stops for gas, and surely restroom, and probably food. If you get a flat tire you have to fix it in order to get the RAW to an approved location. It seems unlikely that a DA would file charges and get a conviction for getting gas or repairing a flat tire under those circumstances. On the other hand, I live six blocks from a range. If I'm taking a RAW from my house to that range, and I go five miles across town for cheaper gas and breakfast "on the way", then I think a DA might charge it and get a conviction. The intent is obviously to limit transportation to between approved locations. Could you argue to an LEO, DA, and/or jury why your stop was a reasonable part of transporting between two approved locations? |
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GIVEN 1/1/2017 will make BB rifles an AW but we have that 2017 entire year to register them. Does that mean we can still take the BB rifles to the public range and shoot it and not get in trouble for that entire year of 2017?
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Ifilef, Mayor - take it to PM.
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Didn't see this covered anywhere but one has to wonder what the limitations will be on traveling to another state via plane/car/etc with said CA registered AW. There are pretty set locations on where the CA registered AW can go and out of state isn't covered, is it?
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And 30950 is why my son who is 17 but will turn 18 on the 1-3-17 can't register
A bullet button gun even though he was givin the rifle years back. For 2 days it would be illegal for him to possess it would have to be rendered back to featureless before the 1st which then cannot be registered. Is this correct |
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Technically he could not have been given the gun since not yet 18, so no he will not be able to register it. You could, if he continues to live with you after 18 then he should be able to dual register it but you cannot ever transfer it to his ownership while registered. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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