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Old 09-01-2019, 9:50 PM
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Default .22 for survival

If you were going to use a .22 rifle for procurement of game and also for possible anti-personnel defense what type would you use?

I've always been partial to the Ruger 10/22 but your opinion may vary.

Any good ideas?
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Old 09-01-2019, 9:56 PM
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ar 22

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10/22 is a good choice with bx25 mag or alangator trimag
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The ar7 floats. That might be handy for surviving the water world. Do you have a jetski?
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Old 09-01-2019, 10:51 PM
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Ruger 10/22 with a basic scope like Simmons or Tasco. No need to get fancy when shooting small game for the pot, or even 2-legged ones since .22lr doesn't have range or energy.
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I think I would get a Ruger 10/22 breakdown backpack model with a rail that would take the different optics ( red-dot, scope, etc.) I could put in that same backpack.

I would upgrade all the parts I could do myself like trigger, extended mag release, nice sling, installing the scope rail if necessary, high visibility front and rear sights. Etc..
Keeping all the original Factory stock parts in the same backpack.

Yet I would always keep in mind that I wouldn't want to over modify it in a way that would interfere with me changing it's back to its original condition, in case I have to change out any broken or damaged parts. Parts that I obtain from the billions of other Ruger 10/22 rifles sitting in a lot of closets because they're dead from the plague or zombee apocalypse.


And lots and lots of magazines. I know Factory Ruger ones work great but I don't think I would be too particular in shtf.
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Actually for survival get a .22 pellet rifle. You can afford to stockpile ammo by the tens of thousands for cheap and they drop game like no other. Also more quite and less frowned upon in city limits.
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Wait, can I change my answer.?

( from a rifle of America's past the fully automatic American - 180 a drum fed 22 long rifle.)

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https://youtu.be/ipNGB7O9WlY

If you think about any long-lasting shtf scenarios where the current population is still alive , all the game animals will be quickly be eaten.

So if you're going 22 long rifle you better make it sound real good.


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Friend lives up in the mountain off-the-grid. He always keeps a 10/22 by his bed. Always.
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10/22 and a comfortable sling.
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22lr is great for varmint control and is better than a poke i the eye with a sharp stick or strong language should the need to repel boarders exist if in a WWROL.

I'll go AK x39, Glock 9mm, 6' 2-piece fishing pole and lots of hooks and line for survival.

**Surviving on shot game animals will need some thinking before you attempt to slowly starve to death doing so.

**An average squirrel weighs about 1 lb on the hoof. Once dressed you have a little more than 1/2 that and renders about 270 calories/critter. 4 critters per meal time X 2 meals per day is 2160 calories per day intake per person, Now multiply that by how many people that will need feeding. Ouch is right!
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30,000,000 10/22's can't be all wrong.
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I wouldn't use one. If things get that bad there will not be any game left in short order and living off the land is a fantasy that will get you killed.

AR 15 based platform is what I will be carrying.

Never have the smallest gun in a gun fight when your life is on the line.

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What about an AR with a good 22 kit for the backpack?
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If I recall, during WWII, US soldiers stationed in Alaska/ Aleutian Islands were issued suppressed 22lr for hunting and M1 garand in case the Japanese invaded Alaska.
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If I recall, during WWII, US soldiers stationed in Alaska/ Aleutian Islands were issued suppressed 22lr for hunting and M1 garand in case the Japanese invaded Alaska.
https://www.history.com/topics/world...eutian-islands


Attu and Kiska...............Japanese actually did invade Aleutian Islands, and built garrisons on both, and an airfield on Kiska. Held them for almost a year.

Quite an interesting, but little known today, part of WWII history. An uncle of mine, lost 3 toes to frostbite there.

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https://www.history.com/topics/world...eutian-islands


Attu and Kiska...............Japanese actually did invade Aleutian Islands, and built garrisons on both, and an airfield on Kiska. Held them for almost a year.

Quite an interesting, but little known today, part of WWII history. An uncle of mine, lost 3 toes to frostbite there.

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The Hillstrand brothers talked about this on Deadliest Catch. Their grandfather fought in it.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ro-grandfather

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My old man was stationed in Dutch Harbor for 18 months with the 250th Coast Artillery out of Watsonville, CA right after the war started. I have a few pictures from his time there, it was primitive. Japanese bombed their refrigeration, they just buried the meat out in the snow.


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I built a 10/22 Takedown for fun, but the underlying theme behind it was having a compact 'truck' gun that is relatively innocuous to keep in the Jeep when out on trails and what not (being 22LR and all).

When it comes to actual SHTF, I would probably prefer a centerfire long gun, though.
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Two tube fed Marlin 60's, Ruger Mark II, Gamo Big Cat 1200 in .177. for small game.
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Another vote for stainless take-down 10/22, drum mag, and a bucket of ammo.
It's what they should have used in "The Walking Dead" series. Could have head shot every zombie that ever came around.

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Another vote for stainless take-down 10/22, drum mag, and a bucket of ammo.
It's what they should have used in "The Walking Dead" series. Could have head shot every zombie that ever came around.


Yeah, but the zombie apocalypse happened during the great 22lr shortage of 2013. Sometimes you just can’t get a break.


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I think I would get a Ruger 10/22 breakdown backpack model with a rail that would take the different optics ( red-dot, scope, etc.) I could put in that same backpack.

I would upgrade all the parts I could do myself like trigger, extended mag release, nice sling, installing the scope rail if necessary, high visibility front and rear sights. Etc..
I completely agree with this. The only aspect I would add is purchasing the Magpul Backpacker Optic Mount. This mount makes sure that you hold zero and the option to use the original 10/22 sights.

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I built a 10/22 Takedown for fun, but the underlying theme behind it was having a compact 'truck' gun that is relatively innocuous to keep in the Jeep when out on trails and what not (being 22LR and all).

When it comes to actual SHTF, I would probably prefer a centerfire long gun, though.
I recently PPT a 10/22 takedown for this exact reason. Fun gun to shoot and a cheap truck gun to have (better than not having anything at all). Add the backpacker stock and store in a backpack no one will suspect a thing. If it gets stolen then Im only out $300 compared to having a AR pistol.
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I have an AR-7 and it is more reliable than my 10/22. Breaks down nicely too.
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I’d probably use an air rifle, a serious air rifle for small game.
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Got my TacSol upper from Addax Tactical 10 years ago. Came with the old oval handguards back then. I had to knock the front sight post off, to add the DD Omega rails. That M-lok setup looks tight. 'Bout time for a rail change again!

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Springfield 87, Winchester77, 190, or pumps, Rossi pump, Marlin 60, FN bolt cat gun they all fit the bill.
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Just keep to the 10/22. It's track record of proven reliability is worth having around. Not to mention spare parts.
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I would say go for a Ruger 22/45 pistol with a red dot sight. Extremely accurate for a pistol, easily concealed, lite weight. I've shot water bottles at 100 yards with open sights so with a red dot hitting a rabbit should be doable for you.
If you're really in a shtf situation I would want something I could deploy quickly but be able to get the game in a bag and have the gun concealed quickly.

As for self defense, you can do10 Rd mags dump pretty fast and accurate with a 22/45.

If you're set on a rifle, get a 10/22. I've shot more squirrels than I can count with a 10/22. 3-9x scope and a good trigger and I can off hand shoot them all day at up to 100 yards.
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I'm partial to lever action 22's when to comes to rifles. I have a Henry Golden Boy and a Ruger 10/22 - I'll take the Henry if forced to choose.
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Ruger 10-22, probably the best all-around 22 semi-auto in the world---lots of parts readily available, plus reliable 25 rd magazines if needed---I'm also partial to my old Remington Nylon 66---light, accurate and reliable...
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BX-25 mags purchased during freedom week, to at least keep heads down?
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I bought a Savage MKII a few years ago when my son wanted to compete in a .22 competition. I've since used it for plinking and small game. I absolutely love it. Reasonably priced, bolt action, magazine fed, accu-trigger. It's quiet and accurate. I've got some other .22's, but that is my favorite.
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Henry U.S. Survival AR-7 .22 LR Semiautomatic Rifle

Had one of these as a kid, must have put a couple thousand rounds through it. , pretty dang accurate, easy to shoot, dependable, packs down small, very light weight so it is easy to carry around full time. from what I understand, it even floats if dropped in the water. I never tried that out.

I would though, like to have a supressed .22 if in a SHTF survival movie situation.

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I have an AR-7 and it is more reliable than my 10/22. Breaks down nicely too.
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Same here.
In my research years ago I only remembered one thing about the AR-7: stay way -- not reliable. Am I remembering wrong? Perhaps there was a break in manufacture. I recall them being made a long time ago and then a long break and then now someone makes them again at a lower quality.
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i like my breakdown 22 rifle by feather out of Colorado, my Remington nylon for a non breakdown, and for a pistol my first generation bull barrel Ruger with a hair trigger from the factory. I think the AR-7 had a problem for a while but it was with the quality of the metal used and threading if i remember right. But i could be wrong. Nice design for survival gun.
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10/22 Takedown, 16" threaded barrel, see through rail (for F.O "iron" sights), add optic of choice, etc. Three 10 rd mags in stock, one in magwell, 40rds all in when stowed. Great "Cadillac" option.

If you've got an old 10/22 laying around, look at the Arcangel QBD stock to get a "Chevy takedown". I'm playing around with one, seems to work fairly well, and there were a bunch of 10/22 parts sitting around anyway!

If you're into "strange" 10/22's, there's the Badger bullpup stock (a little odd looking, but very ergonomic, similar to having a long barrel pistol with a stock and rifle ballistics!)... or one of those P90-ish stocks! So many options for customizing a "boring" 10/22!

As far as reliability, I've had some "bad" ammo, but with good ammo, no problems!
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