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Old 11-26-2018, 7:28 PM
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During the fire up here 3 years ago they closed the roads going to the ranch. We just took alternative routes to get in and out.

A makeshift roadblock with vehicles sounds like a shooting gallery to me.
Yeah, but who is the duck? We know exactly where to shoot to hit the driver. The people manning the roadblock will be dispersed, and concealed to some degree.
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Old 11-26-2018, 7:32 PM
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never use main roads and use a motorcycle, preferably something like a off road 250cc
Fail, how am I supposed to carry all my guns and ammo on a dirtbike?

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Old 11-26-2018, 7:38 PM
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You're not on nextdoor.com apparently. They call them "furbabies."
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Old 11-26-2018, 7:40 PM
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Well in that case please send me the full list of how I should live my life so that I can be judged a success by a nameless/faceless random person on the internet. Thank you so much for your valuable opinion, I am eager to comply . . .
Start by buying a Mini-14.
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Fail, how am I supposed to carry all my guns and ammo on a dirtbike?

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Shoot the driver
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Old 11-26-2018, 8:25 PM
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Start by buying a Mini-14.
Chuckle all you want, but even though all the neighbors have a wide variety of semi auto rifles, the mini-14 is the go to for our rural community.
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:46 AM
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YThere's a couple of 4x4 trails that would work, but of course he doesn't own a 4x4 vehicle.
IMO, this is a significant oversight given the location and the planned evac route. If you can travel off road it opens up many other options in that part of the world. In this situation I'd probably be planning the off road route as my primary evac route.
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Old 11-27-2018, 1:01 PM
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Yeah, but who is the duck? We know exactly where to shoot to hit the driver. The people manning the roadblock will be dispersed, and concealed to some degree.
Its clear you have never tried to stop a moving vehicle with a rifle, especially when they are shooting back. Its not like the movies.
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This is another one of those “I watch too much of “The Walking Dead” threads.
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Old 11-28-2018, 7:39 AM
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Chuckle all you want, but even though all the neighbors have a wide variety of semi auto rifles, the mini-14 is the go to for our rural community.
I like them just fine, but the mere mention of them gives some people apoplectic fits. My bad, though - it's ChuckDizzle who hates them, not ChuckD.

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Old 11-28-2018, 8:45 AM
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Its clear you have never tried to stop a moving vehicle with a rifle, especially when they are shooting back. Its not like the movies.
It is true that I have not. But that does not mean I am not correct. Have you been the shooter on both sides of a roadblock situation? Have you, in your experience on both sides of a roadblock shootout, found it easier to be the driver, or the person manning the roadblock?

I don't want to be on either side if a roadblock shootout; but if I must pick, I would not choose to be the driver. Would you?

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Old 11-28-2018, 10:56 AM
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Nope, had 4 children served in combat roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. Two of them still serve in combat roles.

Although my sons James Abrams M1A2 never had a problem on the giving and receiving end his brother had people killed in his company by car mounted bombs they couldn't stop in time. They hated check point duty due to the danger. They never knew when people would just drive up and start shooting.

Just setting up a safe check point where they were able to make cars and trucks slow down took days to construct. Follow the posted rules coming up to the check point or die. They really hated people on motorcycles.

They never set up without armor, either Abrams and or a couple Bradley's with Tow missiles. They were always getting shot at from all sides.
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Old 11-28-2018, 4:07 PM
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Don't be such an ***. Some people can't have kids... and before you say it, adoption isn't possible for everyone. You buy a puppy, raise it, feed it, clean it, clean up after it, train it, & love it. That's pretty damn close to having a child (all except the buying part)

I have 2 kids & 2 German Shepherds. There are many days I prefer my German Shepherds

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Its clear you have never tried to stop a moving vehicle with a rifle, especially when they are shooting back. Its not like the movies.
If you kill the driver, the moving vehicle will eventually stop. The ambushers are likely trying not to disable the vehicle, but to kill the driver and passengers.
In an ambush, you will likely be shooting as cover fire or at multiple targets. All it takes is one ambusher who is confident enough not to duck when shots fly to make a good shot.
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Old 11-28-2018, 6:09 PM
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If you kill the driver, the moving vehicle will eventually stop. The ambushers are likely trying not to disable the vehicle, but to kill the driver and passengers.
In an ambush, you will likely be shooting as cover fire or at multiple targets. All it takes is one ambusher who is confident enough not to duck when shots fly to make a good shot.
Can you explain how we got from a road block to a ambush. I'm a little confused.
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Old 11-28-2018, 6:35 PM
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If you're in SoCal when TEOTWAWKI hits you ain't getting out via any roads. So unless you have a helo in your backyard, or live right next to the airport and own a plane there, you need to just hunker down where you are. You've got everything you need there; everyone else is in an exit panic.

Your scenario assumes an open highway with a roadblock ahead. The reality is that you won't be the only one on the road. There will be (literally) millions of others with the same mindset as you-panic. If you attempt to escape on the highway, you'll die along with those millions.
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Yeah, but who is the duck? We know exactly where to shoot to hit the driver. The people manning the roadblock will be dispersed, and concealed to some degree.
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Can you explain how we got from a road block to a ambush. I'm a little confused.
A roadblock after SHTF that ends in a shootout? If they have people in concealed firing positions shooting at you, consider yourself ambushed.
It's much easier while stationary behind cover and concentrate your fire on a 5' wide target moving towards you than shooting at dispersed multiple targets across several lanes of roadway from a moving vehicle.
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A roadblock after SHTF that ends in a shootout? If they have people in concealed firing positions shooting at you, consider yourself ambushed.
It's much easier while stationary behind cover and concentrate your fire on a 5' wide target moving towards you than shooting at dispersed multiple targets across several lanes of roadway from a moving vehicle.
Exactly what I think. Neither place is good, but one is much worse than the other.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:23 AM
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Fail, how am I supposed to carry all my guns and ammo on a dirtbike?

ETA: NVM just need some friends

HAHAHAHAHAA! I'd like to see someone throw a steel pipe in that wheel & see what happens.
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Nobody is leaving a big city, your freeways will be parking lots.

Better to have already escaped years befor SHTF.

Better to bug in if you are stupid enough to be around when IT happens.
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I like them just fine, but the mere mention of them gives some people apoplectic fits. My bad, though - it's ChuckDizzle who hates them, not ChuckD.
I have a Ruger Ranch Rifle, I wouldn't say it's the best rifle I have, but it's not the worst either.
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Old 12-03-2018, 6:02 PM
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Take the Rail Road route, will not be packed with cars if SHTF.
Not many cars can handle the rocky RR routes. So having the
right truck counts big.
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Old 12-07-2018, 1:40 PM
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In that sort of world, I wonder what the fortitude for manning a road block 24 / 7 is. I would think it would be at its weakest between 3am and 6am (that would be the best time to travel anyway I think).
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Yea, no way I would risk that with family.. but ultimately roadblocks are failures waiting to happen.

What happens when someone starts sniping the roadblock from a distance out of the roadblocks range?

As said, roadblocks are fine for unarmed people control, not so much when there's resistance.

Best option is go around. Of course, nobody in SoCal urban areas are going anywhere in the parking lot that would come with a real disaster.. except maybe by air or sea (or possibly overland by off road vehicle)
I have a high tech solution for you (this assumes we are in the early stages of a problem of course where you have charged batteries).

There are now semi-affordable drones that have flight times of 30 minutes. Assuming you are traveling slow at say 30mph in this area that means a battery every 15 miles. Have enough batteries and you can scout ahead of your car through troubled areas.
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Just flash you Tribal Elder Card and get waived on through.


Don't have a Tribal Elders Card??? Then coming on the Rez during SHTF is a real bad idea.
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Old 12-07-2018, 2:39 PM
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Easy, if you are male, fat, ugly and you look poor "not very well equipt" they won't bother you. So be fat ugly and poor.
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As to the OP,

If I was able to see it they were able to see me; not good. I'd turn around and try to get as far away as I could back. If I could find a space that seemed safe some distance back I'd stop and then hike up to get a good field view of the roadblock and watch what happens to others going through it. Because I'd assume they saw my vehicle I'd try to change its appearance some how, hide valuables that I need, and prepare a fair payment for their passage (assuming I saw others pass). Ride up, treat with respect, pay up and politely ask to move along. Be prepared for SHTF if it doesn't happen I'll make it easier on the next guy by taking a couple of them with me.
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OP here.

Thanks for all the perspectives. Even the guy with the dogs, cause knowing there's folks out there that will kill you for pets while we have law and order, just imagine how things will change when there's no 911 to call.
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In the scenario described a single vehicle is dead meat long before you meet the roadblock.

If you want to go traveling, form a convoy with other vehicles fleeing Armageddon.

The main convoy should never get to a roadblock because you have scouts out ahead and above on the high ground. The convoy may have to move in fits and starts while the scouts clear the route of travel. While the convoy waits, it laagers in a suitable location that is not dominated by high ground.

The scouts can check for routes around the roadblock or negotiate for passage.

If your group is ambushed, don't stop to shoot back, drive like hell through the kill zone and then flank and assault. If your group is stopped by disabled vehicles or barriers, assault into the ambush.

Or, don't leave home to begin with. Being a refugee group, even armed, is usually a losing proposition.

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Nope, had 4 children served in combat roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. Two of them still serve in combat roles.

Although my sons James Abrams M1A2 never had a problem on the giving and receiving end his brother had people killed in his company by car mounted bombs they couldn't stop in time. They hated check point duty due to the danger. They never knew when people would just drive up and start shooting.

Just setting up a safe check point where they were able to make cars and trucks slow down took days to construct. Follow the posted rules coming up to the check point or die. They really hated people on motorcycles.

They never set up without armor, either Abrams and or a couple Bradley's with Tow missiles. They were always getting shot at from all sides.
Even though I think this thread is a case of watching too much of The Walking Dead, I’ll respond to this one.

You’re kind of comparing apples to oranges. Most of the vehicle scenarios you’re referring to in Iraq and Afghanistan are suicide bombers. A good majority of those guys are shot to hell and wounded, or even dead, by the time their SVBIED rolls up to the target and blows up. So because they’re hard to disable the SVBIED before it kills you, you still lose in this scenario if the roadblock fires on you.

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If the roadblock is any decent, it will have alternating barricades set on the road ahead to force vehicles to slow down while they zig zag around them. They also stop a vehicle from rolling closer once the driver is shot and can’t navigate them. Google ECP - entry control point. If you see this, they know what they’re doing and that should be considered.
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To all who think you are going to run a road block that you happen to come upon are delusional.

If you happen to come upon a roadblock . . . you have already failed.
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To all who think you are going to run a road block that you happen to come upon are delusional.

If you happen to come upon a roadblock . . . you have already failed.
And people that think the "Road Blockers" are without risk are too.
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On which side would you rather be?
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It all depends. A couple of guys with AR15 behind a crap pile barricade is probably an easy one to storm through. However a well-equipped roadblock made out of sandbags, spike strips on the road, 50BMG or another large-caliber weapon, flank protected is non-passable, unless you have an armored truck. Each situation is different, there is no universal recipe here, except a broad advice to avoid it.
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I don't have that type of exposure. Never will. If things ever do go to heck, we will disable the bridges going to the ranch in both directions and put people on foot. I don't want anybody to be able to drive up to my place with a vehicle.

Its 21 miles one way and 18 the other from the bridges.
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A couple of rounds through the radiator will disable most vehicles in short order.

Regardless of which side you're on, it is something to consider.
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I an so confused, I thought road blocks were why we bought the RPG's. If not for roadblocks what are they for???

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