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Small world. I grew up on Furlong Rd. Live south of town now.
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OK so I call the Angeles National forest station and ask about the rules regarding open carry of a psitol while hiking in the Angeles national forest. The officer said that by law I could carry, but that it would scare people into calling 911 then they would have to come out and basicly put me on the ground at gun point and investigate what I'm up to. I was told to simply hide it or keep it out of sight so that people wont get scared. I then asked if this is a CCW violation, in which I was told yes...but that they would understand and its no big deal.....why does this sound like a load of BS? So I'm being told that I can legaly do something ,but if I do I'll be treated as a criminal and to illegaly carry my pistol so i don't upset anybody. Am I missing something?
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Don't listen to them. Do what is legal. Better yet, ask them again and record the conversation. |
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So, after reading this thread, if I go to the Pinnacles National Monument Park (national Park), I can take a firearm with me to my designated campsite, but I cannot take it with me on a hike (California law). I can have it in my car or in my tent, but I cannot carry it concealed in a backpack.
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Wouldn't mind doing it for them! Regarding the regular campsite, we are good to go with my understanding?
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You can take your firearm with you on a hike. You just can't have it loaded, but you can have loaded magazines handy. And of course you can't conceal it (unless you have it in a locked container or happen to qualify for the 12027 fishing exemption). |
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Cool, thanks Mudcamper!
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Why is this so complicated? I will be backpacking up near Markleeville this summer on some land that borders PG&E land and wilderness.
I have a fishing license and hunting license and want to carry in the event I see some coyotes. Can I carry concealed/loaded or not? |
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I'm really not trying to insult anyone - but how many of you California residents spent as much time writing a letter/email to your congresscritter as you spent on this thread?
A few dozen letters promising to help remove legislators from office when they vote against the welfare of the people will do more than preaching to the choir here. |
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I have given up on my legislature. They are all idiots. No matter how many letters, emails, faxes, and phone calls we make, they continue to pass asinine laws. Now I give money to CGF to fight in the courts. That is the arena where we will win. And we will win. But spinning our tires trying to sway the legislature is not worth the wasted effort. And the purpose of this thread is to help figure out how to obey the law. We may not like it, but it is the current reality that we must deal with. Not educating oneself is unwise IMO. |
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And, thanks MudCamper for helping us understand our asinine state laws in regards to carrying in the forest, hunting, fishing or just backpacking.
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Here's a thought. Since ammunition is defined as a projectile (right?),
holster-carrying a handgun that is loaded with BLANKS should be legal? This way, at least you can try to scare away the animals while on the trail? |
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So in essence you have to be a Gun Law Attorney to read, remember and understand all the BS laws for every inch of the state you may or may not be in with a gun.
If you ask me its just a way to trip a gun owner up so they lose their gun and their freedom. |
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We used to live in Sonoma County, and moved to Nevada because things were changing there, not for the better in our opinion. Anyway we still love to hike in remote areas of the Sierras, alone. Could we carry a handgun, open carry?
With all the dope growers, mountain lions, and crazys, we would feel much safer with some protection. Recall what happened in Point Reyes on the trails, 5 people murdered, rapes. Yosemite handyman murdered 4 women. ( I used to be a Park Ranger in Yosemite, and there is a lot of crime there) Santa Cruz mountains-Kemper. Anyway, rather be safe than sorry. Thanks for any feedback. |
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What about state forests? I know that Boggs Demonstration State Forest in Cobb allows the discharge of firearms per BLM standards, but it is a state forest managed by the California Department of Forestry and Fire protection. I'd be curious to hear about that.
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Question. CA law overrides national law. So does this mean that the unloaded requirements are that of CA law, or of NF law?
Also, would a sidearm be considered your primary weapon for hunting? Or does that not matter in this situation? If you're carrying 3-4 firearms, do they all have to be unloaded when coming into a prohibited area? Or only the longarms that are being used for hunting?
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Mud Camper, thank you!
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Sent this to Lake Tahoe Basin Unit (National Forest)
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So.... I've read this whole thread. I live in NV (so no such restrictions), but am going camping up in Sequoia NP next week. I see that I can UOC (a foreign concept, but whatever). However, what isn't clear to me is where I can carry the loaded magazine(s). In my pocket? Or do they have to be tucked in my belt? I don't have a belt carrier, but I could put them behind my belt. And do I need to (or should I) have an empty mag in the 1911?
I'm not particularly trying to make a statement, I just prefer to have a weapon on hand for the unexpected. I could ask the rangers when I get there, I guess. Thanks in advance. |
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I wouldn't keep an unloaded mag in the firearm unless you're trying to give the appearance of loaded, which may be an intent if you're carrying to ward of unwanted persons. Keeping the magwell empty allows for a quicker loading time, and keeps the magwell free of any possible jams or obstructions that could be caused by trying to drop the empty mag and load the full one in a time of high stress.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...73&postcount=9 As for keeping empty mag in the well - it reduces your loading time, but keeps some dirt out of gun too. So you decide if you want to plug that hole or not. I guess it would depend on where you carry.
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Does this apply equally for shotguns? I'm going on a four day hike through Sequoia National Park and I'm bringing my Mossberg Pump action with slugs just in case of bears. Can I LOC the shotgun? It will be affixed to my backpack without a chambered shell. Thanks for the input.
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That is not correct. As GuyW said, the law changed. Read the first 2 posts in the thread and follow the links for more details. |
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I have open carried my Glock on National Forest and BLM land before without any issues. Since I was near campsites and busy trails, I felt more comfortable UOC the entire time, instead of loading in non-prohibited areas.
I'm heading to Lassen Volcanic National Park in a few weeks and plan to UOC there. I have read through most of this thread including the CA penal code and it seems like pistol UOC, magazines openly carried, no carry in buildings(except crapper, unless otherwise posted), no carry where 'carry is prohibited' signs exist, no loading and no discharge. My question: what is the risk of being hassled/arrested/weapon confiscated by carrying in a National Park? I never had any issues in the NF/BLM, any of the many times I have been...even had a cool DFG guy complimenting my rifle when we were shooting on BLM. My pistol was legally purchased and is registered to me. I am not barred from owning of possessing. I am clean cut and respectful. No visible tattooing. Last edited by 17+1; 08-13-2010 at 1:55 PM.. |
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Its probably been answered before in this thread and I apologize, but I have only read the first 2 pages.
Under what circumstances is it LEGAL to load/discharge a firearm within a national/state park? I want assume only under self defense instances (ex. bear/wolf/cougar/mountain lion, or another animal capable of killing you is attacking) but I want to make sure.
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As for National Parks, it's basically "prohibited area" per CA PC 12031, meaning, you can load in emergencies. As for when it is legal to discharge and use lethal force, well, it's the same as the rest of the state. It's complicated, but basically if you or any innocent is under imminent thread of great bodily injury or death. |
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I suspect most people won't notice, like it was in the Shasta Trinity NF...if they do, I understand what LEOs are and are not legally allowed to do. I will most likely be covering the serial numbers with small pieces of tape as, during their inspection of the mag and chamber, they are allowed to 'observe' the serial numbers. I will also have the open carry pamphlet outlining the laws of carrying, although I will not have my license or HSC on me, as they are not required for open carry. |
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I had a question that I'm not quite sure if it was already answered.
I frequently camp in the Sierra National Forest in a small camping area. There is a sign on the info board that says 'no firearms' (or firearms prohibited). (can they prohibit firearms, or just prohibit shooting?) If firearms cannot be prohibited, only shooting, I should be able to UOC everywhere in the area correct? (no schools, or other restricted areas for MILES) Once I'm 150 yards away from all the campsites, LOC will be ok correct? "*2 - Loaded Open Carry is legal in areas where shooting is not prohibited, and in one's campsite (12031 et al) *2 - Shooting is prohibited within 150 yards of any residence, building, campsite, or developed site, or on/across a road or body of water" So since shooting is prohibited within 150 yards of roads, LOC is prohibited within 150 of roads? Thanks! Last edited by exklusve; 08-16-2010 at 2:23 PM.. |
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Not within 150 yards of roads. It's on or across roads, and within 150 yards of buildings, developed areas, etc. So you can LOC right off the road. |
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What constitutes open carry of magazines? My belt holster may be 'iffy'... I have a dual mag belt holster for the magazines but there is a velcrow flip top that causes the magazine to be completely covered. Pull up on the cover and the baseplates and half an inch or so of mag body is visible, but not so when it is closed. I was thinking it may be wise to safety pin the top open so there is no question... Thanks for any info you can provide! |
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