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Old 11-17-2018, 1:53 PM
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We have a lawmaker on national news threatening the use of nuclear weapons against civilians.

It seems to me that it raises the bar on what is protected by the second amendment does it not?

Trying to see the good in his idiocy, could this be grounds to argue we need more than just semi-auto with a functional mag release?
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Old 11-17-2018, 2:01 PM
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if I don't believe any government can be trusted with even one nuke I wouldn't trust any else with one. Id like to repeal the Hughes Amendment and the NFA but Nukes, chemical and biological weapons either shouldn't exist our existing stockpiles should be reduced
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if I don't believe any government can be trusted with even one nuke I wouldn't trust any else with one. Id like to repeal the Hughes Amendment and the NFA but Nukes, chemical and biological weapons either shouldn't exist our existing stockpiles should be reduced
I get it... I don't want everyone who is "barely" sane to have access to nuclear weapons either.

The idea is, if the government is threatening the use of nuclear weapons... the need for us to have, say, crew-served machine guns increases, or in the case of California, at least a select-fire weapon commensurate with what the federal army would be carrying in a conflict.
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The chowderhead needs to have a nuclear suppository rammed up his *****...
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Swalwell proves his stupidity every time he opens his mouth. And the population proves theirs by re-electing him time after time.

He should also look into the fact that many U.S. nuclear weapons have safeties built in so they know their location and are prevented from going off in the continental U.S. But I don't think his brain could comprehend that. He just does what Pelosi tells him to do.
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I believe we have a motion on the floor - do I hear a second?
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Come on guys...I had this separated from a "democrats are stupid" post because I want to have a serious discussion.

Do you think a government official issuing public idle threats raises the bar on what we can have as private citizens?
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:00 AM
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The second amendment protects all weapons of 'any' kind.
Rocks, pin knives, sling shots, bow and arrow, electric zappers, explosives, sticks with the ends sharpened.
Anything that can be used as a weapon is protected by the 2nd amendment.
Bearing arms means any type of armament. Not just rifles and handguns.
Yes even bombs and nukes.
Although at this time it might be kinda hard to carry around a nuke bomb.
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Come on guys...I had this separated from a "democrats are stupid" post because I want to have a serious discussion.

Do you think a government official issuing public idle threats raises the bar on what we can have as private citizens?

No it doesn't raise the bar at all. See my post just above this one.
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.
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The second amendment protects all weapons of 'any' kind.
Rocks, pin knives, sling shots, bow and arrow, electric zappers, explosives, sticks with the ends sharpened.
Anything that can be used as a weapon is protected by the 2nd amendment.
Bearing arms means any type of armament. Not just rifles and handguns.
Yes even bombs and nukes.
Although at this time it might be kinda hard to carry around a nuke bomb.
Not where I'm from...ADMs are by design made to be easily portable...
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I believe we have a motion on the floor - do I hear a second?
I'll second my motion....
FM 5-26...the proper use and deployment of Nuclear Suppositories...otherwise known as Atomic Demolition Munitions...
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The second amendment protects all weapons of 'any' kind.
Rocks, pin knives, sling shots, bow and arrow, electric zappers, explosives, sticks with the ends sharpened.
Anything that can be used as a weapon is protected by the 2nd amendment.
Bearing arms means any type of armament. Not just rifles and handguns.
Yes even bombs and nukes.
Although at this time it might be kinda hard to carry around a nuke bomb.
While I agree, the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. That is why short-barrelled shotguns are not protected because they have "no military use". It was an un-defended SCOTUS case from 50 years ago that made bad law, but it's on the books.

This is why restrictions on Destructive Devices, machine gun registration, et cetera have been untouchable.

There is a bar set... I am not an attorney so I don't know where that bar is but I know enough to know there is one.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:31 PM
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In all seriousness..this so-called "official" needs to be charged with sedition, treason, violation of the "posse comitatus" act and any other relevant charge that can be brought against him. It is the height of irresponsibility to suggest the use of nukes on our own soil...against our own people.
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While I agree, the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. That is why short-barrelled shotguns are not protected because they have "no military use". It was an un-defended SCOTUS case from 50 years ago that made bad law, but it's on the books.

This is why restrictions on Destructive Devices, machine gun registration, et cetera have been untouchable.

There is a bar set... I am not an attorney so I don't know where that bar is but I know enough to know there is one.
Sorry, I don't recognize any law (bar) that restricts the people, but allows the politico to do otherwise.
The politicians in this country haven't truely represented the people since this countries inception.
They feel they are way above us in importance.
This dunce you mentioned above just let his mouth run due to inexperience. And in doing so shows everyone what he really thinks.
The truely sad part, is that it appears that around 50% of the voters agrees with him.
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If he can threaten nukes, we should be able to, also. Mutually assured destruction kept the Russkies at bay.

We need to keep knucklehead politicians at bay, too.
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Come on guys...I had this separated from a "democrats are stupid" post because I want to have a serious discussion.

Do you think a government official issuing public idle threats raises the bar on what we can have as private citizens?

I can't see how it raises the bar at all.

What Swalwell said is not a threat. It is merely a ridiculous statement made by a ridiculous person.

Swalwell has no say whatsoever in the use of nuclear weapons. In fact, I doubt that he is even authorized to look at them. His threat carries the same level of significance and danger as any one of us threatening their use.
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I can't see how it raises the bar at all.

What Swalwell said is not a threat. It is merely a ridiculous statement made by a ridiculous person.

Swalwell has no say whatsoever in the use of nuclear weapons. In fact, I doubt that he is even authorized to look at them. His threat carries the same level of significance and danger as any one of us threatening their use.
So because the threat is not credible, you are thinking it does not matter?

I see the logic there too... but ultimately any law that prohibits its use could be changed by the legislature and that process would start with him...
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-The short answer is "no."

-A nuclear weapon (or any aircraft bomb or missile for that matter), is not a personal arm, nor is it "for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense." You can argue that they are defensive as a deterrent, but for our purposes here, they are an offensive weapon.

-There is already a robust regulation and restriction of DD's, and they have already been deemed constitutional by SCOTUS.

We don't need any new angles to get normal, non-jacked up AR15 type rifles. We just need SCOTUS to take one of the many cases coming up, and apply what they have already noted in Heller and McDonald.

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We have a lawmaker on national news threatening the use of nuclear weapons against civilians.

It seems to me that it raises the bar on what is protected by the second amendment does it not?

Trying to see the good in his idiocy, could this be grounds to argue we need more than just semi-auto with a functional mag release?

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