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Old 05-09-2018, 10:45 AM
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Looks like those PSA .22 uppers are going to be harder to get than a Ruger PC Carbine 9mm the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind trying one out. I'll wager they run as good as my CMMG.
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I have a S&W M&P 15-22, and I love it. Very fun gun, no problems so far with about 500 rounds through it. Got mine for $360 from Buds. Dedicated AR is too much $$$. Plus I really like the trigger on my 15-22, better than the stock trigger on my AR but maybe my AR has a garbage trigger?
A couple of days ago I purchased/ordered the S&W M&P 15-22 Sport MOE SL OD Green version at Rifle Gear for $399. They had the other version for the same price. MOE version is shipping in from their Texas store.

The only downside is the MOE version comes with a 25 round magazine so I am getting it minus a mag.

I am pretty excited to get it.
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I would second some of the other replies. It's safer to just go with a complete 22LR upper that has a true 22LR barrel. Currently in CA Rim fire are exempt from AW restrictions. So you can configure it the way you want.

If you want a featureless rifle so you can use the same lower with 556 and 22LR, then the CMMG drop in kit would be ok. Just not as accurate on the 22 side due to the twist rate being off by a factor of 2X.

Besides twist rate the effective 22LR range is much less, so if you can have more than one rifle, you might want a different optic on the 22, and then use it differently.

They are a great inexpensive training tool. But the best part is the fact that you have a lot more freedom to configure. Why give that up to go featureless. I think the Black dog mags are much better than the CMMG mags.
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Iíve been looking for a 22 dedicated upper for a while now and thus trying to decide which to purchase. After reading this thread and other searches I decided on the Tactical Solutions AR-22 M4 style. I had to do a magazine swap for the 10 rounder. I purchased it last week and itís due to arrive on Wednesday.



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Looks like those PSA .22 uppers are going to be harder to get than a Ruger PC Carbine 9mm the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind trying one out. I'll wager they run as good as my CMMG.
PSA upper just popped back in stock as of 12:15PM today. Just ordered one for myself.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html
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PSA upper just popped back in stock as of 12:15PM today. Just ordered one for myself.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html
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PSA upper just popped back in stock as of 12:15PM today. Just ordered one for myself.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html
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You lousy S.O.B.! Now ya went and made me spend more money!!
Youíre welcome! Haha. And it looks like you may have got the last one as they are now oos. This gives you two now, right?
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So, I was thinking, can I plink with the 22lr upper @ 100 yds? Or would 50 or 75 be more reasonable. I like to go to outdoor ranges that are 100 yds.
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Youíre welcome! Haha. And it looks like you may have got the last one as they are now oos. This gives you two now, right?
Yep, but I'm out of lowers. I'll most likely sell the first one I got for what I paid for it, or I'll just return it.
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So, I was thinking, can I plink with the 22lr upper @ 100 yds? Or would 50 or 75 be more reasonable. I like to go to outdoor ranges that are 100 yds.
Sure you could! Just keep in mind that even the most accurate .22 will not be better than 2 MOA @100 yards. It's not so much the rifle, but the cartridge that'll be a limiting factor. But of course "plinking" isn't about sub-MOA groups. It's about having fun shooting cans. If you can shoot MOC (minute of can) with it, you're doing great.

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I did find a couple of articles showcasing sub-MOA .22's, but they were fairly built up and using "match" .22lr ammo. Some of the ammo prices were quoted as high as $195 per 500 rounds!
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My CMMG dedicated upper has served me very well over the last decade. CMMGs customer service is excellent as well.

Only God knows how many rounds have gone through mine.
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I went the same route and it shoots great. Just remember to cycle the bolt all the way. I have had one jam or two over hundreds of rounds prob due to user error.

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Nordic Components 22lr dedicated upper fit and AR 15 lower. Uses black dog mags $15. Itís not cheap, but worth the price.
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Have you guys ever got anything stuck inside the charging handle?
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Have you guys ever got anything stuck inside the charging handle?
It's a known issue with .22lr AR-15s with the standard charging handle. Getting a charging handle specifically made for .22 ARs, such as the one below, solves this problem.

https://www.cmmginc.com/product/char...ssembly-22arc/
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Have you guys ever got anything stuck inside the charging handle?
Sure, sh*t always happens. Yank it and poke it out. Once these things break in that stuff tends to go away. Slip 2000 EWL does help in that regard.
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I've never experienced it but know that the cmmg handles are out there for this reason. So I was wondering if it's worth it to buy the cmmg handle.
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Taccom lightweight barrel + Taccom upper (not sure if they still sell) + Taccom bolt + mag adapter + S&W 15-22 mags.
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I've got one of these PSA uppers, but I'm running my CMMG Bolt I've had forever, the barrels seems to be super reliable and accurate, but only shot it once. In response to the post about eight up, I can hit a 10-inch Steel plate at 150-Yards everytime with my BEC Scoped Ruger 10/22 with Primary Weapons Composite Barrel and cheap ammo. Hoping the PSA will do the same, had put a Bushnell EOTech on it, but plan to put the same cheap BEC Scope on it as my Ruger.
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Taccom lightweight barrel + Taccom upper (not sure if they still sell) + Taccom bolt + mag adapter + S&W 15-22 mags.
Taccom stuff has been discontinued. But IIRC they were using Uppers very similar to the Rainier Arms uppers.
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They still list the upper...

https://taccom3g.com/product/taccom-extruded-upper/
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Yup that is the newer style that Tim has come up with. But here's the older style upper (that I think looks better):
https://www.righttobear.com/CMMG-Upp...9-p/tac922.htm

And heres the Rainier for comparison:
https://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-...nus-fa-w-logo/
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Iíve been looking for a 22 dedicated upper for a while now and thus trying to decide which to purchase. After reading this thread and other searches I decided on the Tactical Solutions AR-22 M4 style. I had to do a magazine swap for the 10 rounder. I purchased it last week and itís due to arrive on Wednesday.
I've had one of those for a few years and I've been very happy with it. It runs federal, fiocchi, and aguila bulk ammo all with no problem. Tons of fun plinking steel with a primary arms 6x .22 ACSS. I did swap the hand guards for Magpul ones though.

Tactical Solutions sells a bolt and barrel combo now which, if I didn't already have the M4 style, might be the way I'd go. The trick would be finding the version of the kit with the 10-round magazine or a vender who will swap out the 25 rounder for you.
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Tactical Solutions sells a bolt and barrel combo now which, if I didn't already have the M4 style, might be the way I'd go. The trick would be finding the version of the kit with the 10-round magazine or a vender who will swap out the 25 rounder for you.
PSA also sells a barrel and bolt combo (no magazine) for $199 when in stock. Currently they are out. They had them about a month ago so for half the price, you donít have to deal with getting them to swap the 25 round magazines. Use the money saved to buy mags.
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I've never experienced it but know that the cmmg handles are out there for this reason. So I was wondering if it's worth it to buy the cmmg handle.
Yes, it was worth it for me. I was often getting 22lr cases stuck in the groove of the standard AR15 charging handle. PITA to clear out. Much happier with the dedicated 22lr charging handle.
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Yes, it was worth it for me. I was often getting 22lr cases stuck in the groove of the standard AR15 charging handle. PITA to clear out. Much happier with the dedicated 22lr charging handle.
Thanks for the info. Can I ask for a favor? Can you snap a picture of the underside of the cmmg handle?
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PSA also sells a barrel and bolt combo (no magazine) for $199 when in stock. Currently they are out. They had them about a month ago so for half the price, you donít have to deal with getting them to swap the 25 round magazines. Use the money saved to buy mags.
Thatís a good find. Iím not crazy about that barrel profile for a custom build, but not the end of the world. Also it looks like the BCG design is very similar to the tacsol, so I imagine reliability would be good.
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Thatís a good find. Iím not crazy about that barrel profile for a custom build, but not the end of the world. Also it looks like the BCG design is very similar to the tacsol, so I imagine reliability would be good.
That bolt and barrel are identical to CMMG components, good price though...
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5 years ago I bought a CMMC Sierra{?}upper I love it and haven't used the center fire upper since, it is the most fun gun I have ever owned.
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I'm amazed that so many here claim to be looking for a dedicated .22lr upper, but when I post one I get zero inquires. Maybe you guys just aren't looking in the marketplace for them?

Here's a link to my for sale thread. Drop me a PM if any of you are interested. Selling it for what I paid for it. Not looking to profit off of the short supply.

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I would, but this is on the back burner for now. I just picked up a new, complete, psa 7.62 upper for less than $280 shipped
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which black dog machine magazines do I want? says they have several different generations, or options

I just ordered this from PSA, dedicated 22lr upper ---- the most I have spent on an upper to date!!!!!!!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html




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I went the dedicated .22lr upper route.

Ditto.

In fact, when I built mine - in late '09 - dedicated uppers were in short supply. Addax Tactical got me a killer deal on a Tactical Solutions dedicated upper, and I've been blasting away with it ever since!




I built mine as a tactical trainer, to mimic my full-size AR's in every way. ARF-X stock on the Aero lower was a great deal I got off another forum. Has real DD rails, sling mount, & flashlight mount, Ergo grip, TacticalLink sling, Magpul foregrip, Troy BUIS, ADM mount, Aimpoint Pro, & Surefire E1-B to top it off. I have three other 26rd. Black Dog Machine mags to go with this one. No sense in going overboard on .22LR mags.

The ARMS B-41 front sight though... is Airsoft! A .22 doesn't HAVE a gas block, so it was the ONE place I could legitimately cut a corner, and save a hundred bucks! Works great, too.

And if I ever NEED a spare lower (as we've just gone to DEFZOMB 3 here in Pittsburgh - zombie outbreak imminent!), I pop the pins, toss the upper, snap a REAL one into place, add a 30rd. PMag of 5.56 goodness, and we're ready to repel boarders!
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which black dog machine magazines do I want? says they have several different generations, or options

I just ordered this from PSA, dedicated 22lr upper ---- the most I have spent on an upper to date!!!!!!!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html




Uses standard Black Dog Machine AR15 - .22LR Magazines

I too just ordered one of the PSA 22LR uppers, which are finally back in stock. I have some existing M&P S&W 15-22 mags so I thought I would go with them. Am I correct that the AR Catch22 is a better option on a dedicated lower that the Bettermag since it fully emulates AR15 functionality including bolt lock?
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... Am I correct that the AR Catch22 is a better option on a dedicated lower that the Bettermag since it fully emulates AR15 functionality including bolt lock?
+1 for this question. I built mine using the better mag adapter but would be interested to know this as well. Haven’t shot it yet so can’t comment on how I like it. The catch 22 is cheaper and I have a friend that wants two dedicated 22lr ARs. One thing I noticed with the catch 22 is that you need to use a shim on every magazine or on the lower to make S&W 15-22 mags fit properly. One plus I can think of for the better mag adapter is if you want to swap the lower to a centerfire upper, you could a lot easier. I’m thinking the catch 22 might be better. Anybody want to buy a like new better mag adapter?

Edit: just tried everything with the better mag adapter; you get last round bolt hold open which I knew and it stays back if you remove the mag which I wasn’t sure. So I guess the better mag adapter and the catch 22 both are 100% functionality.

Edit 2: So according to Skiptomaloo, three posts down, the catch-22 does not give 100% functionality as the bolt closes once the mag is removed. Better mag adapter is the winner in my book.

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I actually have no idea about the magazines, but I do want to run this dedicated upper on a standard, mil-spec, .223/5.56 AR15 lower
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I actually have no idea about the magazines, but I do want to run this dedicated upper on a standard, mil-spec, .223/5.56 AR15 lower

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which black dog machine magazines do I want? says they have several different generations, or options

I just ordered this from PSA, dedicated 22lr upper ---- the most I have spent on an upper to date!!!!!!!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446934.html




Uses standard Black Dog Machine AR15 - .22LR Magazines
I bought the very same upper for my 22lr dedicated rifle, it was a bit pricey, but your savings are long term on ammo. I use the BDM mags too, I would recommend when you get them to check them for fit as some of them are very snug, and depending on the ammo you may struggle to fit 10 rounds, which may sound insane, but you will see what I mean. If you are looking to have a Last Round Bolt Hold Open - good luck! I added the ar catch 22 at a later day, it does not fully hold open on last round and when magazine is ejected it slams forward - but it does fully hold open the bolt on manual hold - which is ideal for the range.

Might also want to try a "New Frontier Armory LW-4 AR15 Stripped Carbon Fiber Lower Receiver" takes a bit of weight off the build and performs like a work horse and has the best feature for younger shooters, a safety that engages regardless of bolt forward or rear.
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