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Old 09-07-2019, 7:23 PM
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Would regularly wearing a MAGA hat in areas like San Francisco or West Hollywood, and all of the vitriol & threats it would bring, be enough good cause for a CCW?
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Would regularly wearing a MAGA hat in areas like San Francisco or West Hollywood, and all of the vitriol & threats it would bring, be enough good cause for a CCW?
I think that shooting someone in response to vitriol and threats might be frowned upon by your IA. You might just want to stick with ďself-defenseĒ or ďpersonal protectionĒ for your good cause statement.
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Would regularly wearing a MAGA hat in areas like San Francisco or West Hollywood, and all of the vitriol & threats it would bring, be enough good cause for a CCW?
Yes, cause for rejection.

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Good to see all of the deep thinkers were up last night... So how would someone being targeted for attack due to political beliefs be any different than religion or sex? Swap out the MAGA hat for a hijab, yamika or rainbow flag hat.
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Good to see all of the deep thinkers were up last night... So how would someone being targeted for attack due to political beliefs be any different than religion or sex? Swap out the MAGA hat for a hijab, yamika or rainbow flag hat.
What does that have to do with good cause for CCW permit issuance, deep thinker? Are people in your county being issued CCW permits for wearing rainbow flag hats?

In most counties in California, including mine, you simply write two words for your good cause statement -- "self defense" -- and you get a CCW permit no matter what kind of hat you wear.
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If someone often wear's an article of clothing that could and has in some places triggered a physical attack, it show's more poor decision making skills than a need for a ccw. It is not a religious or cultural article, that would be covered under a hate crime.

I see an interview going something like this.
Q: why do you feel you need to carry a concealed firearm?
A: I often wear a MAGA hat when I'm in ultra liberal location's, and that enrage's some people.
Q: Why don't you make better decision's when going to those area's? I don't think this needs to go any further.
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Please please please apply with this. Then when you leaving your denial interview make you remind everyone there that “you got their six”
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I don't wear any Trump stuff 'cause I'm guessing that it would be considered a call to violence and a provocation in CA.
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If someone often wear's an article of clothing that could and has in some places triggered a physical attack, it show's more poor decision making skills than a need for a ccw. It is not a religious or cultural article, that would be covered under a hate crime.

I see an interview going something like this.
Q: why do you feel you need to carry a concealed firearm?
A: I often wear a MAGA hat when I'm in ultra liberal location's, and that enrage's some people.
Q: Why don't you make better decision's when going to those area's? I don't think this needs to go any further.


So now swap it with this. So mister Jewish person. Why do you see the need to wear a yamaka when going into some area hostile to your religion? Dear Miss wearing a hijab, you should just take it off when you are in areas that might be hostile to muslims? Why donít you make better decisions?


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So now swap it with this. So mister Jewish person. Why do you see the need to wear a yamaka when going into some area hostile to your religion? Dear Miss wearing a hijab, you should just take it off when you are in areas that might be hostile to muslims? Why donít you make better decisions?


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It's an apples and oranges discussion. One is a choice and the other's are religious belief's. Although many believe that wearing a yarmulke is only required during prayer, depending on what sect of Judaism one follow's.

Bottom line is an article of clothing, be it a choice or a religious belief should not be a determining factor in "good cause". Personal defense should be that factor in every county, sadly it isn't though.
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Religious and political freedoms/protections are different under the law.

Unfortunately you sound like a person purposely looking to provoke someone so you can claim 'self defense' and relish in the fact that you fired upon your political enemy.

I do not want people like you with ccws.

When you have a ccw it means you follow the law, act respectfully dont provoke, and censor and political or ideological view that may reasonably be perceived by others as inflammatory.

Ccw is for good moral character people, not wannabe cowboys.

Do you see off duty cops wearing political or inflammatory clothes?

I'll answer for you: no

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Religious and political freedoms/protections are different under the law.

Unfortunately you sound like a person purposely looking to provoke someone so you can claim 'self defense' and relish in the fact that you fired upon your political enemy.

I do not want people like you with ccws.

When you have a ccw it means you follow the law, act respectfully dont provoke, and censor and political or ideological view that may reasonably be perceived by others as inflammatory.

Ccw is for good moral character people, not wannabe cowboys.

Do you see off duty cops wearing political or inflammatory clothes?

I'll answer for you: no

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Typical authoritarian gun owner. You people are disgusting. The OP was clearly being silly and your response shows that you believe in privilege over an inalienable right. The right exists regardless of your opinion and demand of others to behave as you think they should.

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You people are disgusting.
Thatís a little extreme, donít you think?
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Old 09-08-2019, 11:33 AM
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That’s a little extreme, don’t you think?
No. I run into many people who think, and treat, the 2A as an earned privilege. It is this paradigm that enables gun control. Almost uniformly, these sorts of people demand other gun owners behave and “own” as they do. Nothing pisses me off more than some skeet shooting moron complaining about AR-15’s while holding a $5,000+ shotgun. They cannot understand that the Left cannot and will not tolerate either gun. A concealed carry instructor ranting about open carry is even worse...they have economic incentives to ban open carry and keep concealed carry limited. They are vermin!

Humans who think this way are “you people”. Just clarifying before someone misinterprets what I said.

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The law is is the law.

You can talk about "unalienable rights" all you want. California law will show you what's what...

Here in REALITY a ccw must be obtained according to California state law.

It's best to follow that law if the OP is seeking a ccw...

The 2A stuff is political and should be addressed politically if one disagrees.

There are some good YouTube videos of 2A guys demanding ccws because it's their right... it doesn't end well for the applicants.



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Typical authoritarian gun owner. You people are disgusting. The OP was clearly being silly and your response shows that you believe in privilege over an inalienable right. The right exists regardless of your opinion and demand of others to behave as you think they should.
Tom is correct about the intentions of my post. I don't believe Starlight is disgusting, but his assumptions about me are incorrect and his reaction a bit overemotional and authoritarian.

To Stir the pot a bit more, how is one's religion not a choice? Isn't wearing a representation of one's particular faith just like wearing a MAGA hat? It represents something the wearer believes in. I'd even argue that to many on the extreme left, politics is their new religion.

How is fear of being attacked for one's political beliefs less of a reason to want to defend yourself than say a good cause statement of, "I like to go hiking or camping". You can view videos on YouTube of people being assaulted for political reasons, but I don't see many videos of people being attached while hiking / camping.

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Still....not good cause for ccw.
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OP...

At the risk of calling you a troll I suggest you try your idea as good cause and see what the issuing authority decides.

Nearly everyone in this thread has stated that the maga hat is not good cause.

Religion and politics may both be choices, but the LAW treats political choice and religion very differently.

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I said right in the beginning this topic was just for discussion... Seems to me several folks are wound a little tight and not very open to just having a theoretical discussion. Did I say I was going to use MAGA as good cause? Did I say I was looking to shoot those who disagree with me politically? I bet some of you folks are real fun at parties...
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I said right in the beginning this topic was just for discussion... Seems to me several folks are wound a little tight and not very open to just having a theoretical discussion. Did I say I was going to use MAGA as good cause? Did I say I was looking to shoot those who disagree with me politically? I bet some of you folks are real fun at parties...
The answer to your theoretical question is no. And unless people in your county are actually being issued CCW permits for wearing rainbow flag hats, then everything you’ve attempted to discuss after Post #2 is based on a false premise. But if that’s your idea of fun, then party on.
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Its pronounced " YARMULKA " and no I am not jewish.

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Would... wearing a MAGA hat... be enough good cause for a CCW?


No. But it IS good cause for a full psych eval.
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Maybe not good cause but in some places good reason to get shot. (LOL)
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The Maga hat alone will not be enough for good cause. I would add that you often wear a sign board like Bruce Willis in Die Hard.

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We all know it can attract unhinged violent leftists, even the most “progressive” knows they have a violence problem on the left though they may not admit it. You would be effectively setting bait inviting the attack. CCW not supposed to do that. Blend in and be nobody is the goal.
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I don't wear ballcaps, EVER (I'm more of a fedora guy... ).

But IF I DID... it'd BE MAGA!
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... I do not want people like you with ccws ...

... censor and political or ideological view that may reasonably be perceived by others as inflammatory ...
So according to you we can exercise our First Amendment rights, or our Second Amendment rights, but not both.

Ridiculous.
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Reminds of the some LA Dodgers Fans who came up to San Francisco to watch a game and attacked a SF Giants Fan. SF Fan was kicked until brain damaged. Should of had a CCW and could have saved himself.

Even Sports Team wears would be called inflammatory.
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Reminds of the some LA Dodgers Fans who came up to San Francisco to watch a game and attacked a SF Giants Fan. SF Fan was kicked until brain damaged. Should of had a CCW and could have saved himself.

Even Sports Team wears would be called inflammatory.
Totally get what you mean.....although it was a Giants fan beaten at Dodger Stadium.

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Reminds of the some LA Dodgers Fans who came up to San Francisco to watch a game and attacked a SF Giants Fan. SF Fan was kicked until brain damaged. Should of had a CCW and could have saved himself.



Even Sports Team wears would be called inflammatory.


This example is pretty much the point I was trying to make and have folks think about. Those who got all revved up about it being a MAGA hat or baiting someone into violence are missing the entire point.


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asshat question.......
Hahaha, no doubt.

While most here are fans of Trump, wearing a MAGA hat these days is just asking to get mugged by someone thatís triggered easily. Then if youíre ccw and you use it for self defense, you, your spouse, your kids and your home will be blasted on CNN for weeks and weeks.

Dumb dumb dumb idea to expose oneself like that. Itís a shame, but these are the times we live in. Donít make yourself into a victim. Donít parade around, asking for a confrontation. Youíll just lose in the end.
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Dumb dumb dumb idea to expose oneself like that. Itís a shame, but these are the times we live in. Donít make yourself into a victim. Donít parade around, asking for a confrontation. Youíll just lose in the end.
Don't parade around, asking for a confrontation? So, is this the same argument that says if a woman wears a short skirt, she is asking to be raped?

As well, consider a transgender woman, who may not blend in as well as she would like. Is it a choice for her to wear a skirt, and potentially get beat up or killed for it? And, at least according to SDCGO, this has been used as a successful GC statement (https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/ ).

Does ANY piece of clothing, for any reason, justify being attacked? (Rhetorical. No need for answers on this one...)

It would seem to me that if I wore a MAGA hat, and had documented instances of being threatened, I would absolutely use that for my GC statement. Not because I would be trying to game the system, but rather because I had a demonstrated, particular, need for self-defense. And, if the Sheriff suggested to me to just NOT wear my MAGA hat, I think I would ask the Sheriff if that was his recommendation to transgender women, or even women who are attacked because of their "incitement" in clothing choice...
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Don't parade around, asking for a confrontation? So, is this the same argument that says if a woman wears a short skirt, she is asking to be raped?

As well, consider a transgender woman, who may not blend in as well as she would like. Is it a choice for her to wear a skirt, and potentially get beat up or killed for it? And, at least according to SDCGO, this has been used as a successful GC statement (https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/ ).

Does ANY piece of clothing, for any reason, justify being attacked? (Rhetorical. No need for answers on this one...)

It would seem to me that if I wore a MAGA hat, and had documented instances of being threatened, I would absolutely use that for my GC statement. Not because I would be trying to game the system, but rather because I had a demonstrated, particular, need for self-defense. And, if the Sheriff suggested to me to just NOT wear my MAGA hat, I think I would ask the Sheriff if that was his recommendation to transgender women, or even women who are attacked because of their "incitement" in clothing choice...
Nobody is saying it's right. Just the way it is.

You're effectively setting bait and when you carry concealed, you should not be doing things to attract unwanted negative attention to yourself. Concealed means concealed, blend in, disappear in a crowd and be nobody.


Should a sexy girl be safe walking down a dark alley at 2:00AM by herself?
In a perfect world. Sure. Is that wise in the real world? No, it's off the charts stupid.

I don't want to attract unwanted drama. I don't want another complication if I'm in court fighting for my freedom after a use of lethal force.

That's how I see it and I think it's common sense.
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Nobody is saying it's right. Just the way it is.

You're are effectively setting bait and when you carry concealed, you should not be doing things to attract unwanted negative attention to yourself. Concealed means concealed, blend in, disappear in a crowd and be nobody.


Should a sexy girl be safe walking down a dark alley at 2:00AM by herself?
In a perfect world. Sure. Is that wise in the real world? No, it's off the charts stupid.

I don't want to attract unwanted drama. I don't want another complication if I'm in court fighting for my freedom after a use of lethal force.

That's how I see it and I think it's common sense.
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Wearing a MAGA hat is completely optional, so no one is going to issue a permit based on the fact it is perceived by the wearer as dangerous - at least not in LA/SF etc.
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Kate,

Right and wrong are subjective and irrelevant.

True or false is what matters in reality.

If a 18 year old girl with a big booty and b00bs is wearing a cheerleader outfit or French maid outfit at 3am on Friday night, she is very much more likely to be sexually assaulted.

That is just truth.
It was the truth in 1719 and it is the truth in 2019.

The issue here is that in OC you cannot purposely induce risk towards yourself in order to create good cause.

The tranny good cause has been a thing since forever...decades... trannys dont choose to dress tranny.

Political hats are provocative to some.. but completely optional...
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Don't parade around, asking for a confrontation? So, is this the same argument that says if a woman wears a short skirt, she is asking to be raped?
Hey buddy, you like it, I LOVE it! Iím not stopping you from exercising your 1A rights. Go ahead and don one and we will be reading about you in the annual Darwin awards news letter. Itís very entertaining.

...Then donít cry when you go through all the legal hassle for shooting someone over a stupid hat and get your ccw yanked. CNN will be there documenting your rage as you get dragged through the legal system..... over nothing.

...Pass the popcorn, this is gonna be great.

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