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Old 09-11-2019, 10:06 AM
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I have asked before about a 338 Lapua rifle, but with plans on moving to a place where I am better able to let the thing stretch its legs, I am revisiting choice in rifles. And besides, I just want it. Rifle will be use in non-competition environment, hitting steel or reactive targets at 1000+ yards. Fired off bench and possibly prone w/bipod or heavy rest. Manageable recoil and muzzle blast would be nice (yes, I know it IS a 338 Lapua, and I have shot one). Budget is < $3,000 for rifle (optics not included). I would like comments on the rifles below for the usage I stated. If others come to mind, please advise. I have not included the $4,000 Sako TRG-42, but if persuaded it is worth the coin, I will consider. I will also consider used rifles of any brand.

https://www.sako.fi/en-us/rifles/sak...rg-42#overview


Ruger RPR
https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18080.html
$2,099
It is heavy at 15.2 lbs, a GOOD thing for me given its use and reduction in recoil. Wish the stock was a MagPul PRS.

Model 700 Tactical Chassis
https://www.remington.com/rifles/bol...ctical-chassis
$2600+
Heavyish (a good thing). Do not need long rail. Is 700 action up to 338 Lapua? Some smiths will not chamber that round with a 700.

Savage 110FCP HS Precision
https://savagearms.com/content?p=fir...ummary&s=19481
$1759
Lightest of the three. Proprietary mags. Must get a check rest as stock too low for scope. May benefit from bedding. Those improvements put it on par with the Ruger in cost.

At present, the Ruger RPR and Remington look appealing. The Ruger is heavy, reducing recoil. I do wonder about the use of a Remington 700 action with the 338 Lapua, unless Remington beefed it up. I know some smiths will not chamber a 338 Lapua on a Remington 700.

Thanks.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:24 AM
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In a factory sized action I would only consider a single shot like the Savage Magnum Target.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:36 AM
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I think the RPR just takes AR stocks so you might be able to put a Magpul PRS on it.

For your stated purposes, you might also consider a .300 PRC. With 225 gr factory ammo, it still has plenty of thwack. Similar ballistic curves as the Lapua, some military units are buying it, probably recoils less, and the ammo in general is going to be cheaper.
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Old 09-11-2019, 1:24 PM
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I have the RPR, I'm satisfied with it. Have only shot out to 600 so far, but it's accurate and consistent. Recoil is light for the caliber, blast is as expected.
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Old 09-11-2019, 2:35 PM
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I think the RPR just takes AR stocks so you might be able to put a Magpul PRS on it.

For your stated purposes, you might also consider a .300 PRC. With 225 gr factory ammo, it still has plenty of thwack. Similar ballistic curves as the Lapua, some military units are buying it, probably recoils less, and the ammo in general is going to be cheaper.
Yes, agreed. The 300 PRC is a strong logical alternative to the 338 Lapua. I knew little about it, but checked it out after your reply and it indeed is a well thought out and strong performer. Your specific facts also make that clear. So why am I resistant to the 300, when for my usage, the 300 (and some others) would be plenty capable?

In all honesty, it is because I just want the 338 Lapua. No logic to it. I don't "need" it. Just an emotional desire for the 338. Strictly my "want" speaking. It is what will give me some happiness, even if it rattles my skull, punches me in the shoulder, irritates those next to me, and cost $2 a shot with reloaded ammo.

Just like people who buy a fast, hard riding, cramped, hard to see out of sports car (or anything) that far exceeds their needs, we buy it anyway because it is an emotional itch that needs scratching, that gives us joy. I am also older, and before I get too old to shoot, I want to have spent part of my life with a 338.
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Old 09-11-2019, 2:55 PM
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If you really want a 338 I’d save another 1000 for a sako. If you’re dead set on staying under 3 grand I’d get the 700, then a weatherby mark V, then the ruger. I’d avoid the savage for the reasons listed in the op.
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Old 09-11-2019, 3:14 PM
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You might consider building a gun off of a Remington action so you start off with the stock you want and a good throat with the right twist rate in the barrel.
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Old 09-11-2019, 3:19 PM
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If you really want a 338 I’d save another 1000 for a sako. If you’re dead set on staying under 3 grand I’d get the 700, then a weatherby mark V, then the ruger. I’d avoid the savage for the reasons listed in the op.
Agreed. I have a TRG-42 in .300WM, but it was so great that I also bought a TRG-22. I think if you get a slightly used TRG-42 in .338 you can get close to your $3K mark. Prices have gone up considerably though... I got mine 10 years ago for $2600.

Oh yeah, where in CA are you? Ryenex in Chino Hills has a TRG-42 in .338LM on consignment. But I don't remember what the asking price was.

If your heart is on the TRG-42. Save up and get it. It's worth the price of admission in my opinion.
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Old 09-11-2019, 3:37 PM
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I guess I'm in the minority, not liking the Savage and Ruger factory triggers which use the blade insert. They're OK. Probably easy to manufacture. But OK or even a tad better than OK isn't all that good when shooting +500 yds. They can be adjusted only so much. I get it that they're mostly creep free but IIRC not for over travel. They're the Toyota Camry of triggers. Good, don't do anything bad but don't really do anything great.
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In case you hadn’t seen it...

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...cord-on-video/

Not a recommendation, just an FYI

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Old 09-12-2019, 3:40 AM
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before you buy a factory 338 id suggest you look into putting one together...

stiller action $1270
barrel and smith $700ish
trigger $200ish-$300ish if you want a nice 2 stage
MPA chassis $925-$1075 if you want a folder

so some where between $3025-$3275 here and up to about $4000 if you want to go all out.

if your set on a factory gun then personally id talk to randall and or billygoat about the remington and go from there.
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Phil3 - my personal experience with the Savage you mentioned in the OP - TERRIBLE brake and TERRIBLE trigger. Turned up with a rolled up towel to cushion the recoil and quite literally gave away that rifle because of the trigger (unsafe). Most frustrating rifle I have ever owned.

As Lynn suggested, consider a "custom build" - whether it is using a trued Rem 700 or one of the many excellent custom actions - yes, that could be $1000-$1200 over your max $3000 budget but at that point you'd have an excellent, no-compromises, well-smithed, well-integrated shooter. After that its up to you. BTW, while the rifle and scope are the heavy hitters in re cost, you'll find that you will turn up adding a bunch of cost for reloading gear and "consumables". Been there, done that, be prepared...and enjoy shooting.
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Old 09-15-2019, 5:42 PM
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Shop around, and check gun broker. You should be able to pick one up for about $1600. I’m after the RPR in .338 myself. I was completely sold after handling one in a local shop, and reading the review in Shooting mag a few months ago. IMHO, it’s the Best Buy for a LDR.
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Awsm or axmc
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I want a 338 Lapua rifle
Budget is < $3,000 for rifle (optics not included).
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Old 09-15-2019, 6:34 PM
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Did I mention reading comprehension isn't one of my strong suits? :-)

In my defense, he did have the awsm as his avatar

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Or a few more pesos for an AI
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/830187484

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Phil3 - my personal experience with the Savage you mentioned in the OP - TERRIBLE brake and TERRIBLE trigger. Turned up with a rolled up towel to cushion the recoil and quite literally gave away that rifle because of the trigger (unsafe). Most frustrating rifle I have ever owned.

As Lynn suggested, consider a "custom build" - whether it is using a trued Rem 700 or one of the many excellent custom actions - yes, that could be $1000-$1200 over your max $3000 budget but at that point you'd have an excellent, no-compromises, well-smithed, well-integrated shooter. After that its up to you. BTW, while the rifle and scope are the heavy hitters in re cost, you'll find that you will turn up adding a bunch of cost for reloading gear and "consumables". Been there, done that, be prepared...and enjoy shooting.
What was unsafe about the trigger? A friend of mine has a Savage .338 Lap and he really likes it.
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Old 09-15-2019, 8:02 PM
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A stock Savage 338lm action/bbl just set a record for 3 consecutive hits at 2k meters from cold bore.
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That cant be true. Savage only builds trash *rolls eyes*
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It's actually even more horrifying than a guy with a factory 338 Lapua Savage action and barrel setting the ELR world record.

The guy had all his fingers smashed off in an industrial accident. The one he's using as his trigger finger was his ring finger. They rebuilt it some with good pieces from the others and moved it.

I'm guessing he's not a trigger drama queen either.
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Old 09-17-2019, 2:17 PM
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Humans are pretty adaptable, good on him.
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Old 09-17-2019, 3:13 PM
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The problem with building a custom rifle for a new game is it's extremely unlikely you'll get it right the first time.

If it's some kind of value decision, I second StephanieLynn's suggestion that you work from GunBroker pricing. My 338 Lapua RPR was $1530 delivered to my FFL.

The TRG is a really nice gun. If you're trying to back into a reason to buy that, just write the check and post the pictures. It's the TRG that has the $250 proprietary magazines though, not the Savage.

I have 3 ELR guns built on Savage actions. The one that came with an Accutrigger still has it. The others have the Rifle Basix SAV-2. I set mine at just over 2#, but they'll go lower. I also worked on the gun Oscar gave away for the second owner. There wasn't anything wrong with that gun that wasn't easily fixed. It had a larger barrel chambered in 338 Lapua Improved and a different brake by the time I met it. I won't build any more of these now that the Magnum RPR is out. It's just an easier and more interesting way to go.

My first ELR gun was a R700 in 300wm. It competed successfully against 338 Lapua's in URSA matches. I'm not suggesting you move away from 338 Lapua. As long as Remington is selling 338 Lapua R700s, I'm not worried about building or shooting one.

I bought the 338 Lapua RPR soon after it came out and immediately rebarreled it in 300 Norma. Again, I'm not suggesting that you change calibers. I'm thinking about buying another one soon. It will take the Magpul and other AR stocks, but they mount several inches further back than they do on an AR. The minimum LOP for the Magpul on the RPR is over 16". Its hard to match the features of the Ruger stock with something that fits on a RPR. Prefit barrels and the tooling to install them have become available for the Magnum RPR.

From a straight first cost perspective, its hard to beat the Savage 112 Target Magnum. Maximum performance 338 Lapua rounds don't fit in a magazine and a lot of ELR shooters single load even if they do. You might have to wait a bit for the ELR world record interest in them to die down. This would also be a good first gun to shoot until you figure out exactly what you want. Prefit barrels are also available for these if you decide to upgrade the factory barrel. That type of upgrade won't have the gun down for weeks and makes it simple to try new things before you invest in an entire new gun.

It's unlikely that the Savage or Remington they send you will extract as well as the RPR they sent me. The Magnum RPR I have extracts as well as my Savages and R700 after extraction timing work. It's simpler to fix on the Savages, but fewer people do it.
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I'm the guy who ended up with the factory Savage in the above couple of posts.
The problem with the factory trigger was it wouldn't stay set at a given pull weight. I put a drop of clear varnish on it to keep the factory spring from walking around but it didn't help.
I gave that trigger away free of charge and shipping right here on Calguns and the new owner has it on a much less brutal recoiling gun and says he likes it.
When Shaun worked on the gun it had every part replaced including the trigger, bolt assembly and barrel. The only factory parts on the gun are the receiver the stock and the magazine. The plastic red dot on the safety was even replaced.
I bought a bolt lift kit from Pacific Tool for it and never had any luck getting it to work so the gun gas gone unfired for several years now.
I had BillyGoat Machine build me a 338 Lapua Ackley Improved and a 338 Norma Ackley Improved both on 700 actions and they shoot beautifully without any issues.

For those unfamiliar Phil has shot one of my 1000 yard unlimited guns at 1000 yards at Sacramento many years ago.
Phil you are always welcome to try the 338's BillyGoatMachine put together at Circle S Ranch to see how you like them.
They are built on the order of a 1000 yard lightguns with a McMillan Stock and 28-30 inch Max heavy varmint barrel and weigh around 16 pounds with a 12-42X Nightforce scope and 2 ounce trigger.
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