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Old 06-26-2019, 4:10 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra...lobbying-group

Chris Cox is out, now, as well. Things are starting to shake.
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Chris Cox is out, now, as well. Things are starting to shake.
Apparently Chris Cocks refused to give the NRA another $15 million loan from the ILA accounts, since the last loan was never repaid.

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Yep. And poor old Karl Malone - went from being touted in one post as a stalwart whose words had importance, to pretty much cut down at the knees in his other.
Karl Malone is a symptom of the NRA BoD. He is a celebrity BoD member who has never attended the NRA BoD Meetings and ASSuMed all was well. He would never know any better because he never showed up to ask any questions. As far as a guy like the EVP would be concerned Karl Malone is a perfect candidate for the BoD.

When Karl Malone is informed of what is going on he like most people was stunned at the situation. A fairly normal reaction to the shenanigans at NRA HQ.

Now here is another problem, according to Tom Gresham the average NRA BoD member is not entitled to access the NRA financials beyond the annual report. The only NRA BoD members who have access to the books as it would be called are NRA BoD members on the finance committee. Also past performance of the NRA BoD financial committee is any BoD member on the committee who asks too many questions about said financial gets removed.
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Chris Cox is out, now, as well. Things are starting to shake.
This is progress!
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Apparently Chris Cocks refused to give the NRA another $15 million loan from the ILA accounts, since the last loan was never repaid.

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com...and+Money)&m=1
LOL Jesus, it stinks more than first thought. Where's all those ride-or-die Cal guns members who refused to discuss this a few weeks ago?
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Yup, sure sounds corrupt to me.

But we'll still not be allowed to fix it. WLP appears to have the system pretty well locked up as his own fiefdom.
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Every story, every leak, every comment, every statement is designed to make the NRA seem corrupt!

For the sake of freedom cut off ALL ANTIGUN MEDIA !
Whats wrong with you people !
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What what is wrong is we are angry the NRA EVP and NRA BoD have just about destroyed the NRA.
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I am a member of both the NRA and CRPA.

There are clearly financial improprieties at the NRA, and, at least, an internal power struggle is going on. Men like Oliver North and Chris Cox are being forced out, apparently because they are calling for accountability.

The NRA board seems to be a largely ceremonial body, with true control being exercised by WLP.

Removing the NRA would obviously be a huge setback for gun rights, and the anti-gun side will do anything they can to publicize these internal divisions. Any weakness will be exploited.

2A supporters need to acknowledge the problems at the NRA and clean house to ensure the survival of the organization. Fragmenting into squabbling sub-groups is a terrible scenario for gun rights.

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Slowpoke gets it. A strong NRA is our best chance. We have to be open to the fact that a great organization can have weak leaders. If we members determine the leadership is poor, we replace them.
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I am a member of both the NRA and CRPA.

There are clearly financial improprieties at the NRA, and, at least, an internal power struggle is going on. Men like Oliver North and Chris Cox are being forced out, apparently because they are calling for accountability.

The NRA board seems to be a largely ceremonial body, with true control being exercised by WLP.

Removing the NRA would obviously be a huge setback for gun rights, and the anti-gun side will do anything they can to publicize these internal divisions. Any weakness will be exploited.

2A supporters need to acknowledge the problems at the NRA and clean house to ensure the survival of the organization. Fragmenting into squabbling sub-groups is a terrible scenario for gun rights.

Together we are strong.
Thank you for being a member and will you kindly post links to the "clearly financial improprieties "

Whats clear to me is lots of innuendo,lots of class warfare and lots of people claiming NRA membership who pretend to want it fixed. Their fix is throwing out leadership that has achieved PROGUN legislatures in 34 state's, and CCW in 6 others that are not so progun.

Bet the farm, these Soros/Bloomberg/New York times people want another Ollie North! We saw Ollie at the 2018 prayer breakfast NRA Dallas.
One year later we asked ourselves? " Where has Ollie been for an entire year"?

And NO we do not need to acknowledge problems at the NRA. Thanks to them and our voters rights are being safeguarded. Sheesh the NRA face's an AUDIT EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN NEW YORK. If there was anything New York TIMES and their pals would broadcasted every minute 24/7

Vote for board members you trust and hold it them if you think a problem exists, otherwise wait for criminal charges and then decide the evidence.
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If you can not read the articles, the links to NRA officials disclosures showing NRA BoD members cashing in with the organization, see the resignation of guys like Pete Brownell without thinking there are problems. It is not our fault if you are gullible.

As for voting, I like others hope there is time, but as many others have said it, it might already be too late.
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This has the stink of corrupt board clinging onto power
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This has the stink of corrupt board clinging onto power
No it has the stink of a big democrat media trying to destroy the NRA with innuendo, false charges, and class warfare! Innocent people have lots to fear if people like you are called to jury service!


Are you even a dues paying member of the NRA ? Most of the complainers on this board are not.
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I am a dues paying member of the NRA but I don't know for how much longer that will be true. I have two simple requests for you, NRA management and the NRA Board - (1) identify each of the disclosures from the various media reports that are not true and (2) identify each of the various media disclosures that are true. I am not interested in platitudes or derogatory comments from or about the NRA - I simply would like the truth and then I can decide if I believe that member contributions were misused for myself.
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Old 06-30-2019, 8:35 AM
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I am a dues paying member of the NRA but I don't know for how much longer that will be true. I have two simple requests for you, NRA management and the NRA Board - (1) identify each of the disclosures from the various media reports that are not true and (2) identify each of the various media disclosures that are true. I am not interested in platitudes or derogatory comments from or about the NRA - I simply would like the truth and then I can decide if I believe that member contributions were misused for myself.
I am an NRA Life Endowment member and I truly believe this is much to do about nothing.

History teaches us there is nothing mainstream media and democrats would NOT do to win elections and destroy gun rights.

If you are into class warfare or jealousy of what others make. You will probably abandon the NRA thats their plan.

Our only concern's should be: Are the NRA leaders effective?
My view is Yes they are .
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I agree that nothing in the MSM can be trusted. All this may be a false flag designed to wreck the NRA. But clearly something is going on and I sure would like to know what it is. I am not giving up on the NRA, but at some point someone responsible in the organization is going to have to issue a clear explanation.

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I agree that nothing in the MSM can be trusted. All this may be a false flag designed to wreck the NRA. But clearly something is going on and I sure would like to know what it is. I am not giving up on the NRA, but at some point someone responsible in the organization is going to have to issue a clear explanation.

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fact is if there was any financial impropriety,one New York would charged them.
2 and more important no credible news agency has reported this. Its a slander, pure and simple.

Considering the swamp and their media have tried to overturn Trumps election,I am surprised New York hasn't tried it.

I do have have 1 question. What H are we doing in any part of New York?
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If you really think all this is just a false flag perpetuated by the left wing media and gun grabbers, you are delusional, sorry. Chris Cox was a straight shooter, when he resigns you know its bad... really really bad. It's been obvious to anyone paying attention that donations have been drying up, at the same time spending has been going up outside an election cycle. The BoD is a joke, its completely ceremonial. Even when professional shooters make it on the board (e.g. Julie Golob) they add NOTHING to the oversight of the organization. The NRA is headed to bankruptcy and reorganization. I hope a different NRA emerges, with its house cleaned up, a functioning board, and ALL the cronies OUT.
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Regarding Chris Cox, did he resign or was he fired? Why? I have seen both stories distributed. It’s not even clear to me who is running NRA.
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If you really think all this is just a false flag perpetuated by the left wing media and gun grabbers, you are delusional, sorry. Chris Cox was a straight shooter, when he resigns you know its bad... really really bad.
Have you actually read the emails and texts between Cox and Boren discussing and planning Ollie North's attempt to blackmail Wayne?

How about a simple timeline:

Oliver North gets a $1,00,000+ movie deal with Ackerman-McQueen.

Wayne/NRA sues Ackerman-McQueen for overcharging the NRA.

Oliver North attempts to blackmail Wayne in to resigning, which would effectively kill the lawsuit.

Emails and text enter as evidence in lawsuit show Chris Cox and Dan Boren not only knew of North's blackmail attempt but helped coordinate it.

Chris Cox is suspended by the NRA due to his part in the North blackmail attempt.

Several days later Chris Cox resigns.




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Regarding Chris Cox, did he resign or was he fired? Why? I have seen both stories distributed.
Suspended and then resigned, because his part in Oliver North's blackmail attempt on behalf of Ackerman-McQueen.


It’s not even clear to me who is running NRA.
There in lies the crux of the issue.

Three parties want to run the NRA:

Wayne La Pierre and the Board of Directors.

Akerman-McQueen, the media service that was contracted by the NRA.

Jeff Knox, Rob Pincus, Ollie North, etc.

Wayne and the BoD are pretty much the people who should be running the NRA. If the Board decides to remove Wayne or the Board changes then that changes things but unless that happens the ones that run things are the people employed or elected to do so.

Ack-McQ want to continue having access to their cash cow and to stop the lawsuit from the NRA. The easiest way to do that is through proxies attacking the NRA leaders.

Jeff Knox wants to try to 'avenge' and complete his father Neal Knox's failed attempt to take over the NRA back in the late 70's-early 80's.
Pincus is the Exec. Director of another 'Pro-2A' org that wants a cut of those yummy 2A donations.
North, well he's got a million dollar movie deal to protect so his motive is the clearest of all.
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Have you actually read the emails and texts between Cox and Boren discussing and planning Ollie North's attempt to blackmail Wayne?

How about a simple timeline:

Oliver North gets a $1,00,000+ movie deal with Ackerman-McQueen.

Wayne/NRA sues Ackerman-McQueen for overcharging the NRA.

Oliver North attempts to blackmail Wayne in to resigning, which would effectively kill the lawsuit.

Emails and text enter as evidence in lawsuit show Chris Cox and Dan Boren not only knew of North's blackmail attempt but helped coordinate it.

Chris Cox is suspended by the NRA due to his part in the North blackmail attempt.

Several days later Chris Cox resigns.





There in lies the crux of the issue.

Three parties want to run the NRA:

Wayne La Pierre and the Board of Directors.

Akerman-McQueen, the media service that was contracted by the NRA.

Jeff Knox, Rob Pincus, Ollie North, etc.

Wayne and the BoD are pretty much the people who should be running the NRA. If the Board decides to remove Wayne or the Board changes then that changes things but unless that happens the ones that run things are the people employed or elected to do so.

Ack-McQ want to continue having access to their cash cow and to stop the lawsuit from the NRA. The easiest way to do that is through proxies attacking the NRA leaders.

Jeff Knox wants to try to 'avenge' and complete his father Neal Knox's failed attempt to take over the NRA back in the late 70's-early 80's.
Pincus is the Exec. Director of another 'Pro-2A' org that wants a cut of those yummy 2A donations.
North, well he's got a million dollar movie deal to protect so his motive is the clearest of all.
Thank you for the clear, concise, accurate assessment of what is going on.
In other words we can choose sides. At the risk of offending someone I will say only a moron would choose any side but Wayne La Pierre and the board .
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Kestryll’s explanation is the best I have read ... has the NRA released a similar synopsis?
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Kestryll’s explanation is the best I have read ... has the NRA released a similar synopsis?
There are multiple lawsuits in play.

One of the First things most lawyers would advise their clients is to
Not discuss anything related to the case in public:


WHY DO ATTORNEYS SAY DON’T TALK ABOUT YOUR CASE?
https://attorney-myers.com/2014/03/d...out-your-case/

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"Don’t talk about your case.” Nearly all attorneys advise clients not to
discuss ongoing legal matters. But why?

In a criminal case the reason is obvious. Any statement made by a person
of interest can easily be turned around by prosecutors and used against him
or her.

But in a civil case what’s the problem? There are many reasons never to
discuss a case.
As the assorted lawsuits unfold, we will learn more about the various issues,
with the actual facts and evidence being determined by the court.

Right now we have a bunch of conjecture, allegations, and innuendos,
fueled by a wide ranging assortment of people, some with agendas,
like the Anti 2A Shills that disguise themselves as “concerned” gun owners,
showing up on Gun Forums and social media, spreading subtle and Not so
Subtle propaganda, usually targeting the NRA or 2A.

To be fair, we do have some well intentioned NRA members, that do offer
their criticism, but do not wish to see the NRA burn to the ground, and
continue their overall support for the NRA, even as it goes thru it’s current
upheaval.

Remember, we must not lose focus that Democrat Governor Cuomo continues
his abuse of power in an illegal attempt to cripple the NRA financially,
as well as the Anti NRA NY AG going after the NRA 501c status, which is
what triggered the NRA to sue Ack Mac in the first place, because Ac Mac
was not cooperating, as the NRA got ready for the NY AG biased investigation.

(Before she was even elected to the New York Attorney General office she had
stated that the NRA was a “terrorist organization” and she planned to go after it)

Dropping all support for the NRA is EXACTLY what Bloomberg and the
Anti 2A Democrats want Gun Owners to do going into the 2020 elections.


Let’s Not accommodate them.


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There are multiple lawsuits in play.

One of the First things most lawyers would advise their clients is to
Not discuss anything related to the case in public:


WHY DO ATTORNEYS SAY DON’T TALK ABOUT YOUR CASE?
https://attorney-myers.com/2014/03/d...out-your-case/



As the assorted lawsuits unfold, we will learn more about the various issues,
with the actual facts and evidence being determined by the court.

Right now we have a bunch of conjecture, allegations, and innuendos,
fueled by a wide ranging assortment of people, some with agendas,
like the Anti 2A Shills that disguise themselves as “concerned” gun owners,
showing up on Gun Forums and social media, spreading subtle and Not so
Subtle propaganda, usually targeting the NRA or 2A.

To be fair, we do have some well intentioned NRA members, that do offer
their criticism, but do not wish to see the NRA burn to the ground, and
continue their overall support for the NRA, even as it goes thru it’s current
upheaval.

Remember, we must not lose focus that Democrat Governor Cuomo continues
his abuse of power in an illegal attempt to cripple the NRA financially,
as well as the Anti NRA NY AG going after the NRA 501c status, which is
what triggered the NRA to sue Ack Mac in the first place, because Ac Mac
was not cooperating, as the NRA got ready for the NY AG biased investigation.

(Before she was even elected to the New York Attorney General office she had
stated that the NRA was a “terrorist organization” and she planned to go after it)

Dropping all support for the NRA is EXACTLY what Bloomberg and the
Anti 2A Democrats want Gun Owners to do going into the 2020 elections.


Let’s Not accommodate them.


Noble
Good analysis Noble !
Can you or anyone else explain why the NRA is still in New York ?

It would seem a no brainer that they go where they are wanted, much like gun manufactures have left for better places.
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yes, I've read the txt msgs (at least the snippets included in the lawsuit, which I believe to be highly selective and not complete), and Wayne's CYA letter. There is no doubt they tried to push Wayne out. I support pushing Wayne out, he's certainly never going to step down, why would he, he's got a cash cow he's been milking forever. As a life member, I've wanted Wayne out for a lot longer than those guys. I think he's a terrible public face for the NRA, if you haven't noticed, "angry white guy" has been a bad look for 15 years or more.. we've been losing the PR game. I love Dana, but she's only marginally helping. I haven't liked the ceremonial board, instead of a strong board providing real oversight, this has allowed Wayne, Marion and others to feather their bed; absolute power corrupts absolutely. The board is a joke.

Did the NRA borrow $15M from the ILA? Did they refuse to pay it back? Did they try to borrow more and were told no by Chris? Did that play a role in his suspension/resignation as well? There is a lot yet to come out here. It all stinks. I've given the organization a lot of money over the years, more than most on here, and I'm pissed off. I want reform, and a new, strong NRA to emerge. The various boogeyman arguments regarding Bloomberg, Soros, the NY AG, etc. don't scare me into supporting an org that I question the integrity of. until the NRA proves to me its running a tight ship, focused relentlessly on defending the 2A, not giving 1 inch, my support dollars will continue to flow to other organizations while this crap show sorts itself out in court.
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Is it normal for your former director of General Operations and current chief of staff to have lost or settled 18 lawsuits for bad business dealings in the past decade?

Is $1.8m /month a reasonable fee for a lawyer?

Is it normal for that lawyer to have been sanctioned in separate incidents in two states (Virginia and Texas?

Is it normal for that lawyer to be closely related to 2 of the former lawyers/PR team -- the ones fired for overbilling/insider dealing?

Is it normal for that $1.8 million/month NRA lawyer to donate to antigun candidates Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Dick Durban, Ted Strickland, and Beto O’Rourke?


I'd like to give the NRA the benefit of the doubt, especially with 2020 breathing down our necks. But the more closely you look, the worse it seems to get!

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/***...#axzz5sa13fIVo
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Good analysis Noble !
Can you or anyone else explain why the NRA is still in New York ?

It would seem a no brainer that they go where they are wanted, much like gun manufactures have left for better places.
NRA does business in every state.

Headquarters is in Virginia.
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N.R.A. Donor Directs a Revolt Against a ‘Radioactive’ Leader https://nyti.ms/2XJo1kL

Apparently the Big $$$$ Donors have had enough and want Wayne and his people gone. They are going to present their demands to the NRA BoD. $100+million in pledged donations will swing some salami.
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N.R.A. Donor Directs a Revolt Against a ‘Radioactive’ Leader https://nyti.ms/2XJo1kL

Apparently the Big $$$$ Donors have had enough and want Wayne and his people gone. They are going to present their demands to the NRA BoD. $100+million in pledged donations will swing some salami.
I will not click on a Troll site.
Whatever they printed is exactly the opposite of what is true!
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Is it normal for your former director of General Operations and current chief of staff to have lost or settled 18 lawsuits for bad business dealings in the past decade?

Is $1.8m /month a reasonable fee for a lawyer?

Is it normal for that lawyer to have been sanctioned in separate incidents in two states (Virginia and Texas?

Is it normal for that lawyer to be closely related to 2 of the former lawyers/PR team -- the ones fired for overbilling/insider dealing?

Is it normal for that $1.8 million/month NRA lawyer to donate to antigun candidates Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Dick Durban, Ted Strickland, and Beto O’Rourke?


I'd like to give the NRA the benefit of the doubt, especially with 2020 breathing down our necks. But the more closely you look, the worse it seems to get!

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/***...#axzz5sa13fIVo
Link doesn't open but even if its true, its possible for 5th column people to infiltrate any group.

I mean look at all those people on cal guns pretending to be members and throwing around every charge, innuendo, fake stories that always conclude the NRA leadership (Wayne LP) bad man !

In fact you are the latest ANTIGUN troll to join calgunns!
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I will not click on a Troll site.
Whatever they printed is exactly the opposite of what is true!
Keep believing the smoke Wayne is blowing up your keister.
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Keep believing the smoke Wayne is blowing up your keister.
You seem to be hell bent on telling everyone how bad the NRA is. All of your posts are negative statements about the NRA.

As far as I am concerned with all the warts and problems, the NRA is the only national organization with ability and experience to turn out voters and influence politicians to protect the Second Amendment. With 2020 elections coming up and all the money on the left coming after our rights, the last thing gun owners need is a crippled NRA that can't stand up for our rights.

So after coming across as some anti-gun libtard, what other organization is out there that can organize voters and what exactly are you doing to help fight for the Second Amendment, other then trying to destroy the NRA.
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You seem to be hell bent on telling everyone how bad the NRA is. All of your posts are negative statements about the NRA.

As far as I am concerned with all the warts and problems, the NRA is the only national organization with ability and experience to turn out voters and influence politicians to protect the Second Amendment. With 2020 elections coming up and all the money on the left coming after our rights, the last thing gun owners need is a crippled NRA that can't stand up for our rights.

So after coming across as some anti-gun libtard, what other organization is out there that can organize voters and what exactly are you doing to help fight for the Second Amendment, other then trying to destroy the NRA.
The question is though, with his image tarnished, is Wayne the right person to remain as the face of the NRA? I mean there's definitely been some missteps by the NRA of late (Carry Guard anyone?) and Wayne himself (whether it was or wasn't okay for him to be spending that lavishly on the NRA's dime, it still looks bad from a fiduciary responsibility standpoint). Maybe it's time for a new face to step in and take the reins - at this point WLP might BE the baggage that cripples the NRA in an election year. Remember - lots of people get their news from disreputable sources already. Including those that would otherwise be inclined to support the NRA. At this point it doesn't much matter if he's the bad guy or not, the damage has been done. Even if his team is telling the truth and wins the fight for control, they need to consider that maybe it's time for someone else to assume the mantle.

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The question is though, with his image tarnished, is Wayne the right person to remain as the face of the NRA? I mean there's definitely been some missteps by the NRA of late (Carry Guard anyone?) and Wayne himself (whether it was or wasn't okay for him to be spending that lavishly on the NRA's dime, it still looks bad from a fiduciary responsibility standpoint). Maybe it's time for a new face to step in and take the reins - at this point WLP might BE the baggage that cripples the NRA in an election year. Remember - lots of people get their news from disreputable sources already. Including those that would otherwise be inclined to support the NRA. At this point it doesn't much matter if he's the bad guy or not, the damage has been done. Even if his team is telling the truth and wins the fight for control, they need to consider that maybe it's time for someone else to assume the mantle.
1st off Waynes image is NOT tarnished except for a few non NRA members. No one except a few cal gunners even know about this. I am certain these people who want to. see RKBA fail have done mass phone email calls. Rush investigated some boycott against a conservative company and discovered it was about 12 people doing all the yelling, claiming they represented millions.

This man was an RKBA hero and he still is.
I know of no-one who has the determination and knowledge to beat the anti gunners as effective as Wayne La Pierre !
As an example remember, when John Roberts on the SC was thought of as such a right wing PRO FREEDOM advocate? Turns out he is not that man.

This is an attempt to put in a figurehead who will not fight.

As for his clothes my goodness its hardly anything for a man who travels extensively on behalf of NRA members for decades.
I want him better dressed than any democrat snapper head, as he represents me.
Many people who wear elegant, expensive clothes notice how nice clothes further the image of respect.

Now I am not suggesting those cal gunners who typically dress in short pants, sneakers with their hat on backwards, do not have a point about how much Wayne's wardrobe cost.
In their mind cool behavior is to see how poorly one can dress. It fits in with the tough guy image the media has influenced them to emulate. Im just thinking they are not really NRA members, but forum trolls.

I just saying that any executive who deals with the public needs to live up to the image of success.

In conclusion Wayne LP is NOT tarnished but those out of NRA jobs are discredited.
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Is it normal for your former director of General Operations and current chief of staff to have lost or settled 18 lawsuits for bad business dealings in the past decade?

Is $1.8m /month a reasonable fee for a lawyer?

Is it normal for that lawyer to have been sanctioned in separate incidents in two states (Virginia and Texas?

Is it normal for that lawyer to be closely related to 2 of the former lawyers/PR team -- the ones fired for overbilling/insider dealing?

Is it normal for that $1.8 million/month NRA lawyer to donate to antigun candidates Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Dick Durban, Ted Strickland, and Beto O’Rourke?


I'd like to give the NRA the benefit of the doubt, especially with 2020 breathing down our necks. But the more closely you look, the worse it seems to get!

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/***...#axzz5sa13fIVo
An opinion piece written by 'Anon', well there's an unimpeachable source.

Let me tell you what my uncle heard from a guy at a poker game...


BTW, you're still banned 'Jefferson Prepared'.
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You seem to be hell bent on telling everyone how bad the NRA is. All of your posts are negative statements about the NRA.
That is his entire agenda.

Why else would someone log in from West Virginia after years of inactivity and post SOLELY about the evils of the NRA?
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yes, I've read the txt msgs (at least the snippets included in the lawsuit, which I believe to be highly selective and not complete), and Wayne's CYA letter. There is no doubt they tried to push Wayne out. I support pushing Wayne out, he's certainly never going to step down, why would he, he's got a cash cow he's been milking forever. As a life member, I've wanted Wayne out for a lot longer than those guys. I think he's a terrible public face for the NRA, if you haven't noticed, "angry white guy" has been a bad look for 15 years or more.. we've been losing the PR game. I love Dana, but she's only marginally helping. I haven't liked the ceremonial board, instead of a strong board providing real oversight, this has allowed Wayne, Marion and others to feather their bed; absolute power corrupts absolutely. The board is a joke.

Did the NRA borrow $15M from the ILA? Did they refuse to pay it back? Did they try to borrow more and were told no by Chris? Did that play a role in his suspension/resignation as well? There is a lot yet to come out here. It all stinks. I've given the organization a lot of money over the years, more than most on here, and I'm pissed off. I want reform, and a new, strong NRA to emerge. The various boogeyman arguments regarding Bloomberg, Soros, the NY AG, etc. don't scare me into supporting an org that I question the integrity of. until the NRA proves to me its running a tight ship, focused relentlessly on defending the 2A, not giving 1 inch, my support dollars will continue to flow to other organizations while this crap show sorts itself out in court.
You call Wayne La Pierre an "ANGRY WHITE GUY" !
OMG I should banned from this forum for just thinking about how I perceive you!
Instead I will calmly mention, you should stop believing democrat media. Im betting you got the TV 3 feet from your face as you gobble up everything on the Ellen show.

I have met Wayne and he is funny, gracious ,committed and intelligent!
A real NRA member would know lots about Wayne, if only through the American Rifleman or other magazine .

Dont tell me let me guess your in Nevada via California !
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The question is though, with his image tarnished, is Wayne the right person to remain as the face of the NRA? I mean there's definitely been some missteps by the NRA of late (Carry Guard anyone?) and Wayne himself (whether it was or wasn't okay for him to be spending that lavishly on the NRA's dime, it still looks bad from a fiduciary responsibility standpoint). Maybe it's time for a new face to step in and take the reins - at this point WLP might BE the baggage that cripples the NRA in an election year. Remember - lots of people get their news from disreputable sources already. Including those that would otherwise be inclined to support the NRA. At this point it doesn't much matter if he's the bad guy or not, the damage has been done. Even if his team is telling the truth and wins the fight for control, they need to consider that maybe it's time for someone else to assume the mantle.
I get where you're coming from and to an extent agree however there's a few things that bother me.

First off nearly all of the 'problems' have been hearsay and/or come out of the initial issue with Ack-McQ, a company who made it's name in public relations.

Second in any organization of this size there will be issues but it's almost impossible for them to be the work of one person.

Third, I really have an issue with allowing a small group of people, supported by an anti-2A activist like Bloomberg, dictate who is going to lead the organization fighting on our behalf.
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But Kestryll, it isn’t just Bloomberg types that see issues with the NRA and want to dictate its leadership. Members like me see issues with the organization and want what is best for the 2A fight. We want Wayne to address these charges head on. If he truly wants the same things his membership wants, then he should confront this stuff. Showing that the allegations are garbage will only strengthen his support from the membership. Seemingly not addressing this stuff makes people suspicious, and allows the anti’s to gain traction.

It’s bigger than Wayne. He is largely unimportant. He can be replaced. It’s about the health of the NRA and its future effectiveness.
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