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While I don't have enough primers to sell them, I've gotten notifications for 2 different types of primers in stock at midway in the last 2 days. Both were still available more than an hour after getting the email as well.
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As easy as it may seem, trying to keep your s**t together for 25 shots is not that easy!! one brain fart and you can lose 2 birds easy or 4,5,6 birds, It's not rocket science, BUT it is a humbling task!!
It's not that trap and skeet are easy, it's that they're boring as ****. And trap shooters tend to be cranky old bastards.

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Well your comment is pretty jacked up, Because I hear that the trap shooters are the bottom feeders and are the people you don't want to shoot with!!! Personally I will shoot any sport but love sporting clay's the most, Any gun with skeet chokes will be good for skeet!! Even my 28 gauge
My comment is actually what i witnessed first hand for decades.

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As to your instructor at $120 recommending 32 inch barrels i wont comment other than to say Barry Bluhm would chuckle
Did I miss the part of the thread where his paid instructor (or anyone) recommended 32” barrels for skeet?

Or did he show up to the lesson with 32” barrels, the instructor watched him shoot, and advised him that the rest of his fundamentals looked okay but he was too slow (implying he should reconsider using 32” barrels for skeet, despite him wanting to make it work or anyone else suggesting it can theoretically be done)?
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OK lets put all this to rest.

First: The instructor is $75/hour. For 1 hour. I got my monies worth despite what other might think.

The other $45 was for the field and targets. I was fine with this as well.

I know of no place including my club that I could shoot 130 rounds in 1 hour by myself with someone else pulling for me alone. It wouldn't happen so it wasn't an option.

I bought the Citori CXS with 32" bbls because I wanted it, not realizing that it would be that much slower than my Citori .410 with 32" bbls. I also wanted to be able to shoot Sporting Clays with the gun by just changing the choke tubes. I even built a Cart for it. I see plenty of guys shooting 725's with 32" bbls so it can't be that bad? I can learn how to shoot it.

Lynn: Thanks for the offer on the powder, but looking for Green Dot which is what I have used since I started loading 12 ga. Shot Shells 15+ years ago. I really don't like changing a machine set up as it takes way too long to get it to run right again.

I called Alliant yesterday trying to find out WTF was going on with the supply. Got the same excuses you'd expect but then I got some real info,,,

They only make powder to order for @18 major distributors. In other words they get and order, and they make powder for that order, and then move on. They only work on one order at a time? Even if he next order needs some of the same powder, they ignore it. One at a time period...

They don't Warehouse Anything! (and I was kind of taken aback by this?) He said that's how you go broke? This was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard!!! He said they didn't want $42 Million Dollars worth of powder laying around? Don't you know where the On/Off Switch is on your machines?

The the final thing was they are 2 years behind on orders. You've got to be ****tin' me? And You haven't figured out that you need to increase production?

I didn't ask about expanding their production lines as I knew that he'd say "what would we do when the demand goes away and we're stuck with all these Machines and powder?" Like demand is going away any time soon (Duh You are 2 years behind on orders?) and then they could just go back from 24/7 to 12/5 and give some people the day off!

[B]As it sits they will NEVER catch up to demand and never get back to normal operation! [B]

I have been in business for 40+ years. I was taught early on that if there was a problem anywhere in a company,,, It was a Management Problem!!!.

If you would have heard what I heard you'd agree this place has a Serious Management Problem.

I am not done complaining about this problem because this was some of the stupidest **** I've ever heard. I understand that Hodgdon's owns Alliant? Maybe a call to them would shake things up?

Luckily I have plenty of H110/W296 for my .410's! All made by Alliant for Hodgdon's and Winchester ! different labels on the same bottles.

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I bought the Citori CXS with 32" bbls because I wanted it, not realizing that it would be that much slower than my Citori .410 with 32" bbls. I also wanted to be able to shoot Sporting Clays with the gun by just changing the choke tubes. I even built a Cart for it. I see plenty of guys shooting 725's with 32" bbls so it can't be that bad? I can learn how to shoot it.
Nothing wrong with 32" barrels for Skeet, it can be done, many people do it.
This is important, it's not the weight of the gun, IT'S THE BALANCE OF THE GUN!
You can add weight to the butt to speed up the gun. Adding weight to the butt moves the moment of inertia closer to your body...speeding up the gun. Add 5 or 6 ounces and try it out, you'll see.

BTW, the barrels on a 725 are lighter than the barrels on your CXS.

PS: I don't have any Green Dot, I have Clay Dot, WST, 20/28 and Longshot. I could part with some primers if you really need them.
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OK lets put all this to rest.

First: The instructor is $75/hour. For 1 hour. I got my monies worth despite what other might think.

The other $45 was for the field and targets. I was fine with this as well.

I know of no place including my club that I could shoot 130 rounds in 1 hour by myself with someone else pulling for me alone. I wouldn't happen so it wasn't an option.

I bought the Citori CXS with 32" bbls because I wanted it, not realizing that it would be that much slower than my Citori .410 with 32" bbls. I also wanted to be able to shoot Sporting Clays with the gun by just changing the choke tubes. I even built a Cart for it. I see plenty of guys shooting 725's with 32" bbls so it can't be that bad? I can learn how to shoot it.

Lynn: Thanks for the offer on the powder, but looking for Green Dot which is what I have used since I started loading 12 ga. Shot Shells 15+ years ago. I really don't like changing a machine set up as it takes way too long to get it to run right again.

I called Alliant yesterday trying to find out WTF was going on with the supply. Got the same excuses you'd expect but then I got some real info,,,

They only make powder to order for @18 major distributors. In other words they get and order, and they make powder for that order, and then move on. They only work on one order at a time? Even if he next order needs some of the same powder, they ignore it. One at a time period...

They don't Warehouse Anything! (and I was kind of taken aback by this?) He said that's how you go broke? This was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard!!! He said they didn't want $42 Million Dollars worth of powder laying around? Don't you know where the On/Off Switch is on your machines?

The the final thing was they are 2 years behind on orders. You've got to be ****tin' me? And You haven't figured out that you need to increase production?

I didn't ask about expanding their production lines as I knew that he'd say "what would we do when the demand goes away and we're stuck with all these Machines and powder?" Like demand is going away any time soon (Duh You are 2 years behind on orders?) and then they could just go back from 24/7 to 12/5 and give some people the day off!

[B]As it sits they will NEVER catch up to demand and never get back to normal operation! [B]

I have been in business for 40+ years. I was taught early on that if there was a problem anywhere in a company,,, It was a Management Problem!!!.

If you would have heard what I heard you'd agree this place has a Serious Management Problem.

I am not done complaining about this problem because this was some of the stupidest **** I've ever heard. I understand that Hodgdon's owns Alliant? Maybe a call to them would shake things up?

Luckily I have plenty of H110/W296 for my .410's! All made by Alliant for Hodgdon's and Winchester ! different labels on the same bottles.

Randy
You really should rethink that 700X. Very versatile 12 gauge target powder.

The minor adjustments (if needed) are easy.

I several different 12 gauge recipes. Different powder, wads and shot charges.
The most I've ever spent dialing in is like 20 minutes. Only a few minutes to be "good enough".

A little time investment for 3000+ rounds sounds like a good trade to me.

FWIW, International is a ballistic and density near twin to Green Dot.
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I am not done complaining about this problem because this was some of the stupidest **** I've ever heard. I understand that Hodgdon's owns Alliant? Maybe a call to them would shake things up?

Luckily I have plenty of H110/W296 for my .410's! All made by Alliant for Hodgdon's and Winchester ! different labels on the same bottles.

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Hodgdon doesn't manufacture smokeless the powder that they distribute. Hodgdon sources the smokeless powders from Defense contractor manufacturers like General Dynamics, St. Marks Powder Mfg., ADI in Australia and others. Hodgdon then packages the procured the powders under their licensing brands.

H-110 / 296 comes from the General Dynamics, St. Marks Powder mfg. plant in Crawfordville, Florida.

The powder that Hodgdon does manufacture is Pyrodex black powder substitutes.

In 2019, Hodgdon made an agreement to distribute Alliant powders, which most of their Rifle powders are sourced from Sweden(Bofors) and Switzerland (Ruag). About a decade ago, Rhienmetall Nitrochemie agreed to start making powder here in the US.

So, Hodgdon is a packager and distributor of nearly all of the smokeless powders sold in the US market under a bunch of brand names.
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I have been using Hodgdon Titegroup in 12 gauge for years and right now i'm getting emails that it is in stock at a few places!! Suck it up and try it!!
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I have been using Hodgdon Titegroup in 12 gauge for years and right now i'm getting emails that it is in stock at a few places!! Suck it up and try it!!
Titewad here for 7/8 and 1oz loads.

Green Dot is typical for “handicap “ trap loads. No need to shoot 1-1/8 at 1200 + for skeet. Reduce the payload. Save some $ and recoil.
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All I shoot is 1oz loads in 12 gauge and titegroup shoots and burns clean! I'm shooting about 1245 fps
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I since they told me there wasn't going to be any GD for 2 years I figured out that I was going to have to change. I've got to start looking at alternatives.

Which one is good? Titegroup? Where is it in stock?

This whole component shortage thing has got to be some kind of Govt Conspiracy ! Damn it!

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There’s a dozen or more highly useful 12 gauge target powders. Lynn offered you access to one. I listed the equivalent to GD.
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I like hogdon clays; have yet to break open the promo or anything else for that matter but it’s kinda like a cheap red dot
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Skeet shooters have a well deserved reputation as being absolutely the worse people in any form of shooting.
They are the horse people of shooting.
Down to brass tacks.
Your not a young man with the quick reflexes of yesterday. Add in 32 inch barrels and your going to be behind everything.
You need a dedicated skeet gun and then you need to shoot it enough to get your body from fatiguing out before you quit shooting.
Whatsup40 hit 23-24 birds which is more typical in skeet because everyone knows where the bird is going.
Do you have a gun with 26-28 inch barrels and improved cylinder? If yes try that gun.
Lynn: I have an Ithaca m37 which moves really easily. It has a Cutts compensator on it and I have all the tubes.. I also have an A5 barrel with a Cutts on it, that will fit either one of my A5's and all my tubes for it too. I know you don't like Cutts Compensators but that's what I have and both barrels have been shooting for longer than I've been alive. The one on the M37 is from 1940,,, factory installed.

PM me with what you want for the 700X powder.

I just got 2000 Cheddite Primers from Brownell's for $75 each. So I'm good on primers for a while.

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It's not that trap and skeet are easy, it's that they're boring as ****. And trap shooters tend to be cranky old bastards.

I'm a cranky old bastard, so I know one when I see one

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Powder Valley had some, also check other online vendors
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Got an email from midway 1# 4# and 8 pounders, Midsouth had 4 pounders
Go to shooting bot.com and sign up it's free and they will let you know when stuff comes in stock!!
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All gone from Midway and Mid South . Signed up for Shooting Bot.com

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Just ordered 4lbs from Powder Valley.
They still had some...
It will be my first time using Titegroup...Well, when I run out of Clay Dot that is
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I have a 12 pound keg of 700X if you want it. Price is $100 but I am on vacation for a week then shooting 50 BMG in Coalinga for 3 days if you want to pick it up the 7th or 8th of June at the match?
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I have a lead on 8lbs of Alliant Pro Reach if anyone is interested. I loaded a bunch of 20 gauge 7/8 ounce shells for sporting clays and trap. They get the job done. I would not advise for 12 gauge.
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I have a lead on 8lbs of Alliant Pro Reach if anyone is interested. I loaded a bunch of 20 gauge 7/8 ounce shells for sporting clays and trap. They get the job done. I would not advise for 12 gauge.
Seems all the 20ga loads are 7/8oz and 1300fps or faster.
All the 12ga loads listed are 1-1/8 ~ 1-3/8oz starting at 1350fps...OUCH!!!
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All the 12ga loads listed are 1-1/8 ~ 1-3/8oz starting at 1350fps...OUCH!!!
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Seems all the 20ga loads are 7/8oz and 1300fps or faster.
All the 12ga loads listed are 1-1/8 ~ 1-3/8oz starting at 1350fps...OUCH!!!
Ya. Pro Reach is in the Longshot (heavy field) spectrum.
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Ya. Pro Reach is in the Longshot (heavy field) spectrum.
I don't do the hunting thing, so it's of no use to me.
Since all I do is target stuff, Clay Dot, WSF and Titegroup will have to work for me. But then, I only have about 20lbs, so what the future brings...who knows
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Seems all the 20ga loads are 7/8oz and 1300fps or faster.
All the 12ga loads listed are 1-1/8 ~ 1-3/8oz starting at 1350fps...OUCH!!!
That is why it is available.
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That is why it is available.
Sounds about right!!
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Just a couple of thoughts. Skeet can be shot with 32" barrels, Skeet can be shot with just about anything. If your scores are important to you, you will at some point look into maximizing your equipment and getting shorter barrels is a good place to look. Adding weight to the butt of the gun doesnt make the gun lighter, it makes it heavier. It does move the balance point further back which might make you think the barrels are lighter but they aren't. The illusion will wear off soon enough and you will just have a heavier gun. By the way maintaining focus for 25 shots is easy, maintaining it for 100 shots is where it starts to get hard.

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Just a couple of thoughts. Skeet can be shot with 32" barrels, Skeet can be shot with just about anything. If your scores are important to you, you will at some point look into maximizing your equipment and getting shorter barrels is a good place to look. Adding weight to the butt of the gun doesnt make the gun lighter, it makes it heavier. It does move the balance point further back which might make you think the barrels are lighter but they aren't. The illusion will wear off soon enough and you will just have a heavier gun. By the way maintaining focus for 25 shots is easy, maintaining it for 100 shots is where it starts to get hard.
I have not shot a hundred straight yet! I have had 75 straight to shoot a 97, But that was a while ago, It's hard to do.
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I have not shot a hundred straight yet! I have had 75 straight to shoot a 97, But that was a while ago, It's hard to do.
I have never shot that high, but a few years ago I shot a 93 out of 100 with one straight with my BSS SxS. And I beat out Lola by 2 clays as well. That was a good day.
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I have never shot that high, but a few years ago I shot a 93 out of 100 with one straight with my BSS SxS. And I beat out Lola by 2 clays as well. That was a good day.
http://sanseiskeet.com/201808.aspx
I would be proud of it forever!! lol

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Back from my vacation! Here is a photo of the powder. I plan on getting to the coalinga match early and staying until noon on Saturday and Sunday.
The match is on the north west side of town next to the old solar power station. I will be driving a grey jeep or white nissan. My wife has blonde hair and weighs 105 pounds in case I am shooting or pulling targets. I will give you a call.
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Back from my vacation! Here is a photo of the powder. I plan on getting to the coalinga match early and staying until noon on Saturday and Sunday.
The match is on the north west side of town next to the old solar power station. I will be driving a grey jeep or white nissan. My wife has blonde hair and weighs 105 pounds in case I am shooting or pulling targets. I will give you a call.
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That is a nice jug of powder!!! Just like gold these day's
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