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View Poll Results: What are your feelings about Front Sight?
Great Training for Beginners Only. 88 8.33%
Great Training Beginner and Advanced. 696 65.85%
The Quality of Training is Going Down Hill. 24 2.27%
I paid too much for my Membership! 47 4.45%
They will go out of business this year! 31 2.93%
Don't want anything to do with them! 171 16.18%
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I liked your other post where you quoted me twice better :P
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I asked Brandon for a formal CGF response to base our email response to FS and other members. Too much vitriol and wasted energy in that thread and wish they would just come out with factual talking points...sigh.
Actually there's plenty of facts in there related to the land deals that are well-documented.

Add the new full of fail LTC initiative they're behind and FS has proven itself to be as harmful to RKBA as Gorski.

Piazza is as much a defender of RKBA as Warren Buffet is a free marketer.
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Me and my brother were in the 4DDH class in those videos. The class stared on dec 19th 2011. We were on range A and also rifle range 10. It was so much fun and a great learning experience. All the instructors were great people and extremely helpful. Me and my brother both got graduate in the course. I'm not sure how many points I got, but on paper I only got 9 points deducted (lost focus for three shots). I am interested in learning about getting a membership if possible. Any info will help. Thanks
Some of that video was shot Veterans Day weekend, as I remember that helo flying around, and they got a few shots of my wife's car parked on the end of our range.
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Comments: In process to upgrade to a Diamond + Alaska membership. I was impressed with the facility and training provided. I am, however, disappointed on how long my initial membership took to be processed. It took 2 months for me to get info on the memberships I bought. I emailed to assign 2 memberships and that took 2-3 months to complete. I understand things can get busy, but when you run a business I would expect better service and response time. I hope my upgrade doesn't take more than 6 weeks. I'm also still waiting on my 'free' gun. I submitted my paperwork in late August. I've had to ask several times for status and each time, I'm told it will take another 8 weeks. That does not instill a lot of confidence on the how things are managed on the back end.
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Comments: In process to upgrade to a Diamond + Alaska membership. I was impressed with the facility and training provided. I am, however, disappointed on how long my initial membership took to be processed. It took 2 months for me to get info on the memberships I bought. I emailed to assign 2 memberships and that took 2-3 months to complete. I understand things can get busy, but when you run a business I would expect better service and response time. I hope my upgrade doesn't take more than 6 weeks. I'm also still waiting on my 'free' gun. I submitted my paperwork in late August. I've had to ask several times for status and each time, I'm told it will take another 8 weeks. That does not instill a lot of confidence on the how things are managed on the back end.
I hear ya on the processing time.

As far as the bonus guns go, there are several factors I believe they're not being forthright about. People are starting to receive their guns but they seem to be trickling out. Based on the numbers from the last two big membership drives that had bonus guns, I'm betting that the amount of guns they have to move numbers somewhere in the low six-digits. Methinks that Naish doesn't have enough liquid capital to move that many guns all at once and that is why they're taking so long. I submitted my paperwork this summer and still haven't received mine. However, several on the FS forums have received theirs after submitting paperwork in early 2011 (Jan/Feb). The "6-8 weeks" they're telling us is just to keep us from jamming up their email and phone asking where the guns are.

The short version: be patient, they'll get there eventually (though not likely in 6-8wks).
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6-8 months? 12 months!
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Me too. It'll be nice to know another Calgunner will be there.
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Just finished the third day of the four day defensive handgun. - Looking forward tomorrow!!

I came here with high expectations and the facility and class has exceeded them.

The facility, instructors and program are GREAT!
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Comments: Been taking training with groups closer to my residence. I'll get out to Front Sight one of these days.
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Next Course: I really don't know if I'll ever visit Front Sight physically. You see, the TSA stories I'm hearing are really freaking me out. I live in Puerto Rico. They recently detained senator Rand Paul. None of this is constitutional yet, they do it anyway. I do not wish to go through their cancer causing machines nor be groped. If the TSA is ever removed from the airports, I'll definitely pay Front Sight a visit! Go Ron Paul!!!
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Next Course: I really don't know if I'll ever visit Front Sight physically. You see, the TSA stories I'm hearing are really freaking me out. I live in Puerto Rico. They recently detained senator Rand Paul. None of this is constitutional yet, they do it anyway. I do not wish to go through their cancer causing machines nor be groped. If the TSA is ever removed from the airports, I'll definitely pay Front Sight a visit! Go Ron Paul!!!
Comments: I believe in the Front Sight vision and the second amendment right to bear arms. I, also, believe in making a small profit and putting it into silver(real money). So, I've invested in dozens of 4-day handgun certificates and Diamond + Alaska memberships. So far, I've made a pretty good return on my money while, at the same time, supporting the Front Sight vision. If anyone is interested in a 4-day certificate or Diamond + Alaska membership, I can be reached at:[/email]
God bless America and please god, preserve the CONSTITUTION!
Without it, we've got nothing. Well, we've got TYRANNY(not cool).
Ok, all you seem to be doing is trying to sell memberships. This isn't even the right forum to try to sell anything.

If you plan to otherwise participate in discussions WITHOUT trying to hock something in every post, let us know.

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I am interested in a diamond Alaska membership, anyone have a great deal to offer? pm me!
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Just got back from the 4ddhg and had fun. Weather was not the greatest, 80mph measured wind gusts one day, and cold and rainy another, but overall was a good experience. I'll be back. My shooting was good enough for DG but was too slow on a couple malfunction clears.
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Just finished the 3rd day of their Def Handgun course. Looking fwd to tomorrow.
NOT relishing the drive home (have a 24 hr shift starting 0800 on Friday in SF).

I'm going through their recommended amounts of ammo as I've been shooting with both groups whenever someone else decides to take a break.

Drink LOTS of water, guys. Even with the cool weather, it's easy to get dehydrated.
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Is there a way to still get diamond membership? PM if nessesary.
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The course was really fun, regardless of my #%£€ -21 points. That was a really neat way to spend a quick vacation.


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Well I am confirmed for the 4 Day Defensive Handgun for the first weekend in February. Going to go with my two sons who will probably show their old man up. Hope FS don't go out of business by then!

Actually I am more worried that the weather will turn cold and nasty. Anyone been there this time of year? What should I prep for? While there, I will stay away from the "kool aid" CCW petition drive and hope to deter others as well.
It rained on Monday so, you should be good to go cause it cleared up and got nicer and nicer tues weds thurs. Prolly high 60's with Sun and a cool breeze. Just bring t-s, long sleeve t-s and a hoodie since it's the desert and temps drop as the sun goes down.
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I did a class years ago with my Dad/ It was so fun/ But expensive
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I think the Poll result is pretty interesting!

I read it as roughly 70% satisfied with Front Sight to 30% dissatisfied. What say you?
I'd say that the "Don't want anything to do with them!" option includes a lot of people who've never been there. That's not equivalent to "dissatisfied," which implies having had an actual experience to be satisfied or dissatisfied with.
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Great News! Thanks to the the tireless work of CGF and our own Gene Hoffmang, the CCW Proposition has been withdrawn!

http://www.frontsight.com/CACCW/

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=520799

Great job as well to all of the FS members who emailed and called FS about this matter.

Let's make sure of our continued support for CGF! DONATE HERE Nice to know that we are allied in our fight for our 2A right!
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Well I am confirmed for the 4 Day Defensive Handgun for the first weekend in February. Going to go with my two sons who will probably show their old man up. Hope FS don't go out of business by then!

Actually I am more worried that the weather will turn cold and nasty. Anyone been there this time of year? What should I prep for? While there, I will stay away from the "kool aid" CCW petition drive and hope to deter others as well.
Dress as you would if you were taking classes in Tahoe on a clear day. It was 27 there a few days ago with 30 MPH winds

It gets cold and bring your own chair so you dont have to sit on there metal one...you will be sitting some..a fair amount outside
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Comments: first class was great but very cold (Dec) and I should have made a better pick on my hand gun before I bought it
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Dress as you would if you were taking classes in Tahoe on a clear day. It was 27 there a few days ago with 30 MPH winds

It gets cold and bring your own chair so you dont have to sit on there metal one...you will be sitting some..a fair amount outside
Wow just got back from Front Sight. What a great experience. Facilities, instructors and course was first rate! Appreciate all the tips from everyone here. 17 year old son and I both shot Graduate on the 4 Day Defensive Handgun. That was one tough skills test and we really honed our skills and learned a lot from the course.

Front Sight is NOT going out of business folks!
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Not a member, but a frequent student and not too shabby a shooter if I do say so myself. Had a wonderful time each time I have gone. Would go back in a heart beat (I'm the guy buying up your return student certs). The training level has remained pretty steady, especially considering the drastic increase in students. The facilities have kept up with the increased pace, and all the instructors that I have had have been wonderful. I have noticed less doting on me, but that has more to do with my not needing it as much as I used to while my fellow students needed it more. II still get plenty of attention from the instructors and I still get a massive leap in ability after each 4 day course. Can't complain.

All that said, I had expected to see the houses go up by now. I don't get why it is not a full fledged resort community by now like it was originally envisioned. But the school itself is wonderful.

Why am I not a member given the recent affordable membership package offers? As often as I train there I also train at other schools. I want to float from school to school. Had I planned on building a home there (when they were still talking about that) I would have become a member. But for training only, it makes more sense for me to buy a cert as needed, especially since I need the advanced courses at this point - and those dirt cheap memberships only included the courses I had already mastered. Taking them a couple more times wouldn't hurt, and would certainly help, but at some point I would tire of them and want the more advanced stuff, without the more advanced price.

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I'm headed there this weekend with some family and coworkers and am pretty excited about it. I always look forward to gaining new skills and working the fundamentals... ah who am i kidding... i just want to shoot some paper... like a champion...
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Wow just got back from Front Sight. What a great experience. Facilities, instructors and course was first rate! Appreciate all the tips from everyone here. 17 year old son and I both shot Graduate on the 4 Day Defensive Handgun. That was one tough skills test and we really honed our skills and learned a lot from the course.

Front Sight is NOT going out of business folks!
Some additional observations:

1) One of my classmates sold 7 Diamond memberships to other classmates for $500 each. That seems to be the going rate there although I heard prices up to $795.

2) My younger son did the 4 Day Youth Safety where he got to fire a full auto Uzi, Glock 19, .22 rifle, Shotgun and Archery. Best part was I did not have to pay for any ammo! He said that all the staff was great and coming from him, that was a big compliment. They take youths from 5 to 15yrs but only 12 and up can shoot.

3) I spoke to the Instructors at length and they all were very positive and treated well by Front Sight. There was no low pay, low morale type mentality shown. Very professional.

4) The computerized registration (myfrontsight.com) works great. Online registration was straightforward, first day check-in was fast, the report is real time and it had my class results the following day. This will help with the large classes this coming spring time.

5) The Pro Shop was doing booming business. People were buying gear, hats, sweatshirts, jackets, etc. Lots of rentals and gunsmithing (sights/gun mods) upgrades as well. The new ammo supply, Stock Pile Defense was very competitively priced. I was tempted to buy ammo to bring home.

6) The food at the on site vendor Beach Cafe was good. You can order on-line or that morning. We ordered their box lunches the first day, then tried the hotel (Best Western) box lunch and went back to their box lunch as it was much better. Great mochas and smoothies as well.

Already making plans to go back next month or so for the Practical Rifle course.
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I just bought a diamond membership this week so hopefully my paper work moves along quickly. what months offer the best weather?
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I just bought a diamond membership this week so hopefully my paper work moves along quickly. what months offer the best weather?
My wife likes: April and November. I also like $ July night shoots.
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