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View Poll Results: Which deer rifle caliber: 6.5CM, .308Win, or .270Win?
6.5CM 34 22.08%
.308 Win 48 31.17%
.270 Win 61 39.61%
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They were created for different purposes. Both are good calibers and will get the job done.
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Take the $$ and buy a single stage reloading kit. You have two very versatile rifles that only reloading can reveal all the potential. Plus, you solve your lead-free and BS ammo background check nonsense at the same time.


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they are all so close to one another it is like asking what is better coke pepsi or dr pepper

Every single one is a very good deer cartridge.

The only significant difference is the .270 requires a long action.

It will be longer and heavier than the other two.

Even then, were talking 1/2 length and 3-4 oz heavier. Not much!
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You can't go wrong with any of the 3 you mentioned...
Since you are going to be shooting solid copper, I say go 270.
You need to push the copper faster and the MV of the 270 is right where you need to be.
I use a 270 for certain deer hunts, but I usually use one of my 300WM for big game.
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Get the .270 it shoots flatter and reaches way out there.

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Subby, you considered .243? Common as dirt, huge bullet selection, will kill deer sized game at any ethical distance. Makes a dandy long range plinker as well.
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If you reload, the 6.5x55 Swede is the best possible choice in California. It will do anything you can ask.

If you don't reload, the .30-06 is the best possible choice in North America. It will do anything you can ask.

Due to the lead free stuff, the best suggestion is to find out what load you want to shoot and then work backwards to a caliber.
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Subby, you considered .243? Common as dirt, huge bullet selection, will kill deer sized game at any ethical distance. Makes a dandy long range plinker as well.
No interest at all in .243. The smallest bullet I want to go is 6.5 which is .264 in caliber. I already got a bunch of 5.56 and .308 semiautos for plinking.
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Where do I buy tags to go Elf hunting!?!?!
Also wouldn't a 22 be sufficient for them little guys?
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No interest at all in .243. The smallest bullet I want to go is 6.5 which is .264 in caliber. I already got a bunch of 5.56 and .308 semiautos for plinking.
Don't get me wrong, I love .264. I have .260 Rem, x55, .264 Win Mag, Grendel, .671 Phantom, 6.5x284,6.5x300 WBY and I just got a PRC. Now, count how many of those are boutique,hard to find or have been replaced by almost identical chamberings.
6.5 Creedmore is exactly where x284 was 10 years ago and in 10 more it will be just as gone.

.243,.270,.308 and '06 are going nowhere and you can find ammo in every podunk store and hunting camp anywhere.
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.243,.270,.308 and '06 are going nowhere and you can find ammo in every podunk store and hunting camp anywhere.
Thats why I am drawn to the .270 but 6.5CM will probably be just as prevalent in 10 years. I'd just rather have a .270 or 6.5CM than a .243. I dont see how .243 gives me any advantage over those two. Again, I have absolutely zero interest in .243. If I ever hunt out of CA where ammo availability could be an issue, it will probably be for elk so I'd take my 7mmRM or .30-06. I dont consider .243 an ethical elk cartridge.

Leave 6.5CM out of it for a second, if I had to "choose" between .243 and .270, its a nobrainer for me, .270 all day anyday. Its just a much more versatile cartridge and very common. I gain nothing going with .243 over a .270 except having a short action which is not a consideration in a hunting rifle for me. There are plenty of lightweight hunting rifles with long actions.
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If you ever get the chance to hunt elk out of state[out of Ca.], the .270 Win with a 160gr Nosler Partition will anchor an elk. That proof is on my wall.
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If you ever get the chance to hunt elk out of state[out of Ca.], the .270 Win with a 160gr Nosler Partition will anchor an elk. That proof is on my wall.
Another pro for the .270 but I already have a 7mmRM which is kind of like a .270 on steroids.
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Yep, sort of. I only mentioned the .270 as it is on your list.
Of course. I'm mostly interested in .270 to supplement the 7mmRM because the ammo is way easier to find. It also costs less but Im not "allowed" to consider that apparently.
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Thats why I am drawn to the .270 but 6.5CM will probably be just as prevalent in 10 years.

I mean, they have been saying this about every 6.5 introduced in the US since the 50's probably. I think 6.5 CM has a better chance than most of them though, but I also thought that .260 was an absolute sure thing, so there's that. Doesn't really matter in the long run, most folks never put even 100 rounds through a dedicated hunting rifle so cost per round isn't really a consideration. I do three sighters at the range and one,sometimes two, in the field,per season. Box of 20 is good for 4 years at that rate.
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Eh, just follow the trends, the 6.5 is an excellent caliber in CA, and I can only assume the Creedmoor iteration will perform well. Just as long as you can either reload or you know where to find decent lead-free ammo.
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If you ever get the chance to hunt elk out of state[out of Ca.], the .270 Win with a 160gr Nosler Partition will anchor an elk. That proof is on my wall.
So will the 30.06, .308 and a .54 caliber muzzle loader.
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No. Im slowly building up my collection of .308 and .30-06 brass. I have some dies, powder and primers as well. But for now I just buy ammo online with my 03FFL+COE. Eventually, I'll acquire some presses and equipment and start reloading. But Its just not economical for me at this time.
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If I was hunting black bears or big feral pigs I’d lean on the 308. For deer and elk I’d go 270 Winnie.
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Tikka t3x in 6.5cm stoked with 143gr eldx’s over 42-43gr h4350 would be my choice. Great lightweight gun that is a tack driver and won’t break the bank. Less recoil than the other two options as well.

Fogot about the wonderful lead ammo ban. Swap out the elsx for a Gmx or lrx.

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No, it will be for hunting only, the models Im considering are all hunting guns with 22" "sporter" barrels. I initially thought that .270 would be more versatile than 6.5CM given it has a little more range and pushes a slightly heavier bullet, 130gr vs 120gr. But from everyones input, seems like the difference isnt really that big enough to really matter and 6.5CM might just be an "updated" or "improved" .270, no disrepect to the .270.
.270 will bring more energy at longer range pass 500 yards compared to the 6.5CM.

It all depends how far your game is.

I am building a .260 REM AI that will allow me to shoot std .260 or AI rounds and as Cali is making it difficult to buy ammo aft 7/1 reloading makes sense at this point.
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Why, .270 Winchester, of course.


And if you are payin' more than ~ $26/box for premium ammo?

...you aren't stockin' up at the after Season sales at MidwayUSA.






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6.5CM and done.

-.308 is going to be so close to your 30-06 its not worth the cost of a new rifle.
-.270 is also not that much better ballistically than 30-06. Yes its flatter, but its still not as good as the 6.5CM.
-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
-6.5CM is prefect for deer sized game out to 500 yards, if you wanted to shoot that far.

Now the one thing I would do, is make sure your buying a hunting rifle and not a heavy tactical rifle. Because the majority of 6.5CM's you find will be just that.


Hell yeah! An elf rifle! They are fast and tough little bastards which necessitates the 7RUM!
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Thats why I am drawn to the .270 but 6.5CM will probably be just as prevalent in 10 years. I'd just rather have a .270 or 6.5CM than a .243. I dont see how .243 gives me any advantage over those two. Again, I have absolutely zero interest in .243. If I ever hunt out of CA where ammo availability could be an issue, it will probably be for elk so I'd take my 7mmRM or .30-06. I dont consider .243 an ethical elk cartridge.

Leave 6.5CM out of it for a second, if I had to "choose" between .243 and .270, its a nobrainer for me, .270 all day anyday. Its just a much more versatile cartridge and very common. I gain nothing going with .243 over a .270 except having a short action which is not a consideration in a hunting rifle for me. There are plenty of lightweight hunting rifles with long actions.
What on your list gives you advantage over your 30-06 or 7mm RM?

If you're just wanting something different 280 Remington, it about same as 270 Winchester, but use same bullets as your 7mm RM.
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What on your list gives you advantage over your 30-06 or 7mm RM?

If you're just wanting something different 280 Remington, it about same as 270 Winchester, but use same bullets as your 7mm RM.
I guess that would be good if I reloaded, but if I reloaded I'd just stick with 7mmRM. I dont see how .280 makes any sense over .270 or 7mmRM. Especially since the guns Im looking at are not chambered in .280. They are all available in .270 or 6.5CM. I dont see how I can go wrong with .270. Isnt it one of the most effective and versatile all around big game hunting cartridges in North America? But 6.5CM seems to be taking over, so thats why I cant decide. Maybe I'll get a hunting gun in .270 and a target gun in 6.5.
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Lead free bullets for hunting has been mentioned. Make sure the barrel twist of the rifle you’re buying will stabilize the bullet weight you intend to shoot. Lead free bullets tend to be longer than leaded bullets of the same design and weight.
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Here's the numbers, with Hornady's Superformance and the GMX bullet.

6.5 Creedmoore 120

270 Winchester 130

7 Remington Mag 139

Look at the ballistic charts on the bottom of each page. The .270 has almost identical drops to your currently owned 7mm. The 6.5CM does loose a little bit of gas at 500 yards, but 300 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards really isn't that big of deal. For a SA round its very competitive with the big boy LA rounds. The one thing I would do if I were you OP, is plug these numbers and bullets into a ballistic calculator and see which one offers the best wind resistance. That is by far going to be one of your biggest factors of making or missing a shot.

I don't see why in your case you'd spend the money on a .270 when you have a 7RM at home that puts out damn near the same numbers now. For deer, antelope, coyotes, pigs, and even elfs , the Creedmoor will do everything you want and need.

As far as the ammo cost, yes the 6.5 should be cheaper. You can also run cheaper ammo in the rifle during the off season, and then go back to your expensive hunting ammo when needed.

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I dont see how I can go wrong with .270. Isnt it one of the most effective and versatile all around big game hunting cartridges in North America?
Because it's more of the same compared to your .30-06 and 7-Mag.

The 6.5 has the advantage of less recoil and lighter rifles. Shoot 100 grain Barnes (or even the 120s) through a 22 inch sporter weight barrel with a 2-7x scope and you'll have a gun that still recoils less than .30-06 or 7-Mag with a loaded rifle and scope combo weighing less than either two AND being faster/easier to cycle should you need to.

I don't understand why you're even still looking at the .270.
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Because it's more of the same compared to your .30-06 and 7-Mag.

The 6.5 has the advantage of less recoil and lighter rifles. Shoot 100 grain Barnes (or even the 120s) through a 22 inch sporter weight barrel with a 2-7x scope and you'll have a gun that still recoils less than .30-06 or 7-Mag with a loaded rifle and scope combo weighing less than either two AND being faster/easier to cycle should you need to.

I don't understand why you're even still looking at the .270.
Good point. 6.5 it is, unless I find a really good deal on a .270.
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I guess that would be good if I reloaded, but if I reloaded I'd just stick with 7mmRM. I dont see how .280 makes any sense over .270 or 7mmRM. Especially since the guns Im looking at are not chambered in .280. They are all available in .270 or 6.5CM. I dont see how I can go wrong with .270. Isnt it one of the most effective and versatile all around big game hunting cartridges in North America? But 6.5CM seems to be taking over, so thats why I cant decide. Maybe I'll get a hunting gun in .270 and a target gun in 6.5.
I guess if you don't reload it doesn't matter. The only thing that the 280 makes sense over the 270 is bullet selection and over 7mm RM is gas mileage. I think the most versatile all round big game hunting cartridge in North America would probably be something like your 30-06 or maybe a 338 Win Mag.
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6.5CM and done.

-.308 is going to be so close to your 30-06 its not worth the cost of a new rifle.
-.270 is also not that much better ballistically than 30-06. Yes its flatter, but its still not as good as the 6.5CM.
-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
-6.5CM is prefect for deer sized game out to 500 yards, if you wanted to shoot that far.

Now the one thing I would do, is make sure your buying a hunting rifle and not a heavy tactical rifle. Because the majority of 6.5CM's you find will be just that.

How big an elf we talking here?


Anyways OP. I vote .270 because, well just because I like it.
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A .270 is fine for deer (or even elk) with comparable ballistics/trajectory for common bullet weights similar to your 7mm Mag. (A 130 gr .270 will shoot pretty close to a 150 gr 7mm.) The 6.5 is fine, but the flatter trajectory only comes into play at very extended ranges. For out to 300 yard, there is no practical benefit to the 6.5. If you are planning to shoot at 500 yards plus, then the 6.5 will be slightly better - the benefits increase as the range gets further.

You can find .270 ammo anywhere and everyone makes ammo.
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A .270 is fine for deer (or even elk) with comparable ballistics/trajectory for common bullet weights similar to your 7mm Mag. (A 130 gr .270 will shoot pretty close to a 150 gr 7mm.) The 6.5 is fine, but the flatter trajectory only comes into play at very extended ranges. For out to 300 yard, there is no practical benefit to the 6.5. If you are planning to shoot at 500 yards plus, then the 6.5 will be slightly better - the benefits increase as the range gets further.

You can find .270 ammo anywhere and everyone makes ammo.
This is what I was talking about back @ #39. Since we are now required to utilize non lead in CA, I included a link to the Barnes Data for a comparison.
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.270 win for your hunting use. Lots of ammo available, lead free or normal. Proven track record.
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I love my tikka t3 lite in .270. After season sales for cheap ammo. I have tons of lead ammo I scored off a private sale for dirt cheap. Cheaper than components. Usually a hunting rifle isn’t a plinker, but it is a nice option. It’s good just to run it, practice different positions, or show new shooters a high powered rifle.
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I love my tikka t3 lite in .270. After season sales for cheap ammo. I have tons of lead ammo I scored off a private sale for dirt cheap. Cheaper than components. Usually a hunting rifle isnt a plinker, but it is a nice option. Its good just to run it, practice different positions, or show new shooters a high powered rifle.
The first bolt gun I bought was a Tikka in .30-06. I stupidly sold it many years ago when I needed some cash. I really regret that.
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