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View Poll Results: Which deer rifle caliber: 6.5CM, .308Win, or .270Win?
6.5CM 34 22.08%
.308 Win 48 31.17%
.270 Win 61 39.61%
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I'm thinking about picking up a new hunting rifle in a caliber I dont already have. The choices are 6.5CM, .308win or .270win. I'm leaning towards .270win because I like how it shoots faster and flatter than a .30-06 or .308, it seems to be very easy to find, and the price is very reasonable.

I already have hunting guns in .30-06 and 7mm Rem mag but want to add something that has better ballistics than .30-06 and is easier and cheaper to find than 7mm.

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6.5CM and done.

-.308 is going to be so close to your 30-06 its not worth the cost of a new rifle.
-.270 is also not that much better ballistically than 30-06. Yes its flatter, but its still not as good as the 6.5CM.
-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
-6.5CM is prefect for deer sized game out to 500 yards, if you wanted to shoot that far.

Now the one thing I would do, is make sure your buying a hunting rifle and not a heavy tactical rifle. Because the majority of 6.5CM's you find will be just that.
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Something to think about if you live in California is the lead free ammo requirement is now statewide.
If your a reloader see what bullets are available and also if they will stabilize in the gun your looking at.
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Something to think about if you live in California is the lead free ammo requirement is now statewide.
If your a reloader see what bullets are available and also if they will stabilize in the gun your looking at.
This. Finding lead free used to mean searching the web and having it shipped to your door. Now it's gotten more complicated and $$$$$.

Of those? They all work.
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Close range, for deer, I'd choose the original 6.5cm, 7-08.
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For most California shots, 6.5 or 308 would work fine, and keep you in a short action.

As already mentioned, what has good availability in lead free?

That said, the long action with a 270 is not a big deal(the length, not the cartridge)l.

I think a 6.5 or 308 in a Remington Pump-action would be cool...

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Something to think about if you live in California is the lead free ammo requirement is now statewide.
If your a reloader see what bullets are available and also if they will stabilize in the gun your looking at.
Im not too worried about finding leadfree ammo. I can still buy direct from Brownells (C&R+COE) and they carry Hornady Outfitter brand in all the calibers I'm interested in.

6.5CM 120gr GMX $33/bx
.270win 130gr GMX $34/bx
7mmRM 150gr GMX $40.5/bx
.308win 165gr GMX $33/bx
.30-06 180gr GMX $34/bx

Looks like the 6.5CM is probably better for me than the .270 since I already got a .30-06.
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they are all so close to one another it is like asking what is better coke pepsi or dr pepper
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LynnJr - How would you calculate the twist rate needed for: 6.5CM 120gr GMX (or do you need more info)?
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The choices are 6.5CM, .308win or .270win.

What are your thoughts?
Go play with all of the rifles you can find in 6.5CM, .308Win, and .270Win.

Choose the rifle you like best, whatever it may be chambered for.

Already know what rifle you want? 6.5 should recoil less and should be built on a short action.
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LynnJr - How would you calculate the twist rate needed for: 6.5CM 120gr GMX (or do you need more info)?
I was reading that most 6.5 barrels are in 1:8 twist.
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6.5CM and done.

-.308 is going to be so close to your 30-06 its not worth the cost of a new rifle.
-.270 is also not that much better ballistically than 30-06. Yes its flatter, but its still not as good as the 6.5CM.
-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
-6.5CM is prefect for deer sized game out to 500 yards, if you wanted to shoot that far.

Now the one thing I would do, is make sure your buying a hunting rifle and not a heavy tactical rifle. Because the majority of 6.5CM's you find will be just that.
Ya them elves can be hard to put down.
Please explain just how the cm is better than the .270.

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I would pick the 6.5 Creedmoor simply because it would also be good for longer range shots on antelope and sheep.
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Id go with a 270 or 7-08 with a Barnes TTSX.
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I just got done with a 6.8 spc on an AR15 platform

1-4 30mm scope

16" barrel for quick handling

butt then I reload my own so ammo's not a problem.

and I "tune" my ammo for accuracy
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-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
Where do I buy tags to go Elf hunting!?!?!
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All will do just fine for hunting most anything you will hunt, none are all that much better than the other. Get what you want and go hunting, enjoy the outdoors.
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Since you already have the 30.06 and the 7mm Rem Mag then I say go small. The 6.5 Creed is getting readily available and will work as far out as you want to shoot.

I have a bunch of deer guns between 24 and 30 caliber and really the only difference is recoil. They'll all kill deer as far out as I want to shoot them and now I just keep going to smaller and lighter guns.
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how far away can you safely (humanely) hunt?

6.5CM is the new thing, but most people probably don't hunt from ranges where it has a bigger advantage, or do they?
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Ya them elves can be hard to put down.

Damn auto correct lol.

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I'm thinking about picking up a new hunting rifle in a caliber I dont already have. The choices are 6.5CM, .308win or .270win. I'm leaning towards .270win because I like how it shoots faster and flatter than a .30-06 or .308, it seems to be very easy to find, and the price is very reasonable.

I already have hunting guns in .30-06 and 7mm Rem mag but want to add something that has better ballistics than .30-06 and is easier and cheaper to find than 7mm.

What are your thoughts?
any one of of your possible choices are good. each has it's pro and con.

It sounds like you are already leaning towards the 270 and if that is the itch you want to scratch, scratch it. no one has given a compelling reason to avoid the 270. subjective yes, compelling no.
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6.5CM and done.

-.308 is going to be so close to your 30-06 its not worth the cost of a new rifle.
-.270 is also not that much better ballistically than 30-06. Yes its flatter, but its still not as good as the 6.5CM.
-You already have a 7RUM, then you have a rifle for elf, bear, and larger animals.
-6.5CM is prefect for deer sized game out to 500 yards, if you wanted to shoot that far.

Now the one thing I would do, is make sure your buying a hunting rifle and not a heavy tactical rifle. Because the majority of 6.5CM's you find will be just that.
.270 here, ammo MUCH easier to find than 6.5, especially if you're hunting in the boonies.


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Im not too worried about finding leadfree ammo. I can still buy direct from Brownells (C&R+COE) and they carry Hornady Outfitter brand in all the calibers I'm interested in.

6.5CM 120gr GMX $33/bx
.270win 130gr GMX $34/bx
7mmRM 150gr GMX $40.5/bx
.308win 165gr GMX $33/bx
.30-06 180gr GMX $34/bx

Looks like the 6.5CM is probably better for me than the .270 since I already got a .30-06.
This is the only gun website I frequent that picks guns by way of ammo cost.

I doubt you'd be shooting hundreds or thousands of hunting rounds, other than perhaps on varmints.


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butt then I reload my own so ammo's not a problem.

and I "tune" my ammo for accuracy
I think about the last thing I'd consider for hunting deer or larger animals is an AR of any kind.

Maybe if somebody came out with a horse scabbard for the AR, but bolt guns designed for hunting are lighter and generally more accurate. Not to mention OP posted the thread in the NON-AR forum here.
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.270 here, ammo MUCH easier to find than 6.5, especially if you're hunting in the boonies.



This is the only gun website I frequent that picks guns by way of ammo cost.

I doubt you'd be shooting hundreds or thousands of hunting rounds, other than perhaps on varmints.



I think about the last thing I'd consider for hunting deer or larger animals is an AR of any kind.

Maybe if somebody came out with a horse scabbard for the AR, but bolt guns designed for hunting are lighter and generally more accurate.
I could NOT possibly agree more.
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This is the only gun website I frequent that picks guns by way of ammo cost.

I doubt you'd be shooting hundreds or thousands of hunting rounds, other than perhaps on varmints.
Sorry for the confusion about ammo prices. I merely posted that information in response to a question about finding leadfree ammo.
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GMX tested, no mention of twist so the usual rifling should do:

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Sorry for the confusion about ammo prices. I merely posted that information in response to a question about finding leadfree ammo.
No apologies needed. Choosing ammo first v. gun first is here a lot.

ETA a .270 is not bad for elk, at least at the range I'm used to. If you're looking for more history on the caliber and what it can do, simply google ".270 jack o'conner".

Gather a food and drink supply and tcb before you start. Beyond tons of info from Mr. O'Connor
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If you have the 06 and 7mm. For me There is too much over lap with the 270. I get my 270win with 140gr. at 3050/3100fps. that’s 7 mag territory. No sense in two different calibers achieving the same thing.
The 06 you can shoot the heavies if you want. 168,180, 200, 220.
The 6.5 would be my choice.
It’s actually what I might be getting for my “kids”
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For deer killing purposes, the differences you seek will be practically immeasurable. With a 30-06, and a 150gr bullet, zero 3” high at 100. Out to about 350-375, put the crosshairs square in the middle and squeeze. Won’t be really much different with any other cartridge.

I hunted with my ‘06 for years and just got tired of carrying around a heavier rifle. So I got a ruger American predator in 308. Lighter and an 18” barrel makes for a more handier rifle without sacrificing anything really noticeable in ballistics.

The real problem we face is ammo. In America however, there’s no such difficulty. And you’re not going to find more options than ‘06. Rather than caliber, consider the rifle you want to buy.


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No apologies needed. Choosing ammo first v. gun first is here a lot.

ETA a .270 is not bad for elk, at least at the range I'm used to. If you're looking for more history on the caliber and what it can do, simply google ".270 jack o'conner".

Gather a food and drink supply and tcb before you start. Beyond tons of info from Mr. O'Connor
See the thing is, I already have a particular model gun in mind, now I just need to decide on which chambering since its available in the 3 cartridges we are discussing. Hence the purpose of his thread. So you are wrong about me choosing the ammo first. Im actually choosing it AFTER I've identified the models Im interested in. Already one step ahead of you. But I appreciate the condescension. Wouldnt be calguns otherwise. Thanks. BTW Ive already researched O Conner and the .270. Another reason why it is one of the 3 calibers Im considering. Starting to make sense now? Or did you think you were living in a vacuum?
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In California lead free ammunition is a requirement not a recommendation so if you don't reload many guns can no longer be used legally.
I have a very nice Winchester 25/35 that will most likely never go hunting again do to no ammunition availability.
Luckily for the original poster he can find ammo for all of his choices

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I would measure a bullet and run it across a free internet twist calculator. Most if the solids seem to require about 2 inches more twist than the same weight jacketed bullets require.
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For most deer guns with 10 - 12 twist barrels you don't worry about lead free twist unless you shoot the heavy for caliber bullets.

Push a 130 grain Barnes TSX out of the 270 Win. really fast and it's as flat shooting as you could want out past 400 yards. It's longer than most 140 grain and some 150 grain, cup and core bullets and will penetrate similarly.
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Hanko
In California lead free ammunition is a requirement not a recommendation so if you don't reload many guns can no longer be used legally.
I have a very nice Winchester 25/35 that will most likely never go hunting again do to no ammunition availability.
Luckily for the original poster he can find ammo for all of his choices

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I would measure a bullet and run it across a free internet twist calculator. Most if the solids seem to require about 2 inches more twist than the same weight jacketed bullets require.
You can still use that 25-35 but you will use it as a single shot using the lead free. I have a new Winchester in the same caliber and that's what I would do if I wanted to hunt in Calif with it. I used to load for my grandfathers 25-35 and used spitzer bullets when I couldn't get round or flat nose to load, pointed single shot works. I've been shooting the copper bullets since the old X bullet, ya......a long time. I cant tell any real twist problems that I see people talk about here, I just don't see them. All of my guns shoot the Barns line very well and none of them have any special twist. The GMX have always been the pitts for me and my guns, the best I can get out of my .25 guns is 1-1 1/2 inches, not acceptable to me. Hey maybe I'm lucky or maybe not I don't know. No I'm not arguing with you just to be contrary it's just my experience. At least Barns eliminated all the worst of the copper fouling problems when they put the groves in the new bullets. Know anyone that wants a bunch of the old Barns X bullets? LOL
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Will said rifle do double duty hunting/long range target shooting? If so, I would probably choose the 6.5CM. You already have rifles that will cover larger game & the elusive elf.

I have hunted with an 06’ for a number of years. About 8 years ago, I bought a new rifle that I had wanted for awhile. I chose .270 and have not looked back. I’m loading 110gr Barnes TTSX. If hunting larger game, I can either shoot the 06’, or load the 130gr Barnes TTSX, and be good.

For typical hunting with lead free, the 270 will out perform the 6.5CM. For comparison, look at the Barnes Data.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-cont...ard-2017-1.pdf

However, for medium size game the 6.5CM will get the job done. It will perform better than the 270 for long range target shooting, and will do all this with a little less felt recoil.
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Will said rifle do double duty hunting/long range target shooting? If so, I would probably choose the 6.5CM. You already have rifles that will cover larger game & the elusive elf.

I have hunted with an 06’ for a number of years. About 8 years ago, I bought a new rifle that I had wanted for awhile. I chose .270 and have not looked back. I’m loading 110gr Barnes TTSX. If hunting larger game, I can either shoot the 06’, or load the 130gr Barnes TTSX, and be good.

For typical hunting with lead free, the 270 will out perform the 6.5CM. For comparison, look at the Barnes Data.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-cont...ard-2017-1.pdf

However, for medium size game the 6.5CM will get the job done. It will perform better than the 270 for long range target shooting, and will do all this with a little less felt recoil.
No, it will be for hunting only, the models Im considering are all hunting guns with 22" "sporter" barrels. I initially thought that .270 would be more versatile than 6.5CM given it has a little more range and pushes a slightly heavier bullet, 130gr vs 120gr. But from everyones input, seems like the difference isnt really that big enough to really matter and 6.5CM might just be an "updated" or "improved" .270, no disrepect to the .270.
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