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There's a story on yahoo about a massive Ebola outbreak in west Africa crossing into several states already WHO criticized for weak response...maybe time to do a quick stock check.
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Ebola is spreading across borders in West Africa.
Has reached at least one large city.
It can spread via air travel.
Any ideas on how to prep for an Ebola outbreak?
Here's some info from the LA Times on the current outbreak:
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-ebol...htmlstory.html
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http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/prevention/index.html

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The prevention of Ebola HF presents many challenges. Because it is still unknown how exactly people are infected with Ebola HF, there are few established primary prevention measures.
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At least look up what the hell you read in an article before spreading FUD.

Please change your title to reflect that Ebola (EHF) Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever has nothing to do with "flesh eating".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease
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It can spread via air travel.
Any ideas on how to prep for an Ebola outbreak?
There are three different known strains of the Ebola Virus:

Ebola Sudan, Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston.

One of the known strains can be transmitted via air, Ebola Reston, however, this particular strain has not (that we know of) jumped species from monkeys to humans.

Assuming we are dealing with one of the other known strains, basic prevention is the same as you would expect with any other virus that spreads through fluid contact.

If you are a reader, check out The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. Lots of info on prior Ebola and similar outbreaks. Fair warning, it will scare the sh*t out of you though.
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There are three different known strains of the Ebola Virus:

Ebola Sudan, Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston.

One of the known strains can be transmitted via air, Ebola Reston, however, this particular strain has not (that we know of) jumped species from monkeys to humans.

Assuming we are dealing with one of the other known strains, basic prevention is the same as you would expect with any other virus that spreads through fluid contact.

If you are a reader, check out The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. Lots of info on prior Ebola and similar outbreaks. Fair warning, it will scare the sh*t out of you though.
I'm going to Reston VA in two weeks. The guys there that I work with had no idea.

BTW - The Hot Zone is fiction. Try reading "Secrets of the CDC". I will take pictures of the building where it happened 25 years ago.

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I'm going to Reston VA in two weeks. The guys there that I work with had no idea.

BTW - The Hot Zone is fiction. Try reading "Secrets of the CDC". I will take pictures of the building where it happened 25 years ago.

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The hot zone is classified as nonfiction.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/038547...8324915&sr=1-1

Preston's account of an outbreak of a strain of the Ebola virus among monkeys in a Virginia laboratory has spent more than 30 weeks on PW's bestseller list

discusses four of these viruses, Marburg, Ebola Sudan, Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston
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The hot zone is classified as nonfiction.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/038547...8324915&sr=1-1

Preston's account of an outbreak of a strain of the Ebola virus among monkeys in a Virginia laboratory has spent more than 30 weeks on PW's bestseller list

discusses four of these viruses, Marburg, Ebola Sudan, Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston
Yeah, just like TMZ is non-fiction. Preston is a wanna-be.

Read this by the folks who lived it, and the folks the Hot Zone was written about. They call his work 'mostly fiction'. BTW - this is a small run print and I found at a Barnes and Noble many years after the Hot Zone book had cooled off.

These folks are the real deal, they were in Africa before Ebola was even known in the rest of the world. Or even had been named.


http://www.amazon.com/Level-4-Virus-.../dp/0760712085

It is a great book. They risked their lives many times...

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Except every time one of these diseases breaks out loads of people fly in and take samples back home with them. My guess is some are used to find a cure, while others are used for more nonferrous reasons like weaponization ,terror and population control.

The puppet masters are looking to "thin" out the worlds population and what better weapon then a 90% mortality virus that takes 3 weeks to show signs, has no cure and is airborne.






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There are three different known strains of the Ebola Virus:

Ebola Sudan, Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston.

One of the known strains can be transmitted via air, Ebola Reston, however, this particular strain has not (that we know of) jumped species from monkeys to humans.

Assuming we are dealing with one of the other known strains, basic prevention is the same as you would expect with any other virus that spreads through fluid contact.

If you are a reader, check out The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. Lots of info on prior Ebola and similar outbreaks. Fair warning, it will scare the sh*t out of you though.
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Except every time one of these diseases breaks out loads of people fly in and take samples back home with them. My guess is some are used to find a cure, while others are used for more nonferrous reasons like weaponization ,terror and population control.

The puppet masters are looking to "thin" out the worlds population and what better weapon then a 90% mortality virus that takes 3 weeks to show signs, has no cure and is airborne.
So is it those "executioner" cops who are doing the "non ferrous" (which actually are metals such as aluminum). You mean nefarious deeds???

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If you are a reader, check out The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. Lots of info on prior Ebola and similar outbreaks. Fair warning, it will scare the sh*t out of you though.
There is now a kid's pre-school at the Reston site. Ironic, huh? I was told they just bulldozed the whole site and buried it. It's within 23 miles of Washington DC, so there was a LOT of concern. My former company headquarters was 200 yards away at max.. The clowns that worked there never heard of Reston Ebola.

"The Hot Zone" is quite a bit sensationalized and some facts distorted, but it's not horrid.

Best book on Ebola in general is "Level4 Virus Hunters of the CDC"
"https://www.amazon.com/Level-Hunters-Tracking-Deadliest-Viruses/dp/1454916656". Was written by 2 PhD's who married after meeting running down Hemmoragic Fever in Africa. Level4 is written very confusingly, Hot Zone you can read in a day...

They also were involved in Reston, VA.
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Ebola is spreading across borders in West Africa.
Has reached at least one large city.
It can spread via air travel.
Any ideas on how to prep for an Ebola outbreak?
Here's some info from the LA Times on the current outbreak:
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-ebol...htmlstory.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ngs-worse.html

Sierra Leone today declared a public health emergency to tackle the worst-ever outbreak of Ebola and will call in security forces to quarantine areas of the deadly virus

http://rt.com/news/176628-eu-ebola-high-alert/

A German hospital has agreed to treat Ebola patients amid widespread fears of a possible outbreak of the deadly disease in Europe. Over 670 people have already been killed by the disease in West Africa with doctors struggling to control the epidemic
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As more people get infected, more chance that someone will get on a plane and take it someplace else. Early stages look a lot like the flu. A lot of people could get infected before is is caught, and then it could overwhelm the medical system. It has been 100 year since the last pandemic.
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As more people get infected, more chance that someone will get on a plane and take it someplace else. Early stages look a lot like the flu. A lot of people could get infected before is is caught, and then it could overwhelm the medical system. It has been 100 year since the last pandemic.
I don't think it would overwhelm the medical system.

no current cure for this. The only thing that they currently offer is IV and isolation.
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I don't think it would overwhelm the medical system.

no current cure for this. The only thing that they currently offer is IV and isolation.
Well since it is a virus, no cure is likely to be found. There is however treatment. IVs... as you said. Every person that gets a tickle in the throat will head to the ER sure that they have the virus, and wanting the best our medical system can provide. The sad part is that if the virus is out there, they only increase the chances of actually getting infected.
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I don't think it would overwhelm the medical system.
Everyday the medical system is at near breaking point. Current wait times in our ER on any given day are over 5-10 hours. We regularly hold admitted patients in the ER due to a lack of bed space elsewhere in the hospital. Coupled with daily short staffing, it won't take much for our medical system to collapse under its own weight. Then take in to consideration the massive amounts of health care workers and ancillary staff who won't show up to work knowing there is a deadly virus lurking at their workplace that they have a high risk of getting then bringing home to their families. Our healthcare system is a paper tiger that WILL collapse if this becomes widespread. Don't count on it being there when you need it.
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Everyday the medical system is at near breaking point. Current wait times in our ER on any given day are over 5-10 hours. We regularly hold admitted patients in the ER due to a lack of bed space elsewhere in the hospital. Coupled with daily short staffing, it won't take much for our medical system to collapse under its own weight. Then take in to consideration the massive amounts of health care workers and ancillary staff who won't show up to work knowing there is a deadly virus lurking at their workplace that they have a high risk of getting then bringing home to their families. Our healthcare system is a paper tiger that WILL collapse if this becomes widespread. Don't count on it being there when you need it.
I fear you are correct on every aspect of this.

You are speaking as if you are in the medical field, is that correct?
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I have a feeling these missionary doctors are a little more "compassionate" than the regular US doctor. Sometimes that human interaction and belief in faith can lead to higher risk of transmission. I have seen many examples of this in the medical field. Think Mother Theresa caring for the lepers.

Here's a medical joke for you. What's the difference between god and a doctor?

God doesn't think he's a doctor.

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Yeah, it might not be airborne but when a person sneezes or coughs fluid fly's through the air so I think thats why those doctors got sick. Thats why it might be dangerous.
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Yeah, it might not be airborne but when a person sneezes or coughs fluid fly's through the air so I think thats why those doctors got sick. Thats why it might be dangerous.
That's my concern as well.

We know how it's transmitted, although there have been some observations that it can become airborne but not yet confirmed:
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Doctors take some crazy precautions and are still getting sick.

Here's what Doctors do to prevent exposure but it still didn't keep them safe:
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At their camp they go through multiple decontaminations which includes spraying chlorine on their shoes.
If doctors are getting sick with that kind of prevention and decontamination, it doesn't really bode well for the rest of us.


And when you think of the spider web that would happen from just one flight... it's absolutely terrifying. Even that one doctor that died when trying to fly back here to the US... officials are trying to contact 30k people who may have been exposed to him. Imagine how many people those 30k have now been exposed to a few days later.

At this point we're watching from afar. But it really will just take one outbreak and then it's game over in the US. Just think of what the .gov will do.

Federal law already exists that will allow for them to 'apprehend and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease'. And those individuals can be 'detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary'.

I'm on the fence about this law and it's implications. While I think quarantining people exposed to such a deadly and communicable disease is prudent, I don't really know what their definition of 'reasonably believed' means or how long is 'reasonably necessary'. I need to give this some more thought. I would hope that the .gov wouldn't abuse or misuse this power but history says otherwise plus I'm not in the least bit confident they would have any clue how to do it properly.



Anyhow, I'm following it pretty closely and it's absolutely horrifying.


Edited to highlight the doctor's procedures as I think that's the most important thing in my post to point out that they are still getting sick even with those procedures.
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Its 120 degrees out and your in a suit thats 200 degrees... staff has been known to reduce there protection so its cooler.

Just because procedures are written down does not mean they are followed 24/7
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Its 120 degrees out and your in a suit thats 200 degrees... staff has been known to reduce there protection so its cooler.

Just because procedures are written down does not mean they are followed 24/7
I understand and I'm sure that happens. But one doctor deciding to take off their gear risks the rest of the doctors and their camp. So I'm pretty sure that the other doctors would not be ok with that when they are all suited up.

Maybe they would, I don't know.
Just saying, I have a feeling when dealing with a deadly diseases, they wear the gear.

Edited to include 'not' in my second sentence as I apparently fail at typing today
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I understand and I'm sure that happens. But one doctor deciding to take off their gear risks the rest of the doctors and their camp. So I'm pretty sure that the other doctors would not be ok with that when they are all suited up.

Maybe they would, I don't know.
Just saying, I have a feeling when dealing with a deadly diseases, they wear the gear.

Edited to include 'not' in my second sentence as I apparently fail at typing today
http://www.msdsonline.com/resources/...ola-virus.aspx

Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets (2, 6, 28). In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated (1, 6, 13). The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus (6

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, secretions, organs, or semen contain the virus. Ebola virus has been isolated from semen 61 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery (1, 2).

New July 3st. Wonder what they are not telling us about airborne.

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Executive Order -- Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases

) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza."

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I saw that new Executive Order. Pretty scary stuff.

Most people I've talked to have the 'it's not happening here' mentality.

Now we're transporting a known infected to Atlanta... this could get very serious very quickly:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breakin...patient/ngrtm/
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I saw a few images of the staff wearing protective gear.

in one of the images, I saw @ least one staff member which had no protection above his/hr goggles - until the top of hood. Basically forehead exposed.
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This is from 2012 BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423

"In experiments, they demonstrated that the virus was transmitted from pigs to monkeys without any direct contact between them.

The researchers say they believe that limited airborne transmission might be contributing to the spread of the disease in some parts of Africa."

"One of the scientists involved is Dr Gary Kobinger from the National Microbiology Laboratory at the Public Health Agency of Canada. He told BBC News this was the most likely route of the infection.

"What we suspect is happening is large droplets - they can stay in the air, but not long, they don't go far," he ( Dr Gary Kobinger) explained."

So, it is technically NOT air born, but it is close. Air born required that it have no liquid substance to survive. The the termainal stage of this virus is (by my understanding) messy. Body fluids going all over the place.
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Try to get them to read The Jakarta Pandemic. Maybe start with getting them to play Pandemic Board Game

The truth is, people do not want reality destroying their fantasy. To some degree, people are incapable of the truth that at any moment they could die. We must all believe to some degree that we can't die. Not everyone can have a prepper mindset because there is a mental balance required that not everyone is capable of. They simply do not want to live their lives in fear, the truth that a pandemic could happen one day, a nuclear war the next is too much for them. Preppers strike an interesting balance, in that they are afraid these things might happen but do not cower or turn from it hoping to ignore it. Instead we face our fears and prepare to fight against it for the right to live.
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The problem,,,, is anything on the mainstream media the truth?
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The problem,,,, is anything on the mainstream media the truth?
That is definitely a problem. The government doesn't want to scare so they keep things from us to not cause a panic. They could trigger a rush on the supermarkets for example, or people maxing out their credit cards thinking this is it, TEOTWAWKI. The media does not always outright lie though, they just want ratings. You want to try and get as much information from multiple media sources and refine it with a grain of salt to get the truth.

found another doc on yahoo about this
http://news.yahoo.com/plane-en-route...171609039.html

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Same here
most folks in my family excluding my immediate family as well as close friends think its can't happen here
I've been telling them to have at least 3 months worth of supplies because if it does become a pandemic staying indoors is the best thing to do

jpkar, you bring up a very good point. Let's say it does start spreading here. I know most of us would prolly bug in and not leave. Let's say that does happen.

I wonder what kind of time frame we would be looking at for having to stay holed up. 3 months doesn't seem like near enough.


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That is definitely a problem. The government doesn't want to scare so they keep things from us to not cause a panic. They could trigger a rush on the supermarkets for example, or people maxing out their credit cards thinking this is it, TEOTWAWKI. The media does not always outright lie though, they just want ratings. You want to try and get as much information from multiple media sources and refine it with a grain of salt to get the truth.
I agree, I imagine that government press releases will most likely be played down to not create mass panic/chaos (which if Ebola doesn't break out here, the panic that would happen could have a devastating toll).

Same with the larger media outlets since the majority of Americans still get their news from the MSM.
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If something this serious is enough to be put on media. It is well far more advanced than what is publicized. This can mutate many different ways. And like someone said, they do not want to cauze a panic and have a run on supplies and social disorder. Especially here in California where we are already is a bad spot considering the water.
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A virus can mutate and with a larger number of hosts churning out larger numbers of viruses, the probability of a nasty mutation increases. It would not surprise me in the least to see a new mutant with both the longer 21 day incubation period and the ability to transmit via mosquitoes or airborne sputum. Selection pressures would favor such a mutant with reduced virulence and increased infectiousness. The virus and its characteristics are IMO, a moving target. That being said, I'll start to worry when we see six and seven figure death tolls out of Lagos or Monrovia.
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jpkar, you bring up a very good point. Let's say it does start spreading here. I know most of us would prolly bug in and not leave. Let's say that does happen.

I wonder what kind of time frame we would be looking at for having to stay holed up. 3 months doesn't seem like near enough.




I agree, I imagine that government press releases will most likely be played down to not create mass panic/chaos (which if Ebola doesn't break out here, the panic that would happen could have a devastating toll).

Same with the larger media outlets since the majority of Americans still get their news from the MSM.

I'm thinking at least 3 months because in that time, its possible that those who were infected would have died off but just a guesstimate


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1200 cases and 600 deaths. That might as well be zero. Pneumonia kills something like 50,000 a year just in the US. If it cracks 50,000 deaths then maybe you should start to worry that you shouldn't hug sweaty sick looking people getting off airplanes.

The US evacs people all the time. Its one of the great things they do with our tax dollars.

The big difference between Ebola (a virus) vs pneumonia (most commonly bacterial) is that there is treatment for the latter (usually 7-10 days of antibiotics) and not the former. In addition, most of the people that succumbed to pneumonia are those who are immunocompromised in some way (diabetics for example) or those with other comorbidities (COPD, heart disease, other lung disease). Also pneumonia does not even come close to Ebola in terms of mortality. It's like comparing being shot with a ruger 10/22 vs a 30-06 M1 Garand. Lastly typical pneumonia is not contagious.

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I'm thinking at least 3 months because in that time, its possible that those who were infected would have died off but just a guesstimate
I honestly have no real knowledge of disease spread.

I know the current outbreak started in February of this year and is still spreading. Of course, the areas it's in are 3rd world and there's not as much population density nor is there as much mobility as we have in 1st world countries.

I would be interested if any fellow Calgunners have more knowledge on this topic from a purely academic standpoint.
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I'm thinking at least 3 months because in that time, its possible that those who were infected would have died off but just a guesstimate





The big difference between Ebola (a virus) vs pneumonia (most commonly bacterial) is that there is treatment for the latter (usually 7-10 days of antibiotics) and not the former. In addition, most of the people that succumbed to pneumonia are those who are immunocompromised in some way (diabetics for example) or those with other comorbidities (COPD, heart disease, other lung disease). Also pneumonia does not even come close to Ebola in terms of mortality. It's like comparing being shot with a ruger 10/22 vs a 30-06 M1 Garand. Lastly typical pneumonia is not contagious.
Kinda missed the point. A full treatable disease killed 50,000 in the US last year. Good health care, good procedures, well trained doctors (more or less).

Africa and ebola killed say 1000, in a crappy system, without drugs, without proper facilities, without proper sanitation. Without good hospitals etc. Overall low risk of contraction considering a lot of people are getting it from handling the bodies. That death rate includes the old people and weak people already. I'm not saying Ebola isn't dangerous, but it certainly hasn't been shown to infect enough people to kill at a rate of even something common like pneumonia. Could it, certainly. But so could the flu.

It hasn't even spread to the european countries bordering Africa.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/america...ry?id=24818577

An American doctor who contracted Ebola while treating patients in West Africa will arrive at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia, today.

Samaritan's Purse confirmed that Dr. Kent Brantly was on board a plane currently flying back to the U.S. Brantly and Nancy Writebol will both be treated at a specialized unit at Emory University in Atlanta.

Both Brantly and Writebol are listed in "serious but stable condition," according to Samaritan's Purse, the aid group Brantly for which worked.

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I'm not an expert on infectious diseases but I'm not buying the statements from the experts that this strain in particular is not airborne. The fact that so many aid workers and doctors have contracted it while wearing protective suits etc doesn't add up in my book... just my opinion.
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