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What would they charge you for exactly?
The fact that you have a 12050 License exempts you from the Federal GFSZ act. It also exempts you from the California GFSZ act. PC 626.9 says: Quote:
However, this will get taken care of as a second order concern to people getting permits in the first place. Go get one. -Gene
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I don't have a very good CCW weapon right now but would like to at least get the ball rolling. If I apply with my current weapon (CZ75BD) and qualify, when I get a smaller more concealable weapon, can I just qualify with that and get it added on? Would it be a hassle or is it easy? Thanks
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-Gene
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Then have them apply by filling out the app and send it into them Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested.
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My understanding is that it has to be turned in in person.
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I think I would want a waiver from my lawyer offering free representation before I attempted defying sheriff restrictions. Doesnt the PC also state the sheriff can put any restriction they see fit? A sample of a ridiculous restriction would be "CCW only valid if wearing an I love McGinness sticker on my back. Now, invalid if not wearing the sticker? Id like to hear more arguments on this.
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Thebronze, have them put that in writing. Also, I often utilize signed and dated "documents as attached or under separate cover" letters of transmittal for hand-delivered documents (many of which become evidence in litigation/arbitration); takes about 30 seconds to draft and print.
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I'm amused at the fear of the CCW issuers in this thread. You have a valid 12050 license and post McDonald the issuer has to justify his restriction on your right to bear arms. Remember that criminal charges are beyond a reasonable doubt... Anyone in Sac should apply and not spend a lot of time worrying about what the sheriff puts on an otherwise granted 12050 license. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Let me sum this up for everyone. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the idea of the restrictions invalidate the license on the spot, everyone in Sacramento County should apply for a CCW if they're not otherwise ineligible. By applying, you are helping the Sykes case, and you are helping increase the CCW population of the state in general. Can I make this any more clearer?
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I have filled out all my paperwork and have my statement all written up. I have called the number provided and as someone else pointed out the voicemail box is ALWAYS full and no one ever picks up. On the CCW process form on the Sacramento Sherriff website, it says you must call the number to make an appointment. Is this their genius way of not having to issue permits? Someone said send it certified mail, but it clearly states on the website you must call to make an appointment. I'm not sure my information would be looked at if I send it certified mail. Do you suggest I do so anyways?
http://www.sacsheriff.com/forms/docu...app_letter.pdf
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Government can't simply ignore written correspondence sent certified/ret. receipt. Your letter should document that you, in good faith, contacted them in their preferred manner (telephone) to no avail, that their voicemail box has consistently been full over the course of x days and unable to take additional messages; give them your return phone number, include the app if need be and send the letter.
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People like me get paid to crawl all over those files and what we discover is sometimes quite enlightening. You would not have Case Law like Salute v Pitchess and Guillory v Gates without all those nice documents and real interesting comments on some. Billy Jack 'The Force is strong with this one' www.californiaconcealedcarry.com |
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haveyourmile- she will answer the phone eventually. Sometimes right away, sometimes it will take all day, but on the occasions i've called i've always gotten through.
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Aright I guess I'll keep trying. Thanks
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Just noticed this on the San Diego Sheriff's CCW webpage. Does that mean they are considering apps for self-defense, or are they speaking more in terms of like "I have been threatened by a stalker" kinda personal protection?
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Been trying to get through all day again today. Still nothing. Voicemail is still full. I've been trying for days and days. This is getting REALLY frustrating. Everything is all filled out I just need a damn appointment!
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Should I include something with the packet that says I'm mailing it in because I couldn't get through on the phone? I REALLY don't want to be turned away because I "didn't follow directions" Edit: Nevermind. Saw your piece about including a letter about attempting to contact via telephone to no avail. Thanks for the assistance, I'll keep you posted.
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OK everyone, stop beating your head against a wall. Send a letter certified mail with return receipt requested to the following address:
Amber M. Wong, Sr. SRS Special Investigations/Intelligence Bureau 711 G Street, Room 306 Sacramento, CA 95814 Send this in the body of a formal letter: "Ms. Wong, I have made repeated attempts to contact you but your voice mail is constantly full and I am never able to reach you. Per Salute v. Pitchess, the sheriff's office is required to process my application upon receipt of it by your office. If you have any questions, please feel free to send me a letter, or email me at example@example.com (your email address). With regards, Your Name". |
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Is it possible to just walk into the office and request to make an appointment in person?
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It took me 2 weeks of calling to get on the phone with her. Once I got the appointment to submit an app it was 3 1/2 weeks out. It will reportedly be another 3-4 weeks after application submission to get the phone interview done. Dunno how long is takes to get approval/denial, but I'm personally not expecting that to be done in less than another 3-4 weeks from the phone interview, though they have 90 days from submission of app or 30 days after DOJ background results, whatever is later to get back to you. Anecdotal research I have done indicates that from application submission to permit in hand is about 6 months if all goes well. EDIT: Or do what the experts above who responded while I was writing this advise. They know far better than me. Last edited by jb7706; 06-21-2010 at 3:19 PM.. Reason: update info per prior posts. |
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Aright. Everything was sent priority mail with a delivery confirmation slip. It easy easy as pie and cost was less than $6 to get it sent out. I put the check in along with my statement and a letter where I used Grays wording about her not picking up. Hopefully I'll hear soon. I sent it from downtown so I would imagine she'd receive it tomorrow.
Thanks for all the help. JB - Good luck to you!
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FYI - at the end of McGuniess Monday on 1530 yesterday, the sheriff all but said apply for CCW. He sees in the future they will be issued more and more often. I know he is a Lame Duck and actions speak louder than words, but I was quite taken aback by this change in his stance. Prior, he would talk the talk be then weasel out...very interesting....
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All,
If you're going to send in your packet certified mail return receipt requested, please private message me, or just private message me if you're interested in applying. I need to send you an email address to schedule an appointment. Do not be concerned that you "wasted your money", you did not. You're starting a countdown clock anyway. |
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FYI I called the number today.1st time trying. I got the voicemail is full part of the recording and I did nothing I pressed nothing. It said if you dont have a touch tone phone please stay on the line and someone will be with you shortly.
2 seconds later Amber Wong answered the phone. My call was placed at 3:30 today. So maybe that is the ticket, just dial the number and wait for it to assume your handsfree and it routes you to the operator. Being my firsts try I was flabbergasted it turned out to be the person we all want. She took my request I added the date and time to my calendar and I hung up. Just dumb luck or are you guys loosing it?
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Just good luck Ty. Congrats on making thru the first try. I can document no less than 11 times over 2 weeks before I got her on the phone. Finally had to trade email with her to get an appointment. I did the whole wait for an operator thing too, it just goes back to her VM. About how far out is your appointment?
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"Anyone in Sac should apply and not spend a lot of time worrying about what the sheriff puts on an otherwise granted 12050 license.
-Gene" So I should apply for one even if I am going to use the good cause statement of "for the protection of my life and my family" and I know it will be denied? |
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