Tea Leaf Reading on St. Benitez Timing????

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

I see your point and agree that marijuana usage contributes, but I believe without education institution indoctrination, mass media propaganda, and online community hysteria, weed alone would not have created our present circumstances.

A convergence of a variety of negative factors...

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by rplaw

...I believe that weed also plays a huge part in what's happening because studies have shown that weed increases paranoia and schizophrenia. ...

If sounds to me like you have little to no idea about the relationship between marijuana use and paranoia. Similarly, it seems you don't understand the crucial difference between paranoia and schizophrenia. To be honest the entire post sounds like tinfoil hat speculation.

I suppose the boredom and anxiety here on the actual topic can/does lead us pretty far off topic.

[tenemae]

Originally Posted by rplaw

I believe that weed also plays a huge part in what's happening because studies have shown that weed increases paranoia and schizophrenia. <-- yes that's the same diagnostic description where you'd look to find delusional disorders. Weird how things work like that.

Carl Sagan: Famous for his paranoid schizophrenia

[Sgt Raven]

Just because you're paranoid does not mean, no one is out to get you.

[Bhobbs]

Can we at least keep this threads remotely related to the 4 Benitez cases?

[Go Navy]

Originally Posted by rplaw

This is too far OT but if you look in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual), which is the go-to for mental illness, under Schizophrenia you will find delusional disorders. Read the definition (which you can also find via a goofball search) and then consider how LBGT, trans, and "woke" fit in there.

At that point you will begin to realize how far gone our society actually is. And then you start to wonder how this could have been done en mass. Unlike most I believe that it's not just indoctrination of the young, it's more than that. I believe that weed also plays a huge part in what's happening because studies have shown that weed increases paranoia and schizophrenia. <-- yes that's the same diagnostic description where you'd look to find delusional disorders. Weird how things work like that.

What we need is a public awareness campaign which shows the actual facts. The problem is that the entire system is rigged to support the problem instead of the solution. "Everyone does it" and then those people use their bully pulpits to support legalization and spreading the cheer. Which leads to more rampant paranoia/schizophrenia which leads to more "woke" and delusion in ever increasing population cross section.

Until you end up where we are today - most of the population clinically insane and running the world.

One of my closest friends is a Prof. Emeritus of Pysch from a major university, and he is politically liberal. He has informed me that solid research has proven that marijuana causes alterations to the brain. It should not be legalized. And now Sacramento is legalizing certain psychedelic mushrooms. Yet at the same time, we have an enormous homeless problem, much of which is due to mental illness.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by swamp2

If sounds to me like you have little to no idea about the relationship between marijuana use and paranoia. Similarly, it seems you don't understand the crucial difference between paranoia and schizophrenia. To be honest the entire post sounds like tinfoil hat speculation.

I suppose the boredom and anxiety here on the actual topic can/does lead us pretty far off topic.

I do not defend or support the use of illicit narcotics. Not now, not ever. If someone wants to put something into their body to try and block out reality because it makes them believe they can be happier that way, go for it. Just don't ever expect me to defend or support them doing it. That lack of support extends to expecting me to intervene in an emergency. IMO, they did it to themselves and should suffer the consequences. Just like I have to when I misbehave.

As for the relationship to paranoia, there are published studies which make that connection. I didn't author the studies, I am only relying on the experts to tell me what is happening in their field of expertise. If those experts say there's a connection between MJ and paranoia, and they have the statistics to back that up, I'm going to believe them.

You should too.

[JiuJitsu]

Going back to the tea leaf reading. It?s nearly Fall. I never thought I would be sitting here waiting still for the first decision to drop from Benitez. All of the big cases for gun rights seem to move glacially slow.

[ritter]

Originally Posted by JiuJitsu

Going back to the tea leaf reading. It?s nearly Fall. I never thought I would be sitting here waiting still for the first decision to drop from Benitez. All of the big cases for gun rights seem to move glacially slow.

Same. I was initially hopeful it would be a few months after Bruen that we'd get some relief. Nope!

Turns out, it's going to be years.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by rplaw

I do not defend or support the use of illicit narcotics. Not now, not ever. If someone wants to put something into their body to try and block out reality because it makes them believe they can be happier that way, go for it. Just don't ever expect me to defend or support them doing it. That lack of support extends to expecting me to intervene in an emergency. IMO, they did it to themselves and should suffer the consequences. Just like I have to when I misbehave.

As for the relationship to paranoia, there are published studies which make that connection. I didn't author the studies, I am only relying on the experts to tell me what is happening in their field of expertise. If those experts say there's a connection between MJ and paranoia, and they have the statistics to back that up, I'm going to believe them.

You should too.

Mostly doubly off topic...

Marijuana is not a narcotic. Wow....

One must also dig past a headline to understand issues. Low probability and temporal effects under very high dose is not equivalent to a permanent effect and alteration.

Nicotine and alcohol cause almost immeasurableably more personal, societal and financial harm than marijuana.

[DolphinFan]

Justice delayed is Justice denied.
Perhaps we need a ballot initiative, The Judicial Speedy Decision after Trial Act.
I propose NO Judge should require more than 3 months, 90 days to release a decision.

SPEEDY TRIAL ACT OF 1974 - DEFINING THE SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT. THE SPEEDY TRIAL ACT OF 1974 MANDATES THAT, BY 1980, THE PERIOD OF DELAY IN ALL FEDERAL AND DISTRICT COURTS SHALL NOT EXCEED 100 DAYS, SUBJECT TO A VARIETY OF EXCLUDABLE PERIODS OF DELAY.

Benetiz should have released his decision by now. It?s been well over 100 days

[AlmostHeaven]

The federal government classifies marijuana as a narcotic, so for legal purposes, the story ends here. Starting a verbal kerfuffle about whether cannabis ought not to be is the equivalent of arguing shotguns with 16" barrels do not really count as short-barreled shotguns.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

The federal government classifies marijuana as a narcotic, so for legal purposes, the story ends here. Starting a verbal kerfuffle about whether cannabis ought not to be is the equivalent of arguing shotguns with 16" barrels do not really count as short-barreled shotguns.

As with any legal issue, the first thing you should do is look at who is advocating what.

Those who have an interest in 16" shotguns not being classified as short barrelled rifles probably have a personal stake in the outcome.

[tenemae]

Originally Posted by ritter

Same. I was initially hopeful it would be a few months after Bruen that we'd get some relief. Nope!

Turns out, it's going to be years.

I came to that realization this year. It's getting to the point that even the courts can't help us because it takes the better part of a decade to nullify a law and only a single year to pass it. Even if the courts are 100% in our favor, we still lose. Something else needs to change or we'll be swamped under an endless stream of intentionally unconstitutional laws designed to eradicate our "protected" rights.

We need to be able to jail the legislators doing this.

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by ritter

Same. I was initially hopeful it would be a few months after Bruen that we'd get some relief. Nope!

Turns out, it's going to be years.

Legislatures move much more rapidly than courts, and gun prohibitionists take full advantage of the asymmetry. I doubt five votes exist on the Supreme Court for such a ruling, but I would like to see qualified immunity end for representatives who vote to enact unconstitutional laws.

[tenemae]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

Legislatures move much more rapidly than courts, and gun prohibitionists take full advantage of the asymmetry. I doubt five votes exist on the Supreme Court for such a ruling, but I would like to see qualified immunity end for representatives who vote to enact unconstitutional laws.

Qualified immunity has led to a serious situation where legislators openly give SCOTUS the one-finger salute. The courts' authority has been undermined, and they may lose all influence if this accelerates. I doubt that significance has been lost on the justices, liberal or conservative

[CCWFacts]

I was really hoping to finally get a Gen 5 Glock but I'm now thinking that by the time that's available, they will already have a Gen 6.

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by CCWFacts

I was really hoping to finally get a Gen 5 Glock but I'm now thinking that by the time that's available, they will already have a Gen 6.

I do not understand what you are saying. Glock Gen 5 models would only become available to California residents if one of the handgun roster constitutional challenges succeeds. If Boland v. Bonta or Renna v. Bonta strikes down the roster, then Glock Gen 6 pistols would likewise enter the California market.

[CCWFacts]

I'm just making a joke about how long this is taking. By the time the SCOTUS finally deals with this, Glock will have released their Gen 6 models.

Actually I expect it to be sooner than that, but nothing moves fast in our legal system.

[Offwidth]

Originally Posted by rplaw

Those who have an interest in 16" shotguns not being classified as short barrelled rifles probably have a personal stake in the outcome.

Yes, we all have a personal stake in not having bearable arms banned. Second amendment and all.

There is nothing about 14" shotgun for it to be banned.

[frigzy]

The sad reality is that the vast majority of the state hates guns and is happy to see gun control laws enacted. At this point, it seems to me that I’m just in the wrong place. When in Rome, do as the Romans do after all. This weekend, I’m going to drive to Idaho to check it out.

[abinsinia]

Duncan decision just dropped .. Maybe more on the way .

[hikingwithguns]

Duncan dropped but injunction stayed for 10 days to allow for appeal if I read it correctly. Sigh

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...3515.149.0.pdf

[tast101]

Originally Posted by hikingwithguns

Duncan dropped but injunction stayed for 10 days to allow for appeal if I read it correctly. Sigh

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...3515.149.0.pdf

You are correct. Feel a little good tho boys. Wonder how long til the appeals are heard.

[eaglemike]

Originally Posted by hikingwithguns

Duncan dropped but injunction stayed for 10 days to allow for appeal if I read it correctly. Sigh

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...3515.149.0.pdf

I'm still glad this dropped. Lefties will be stroking out.

[hikingwithguns]

Originally Posted by eaglemike

I'm still glad this dropped. Lefties will be stroking out.

Yes it is good and a well written decision. No reason not to have another freedom week or weekend for now though.

[Sgt Raven]

Originally Posted by hikingwithguns

Yes it is good and a well written decision. No reason not to have another freedom week or weekend for now though.

The State would have filed an Emergency Appeal if he did that. The State was not going to get caught with It's pants down again.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

The State would have filed an Emergency Appeal if he did that. The State was not going to get caught with It's pants down again.

The State had already requested a stay. To not give it to them could be argued to have been capricious. I wouldn't have and I would have outlined why by simply saying that an infringement on a Constitutional Right cannot be remedied and the State has no interest in continuing or being allowed to continue to act in an illegal manner.

But, we'll know after the appeal is filed where the 9th stands regarding this decision by whether they continue the stay or let it lapse. Because believe you me, every judge on the circuit has already or will soon download the decision so they know what happened.

[Strafer]

What a read! Many gems inside. Here's one of my favorites:

Pg 39

"Because the Bruen approach places the burden upon the government to justify its
firearm restrictions by demonstrating that they are consistent with the Nation?s historical
tradition of firearm regulation as understood at the founding, and because judicial review
under the Bruen standard is in its infancy, the State has been given generous time and
leeway to satisfy its new burden. The State?s experts have been studying historic firearm
regulations for more than 20 years. This Court has reviewed all of the declarations of
the State?s experts and historians as well as many of their cited sources, and finds no
support for the State?s ban."

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[Fjold]

It is Friday. I just came in from driving tractor and saw this. Congratulations guys. Hopefully the 9th hears it quickly.

[Foothills]

I've been in meetings all day. Anything especially nifty or terrible happen?

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by Foothills

I've been in meetings all day. Anything especially nifty or terrible happen?

Well you know, it is Friday and hopes are high...

[Foothills]

Originally Posted by rplaw

Well you know, it is Friday and hopes are high...

Lemme hit "New Posts." One moment.

[DolphinFan]

I called his clerk yesterday after making the above post.
I made the same statement to his clerk.
I expect the other decisions to be released every other Friday over the next 6 weeks.
He has other decisions ready to be released. 10 business days is reasonable for the state to digest the bad news, before he hits them with another disappointment.
And also give them time to appeal.
They?ll either appeal all of them or figure it out when the next one is released, in 10 days.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by DolphinFan

I called his clerk yesterday after making the above post.
I made the same statement to his clerk.
I expect the other decisions to be released every other Friday over the next 6 weeks.
He has other decisions ready to be released. 10 business days is reasonable for the state to digest the bad news, before he hits them with another disappointment.
And also give them time to appeal.
They?ll either appeal all of them or figure it out when the next one is released, in 10 days.

I guess all those who had their markers down on him releasing them all at once lost their bets then.

I'll have to go back and look at my prediction but IIRC it was a range between this Nov to Jan 24. It might have been Oct but I think I said Nov. Not that it helps any since it's still Sept so I'm out of the running for being the pool winner.

[eaglemike]

Originally Posted by rplaw

I guess all those who had their markers down on him releasing them all at once lost their bets then.

I'll have to go back and look at my prediction but IIRC it was a range between this Nov to Jan 24. It might have been Oct but I think I said Nov. Not that it helps any since it's still Sept so I'm out of the running for being the pool winner.

I won't look back at my predictions, but I know it's within the window of my guess. Once in my life, I can say I predicted something like this (at least somewhat close.)
No matter the predictions, we have a judge in place that follows the Constitution!!!
I am so very very grateful!!!
Thank you judge Roger Benitez!!

[AlmostHeaven]

I am currently knocking on multiple pieces of wood, as well as lighting candles in front of pictures of Judge Benitez, to manifest Miller v. Bonta next week and Rhode v. Bonta the week thereafter.

[tenemae]

Originally Posted by DolphinFan

He has other decisions ready to be released. 10 business days is reasonable for the state to digest the bad news, before he hits them with another disappointment.

It's just 10 days, not 10 business days. So Oct 2nd is the deadline for 9CA to act

[Spaceship]

Does this mean if Bonta does not respond in 10 days or does not get a injunction in 10 days, there will be freedom week?

[curtisfong]

Originally Posted by Spaceship

Does this mean if Bonta does not respond in 10 days or does not get [his own stay of the injunction or extension of the stay] in 10 days, there will be freedom week?

Correct. However, since the 9th works directly for both Bonta and the DoJ, there will be no problem meeting the deadline. The 9th already knows what they are supposed to do.