Contra Costa

[ryan5474]

Ok I need some input here .
I received a denied CCW email today from the sheriff . I received a phone call a few weeks back stating that I did not disclose that I had a DUI in 2005 but I was not charged with any crime didn?t even go to court DMV gave my license back one week after (was told it will not be on your record).
? The information obtained regarding your application, in comparison to the requirements imposed by law on issuing authorities, precluded the issuance of a permit.? This is what was sent to me . What can I do ? Can I appeal ? What is the time to wait to re-apply ? Thanks gents in advance for your input . Btw I also have a non resident Arizona CCW .

[AdamM]

Curious what everyone?s Livescan timeline was? I did mine on 9/8 and still only shows CA, not DOJ or firearms

[bonzai272]

Originally Posted by ryan5474

Ok I need some input here .
I received a denied CCW email today from the sheriff . I received a phone call a few weeks back stating that I did not disclose that I had a DUI in 2005 but I was not charged with any crime didn?t even go to court DMV gave my license back one week after (was told it will not be on your record).
? The information obtained regarding your application, in comparison to the requirements imposed by law on issuing authorities, precluded the issuance of a permit.? This is what was sent to me . What can I do ? Can I appeal ? What is the time to wait to re-apply ? Thanks gents in advance for your input . Btw I also have a non resident Arizona CCW .

Arrested for DUI but not charged? Still had an arrest or contact for DUI on the record, and shoulve been disclosed. That's a tough one. Might need to work with an attorney.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by bonzai272

Arrested for DUI but not charged? Still had an arrest or contact for DUI on the record, and shoulve been disclosed. That's a tough one. Might need to work with an attorney.

Agreed.

[rrr70]

Originally Posted by sev07

Hi guys. CCW unrelated, but Contra Costa related, and didn't know where to post.

I'm moving from Southern California to CCC.

I normally shoot at FT3 and Route 66 gun club.

Neither of these ranges inspect any firearms, and (when I've seen others with non-compliant firearms, like featured rifles with compmags, and compmags being removed at the range and using normal mags), the RSO's don't interrupt or give any issues.

Is this a similar sentiment that would be found at CCC ranges, or are the RSO's much more strict about these types of things?

What kind of attitude should I expect? What ranges are worthwhile in CCC? Is it true that all CCC ranges require a short class and test before shooting?

Thanks all, if there is a more appropriate place to ask this question, please let me know.

Are you asking if it?s an OK to break the law at local ranges?

[Go Navy]

Originally Posted by sev07

Hi guys. CCW unrelated, but Contra Costa related, and didn't know where to post.

I'm moving from Southern California to CCC.

I normally shoot at FT3 and Route 66 gun club.

Neither of these ranges inspect any firearms, and (when I've seen others with non-compliant firearms, like featured rifles with compmags, and compmags being removed at the range and using normal mags), the RSO's don't interrupt or give any issues.

Is this a similar sentiment that would be found at CCC ranges, or are the RSO's much more strict about these types of things?

What kind of attitude should I expect? What ranges are worthwhile in CCC? Is it true that all CCC ranges require a short class and test before shooting?

Thanks all, if there is a more appropriate place to ask this question, please let me know.

I highly recommend United Sportsmen's Range in Concord. It has been completely updated with new facilities, and offers trap, skeet, five stand, pistol, and rifle. It consists of four clubs. I belong to Diablo Rod and Gun Club which is one of them.

https://diablorodandgun.com

Yes, like most ranges, you take and pass a safety test, and a range safety officer briefs you in person on safe handling of your firearm and range rules. All firearms must be cased when you arrive at the range. When shooting pistol, you are not allowed to practice from a holster.

[BigPimping]

When I picked up my permit, I had the credit card size card with my photo on it and the piece of paper. They told me I could laminate. My CCW instructor told me that he did not carry the piece of paper, but I was told by the police representative that I should have it. Not sure why it just basically has the same information. I?ve laminated it and put it into the folder where I carry my permit.

[Psychbiker]

Qual Test 11/4.

Coco sheriff. Tripping bout passing. Gonna dry fire, range and two private Instructions before.

[Bikerscum]

Has anyone recently gotten a reply from Permitium sent to the address on the website? How long did it take?

15 months in (2 since receiving the Permitium letter) & I'm thinking my app may have gone in the round file.

[kenzyhere]

Originally Posted by Bikerscum

I got the letter to restart with Permitium 8-2-23, 13 months from when I initiated the paper app. Submitted docs again online, did live scan.... crickets.

Took me 10 months from start to finish. After you submit your application, it doesn't start the timer... the actual timer is started once you do your live scan. I would suggest to see if live scan is completed.

After live scan is done, you can check in with the sheriff's dept (email them) and see what date your application (live scan completion); that is when actually when your timer starts. If you ask, they will tell you what month they are processing applications.

Hopefully you have no parking tickets, DUIs or any issues with the law, then it should go smooth.

My advice for people is to get application in and do live scan right away. I did my live scan a month after and got mine later than if I did it right away. Then it's just a waiting game. Everyone at the sheriff's office was really nice, just overwhelmed.

[kenzyhere]

Originally Posted by Bikerscum

Has anyone recently gotten a reply from Permitium sent to the address on the website? How long did it take?

15 months in (2 since receiving the Permitium letter) & I'm thinking my app may have gone in the round file.

Email them, they are pretty responsive. If you don't hear within a day or two, email them again. They can tell you where you are in line. Did you do live scan? Your timer doesn't start till you do a live scan.

[Blade1055]

Ok, I'm a December 21, Live Scan Date, my Permitium Status just recently went from "order Started" (The first blue bar) and now the second Bar (payment received) is Blue. But we don't pay until we pick up so I'm not sure what that means (assigned to investigator?). Currently the third bar "Order Pending" is Orange.
Can anyone tell me what that means and what would be a rough estimate on being called for my qualifying shoot? Permitium notes above the Status field that I will be sent and email every time my status changes, but I've received nothing. I just check it a few times a week.
Did you get a call or email when the "order Pending" goes Blue to schedule you Qualification?
I did send a note to LT Hoekwater asking about SB2 16 hour training requirements starting January 1st. If I don't get my permit by 1/1/24 will I need an additional 8 hour CCW2 class?

[BigKat707]

I train CCW for Contra Costa County and spoke to Lt Hoekwater today about this same thing. He responded, "if they were approved for their CCW permit and we have not completed the permitting process by Jan 2024, they will be required to get the additional training."

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by BigKat707

I train CCW for Contra Costa County and spoke to Lt Hoekwater today about this same thing. He responded, "if they were approved for their CCW permit and we have not completed the permitting process by Jan 2024, they will be required to get the additional training."

Same date the CCW becomes worthless pieces of paper due to all of the sensitive places of SB2.

I hate this freaking state. California can suck it.

[XDJYo]

And, how much you wanna bet that the CCW approval process just got a whole bunch of mole-asses dumped into it and they come to a screaching halt now that SB2 was signed. I certainly hope not.

[TheNinja]

Originally Posted by Blade1055

Ok, I'm a December 21, Live Scan Date, my Permitium Status just recently went from "order Started" (The first blue bar) and now the second Bar (payment received) is Blue. But we don't pay until we pick up so I'm not sure what that means (assigned to investigator?). Currently the third bar "Order Pending" is Orange.
Can anyone tell me what that means and what would be a rough estimate on being called for my qualifying shoot? Permitium notes above the Status field that I will be sent and email every time my status changes, but I've received nothing. I just check it a few times a week.
Did you get a call or email when the "order Pending" goes Blue to schedule you Qualification?
I did send a note to LT Hoekwater asking about SB2 16 hour training requirements starting January 1st. If I don't get my permit by 1/1/24 will I need an additional 8 hour CCW2 class?

I think you and I are in the exact same "group" and time frame. I was a December 2022 (around the 21st/23rd with application and LiveScan approved). Then I had to reupload into Permitium. So I was worried b/c all my Permitium stuff says July of 2023 now.

I initially emailed them and asked how I keep my original spot in the queue from Dec. 2022. They assured me my orginal spot was there and LiveScan was done even though permitium said waiting for LiveScan yet.

Just recently I went to a blue bar for "order started" and a blue bar for "Payment Received" and now it's yellow for "order pending" whatever that means. I'm guessing I'm close in the queue now or they are reviewing my application for anything bad on it.

And like you I have never received any emails except a return call from CCW office about my question in the queue.

Keep us posted here if you hear anything else and I'll do the same. Hopefully we both get "the call" soon.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by BigKat707

I train CCW for Contra Costa County and spoke to Lt Hoekwater today about this same thing. He responded, "if they were approved for their CCW permit and we have not completed the permitting process by Jan 2024, they will be required to get the additional training."

This is terrible! I hope that a judge issues a stay of SB2.

[Blade1055]

As noted above my Permitium Status changed recently from Blue in the first status field to Blue in the Second field and "orange in the third field. LT Hoekwater responded to an email I sent and told me my file was with the Sheriff for his final review (before being called for a qualification shoot). So, Third Status Bar - Sheriff reviewing to sign off for Shoot? Maye it turns blue after he approves it.
Hope that helps others. I've heard in the past they can be on his desk for 2 to 3 weeks. I'm hoping I can make the Qual shoot and pick up before 1/1/24. But I don't have a problem taking another CCW class, I understand the Paladin tactical CCW2 is a shoot house with air soft. That sounds like great training.

[TheNinja]

Originally Posted by Blade1055

As noted above my Permitium Status changed recently from Blue in the first status field to Blue in the Second field and "orange in the third field. LT Hoekwater responded to an email I sent and told me my file was with the Sheriff for his final review (before being called for a qualification shoot). So, Third Status Bar - Sheriff reviewing to sign off for Shoot? Maye it turns blue after he approves it.
Hope that helps others. I've heard in the past they can be on his desk for 2 to 3 weeks. I'm hoping I can make the Qual shoot and pick up before 1/1/24. But I don't have a problem taking another CCW class, I understand the Paladin tactical CCW2 is a shoot house with air soft. That sounds like great training.

Great information! Thanks for passing it along.

So you took your training before you were approved so that you could get a faster qualification date? I didn't take training yet as I wanted to wait until I was approved. I should have taken it!

[Blade1055]

The Ninja, Sign up and take your class NOW. I was told by the CCW instructor that it's good for two years before the permit is issued. So, unless you feel that there is a question about you passing a background check, schedule a class and get it done. I sent mine n back in January to the Sheriff and they attached it to my file then. Also it's noted on my Permitium file as an attached document.

[BigKat707]

Contra Costa has always said the training certificate is good for 2 years, however, with the change of SB2, unless a stay is put in place it will no longer be accepted. Everyone that hasn't finished the CCW process will have to start the training process over. Which means you don't just take another 8 hour class, you take a full 16-hour class since the requirements in the training have changed as well. Part of that training will be a 1-hour training on Mental Health that CANNOT be taught by the firearms instructor. So expect costs to go up on that training while they find mental health professionals who will come teach it.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by BigKat707

Contra Costa has always said the training certificate is good for 2 years, however, with the change of SB2, unless a stay is put in place it will no longer be accepted. Everyone that hasn't finished the CCW process will have to start the training process over. Which means you don't just take another 8 hour class, you take a full 16-hour class since the requirements in the training have changed as well. Part of that training will be a 1-hour training on Mental Health that CANNOT be taught by the firearms instructor. So expect costs to go up on that training while they find mental health professionals who will come teach it.

I'm sure those mental health professionals will be hand picked by the Sheriff to speed the process along and approve as many applicants as possible (end sarcasm).

I wonder how many CCW approvals will be handed out from here until 1/1/2024. My guess is the process goes dark. Permitium loses applicant records, gets corrupted, loss of funding, CCW dept closure/downsizing/outsourcing blah blah blah.

The Bruen decision should have opened the door for more broad and acceptable 2A laws etc, but only succeeded in opening the door to let more rats into CA. All of these new laws are a knee jerk reaction to Bruen and signs of a crying baby throwing a temper tantrum.

California sucks.

[jatreuel]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

I'm sure those mental health professionals will be hand picked by the Sheriff to speed the process along and approve as many applicants as possible (end sarcasm).



I wonder how many CCW approvals will be handed out from here until 1/1/2024. My guess is the process goes dark. Permitium loses applicant records, gets corrupted, loss of funding, CCW dept closure/downsizing/outsourcing blah blah blah.



The Bruen decision should have opened the door for more broad and acceptable 2A laws etc, but only succeeded in opening the door to let more rats into CA. All of these new laws are a knee jerk reaction to Bruen and signs of a crying baby throwing a temper tantrum.



California sucks.

Take a breath, friend. I have two buddies who both got their qualifications emails this week. The range slots were booked out to the weekend of the 21st of Oct

As some have stated. If you're registered in the CCSO Permitium system and your background is clean.
Book your training and start calling or emailing. They seem to be really responsive to that

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[Bikerscum]

CC's response to my Permitium status update request...

We are currently processing applications with live scans completed in January 2023. Please expect a longer wait time. When your application is pulled in Permitium, you will see an update on your order tracker. In the meantime, the order tracker will remain stagnant. We apologize for the delay.

January??

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Bikerscum

CC's response to my Permitium status update request...

We are currently processing applications with live scans completed in January 2023. Please expect a longer wait time. When your application is pulled in Permitium, you will see an update on your order tracker. In the meantime, the order tracker will remain stagnant. We apologize for the delay.

January??

Where is my shocked face...

[WithinReason]

It seems patently unfair that upgrading the process to a computerized system, coupled with increased staffing, should lead to longer delays...

[Red9]

Did my livescan in November 2022. Received a call Thursday with some questions. Email today told me I'm approved. Next step is qualified.

[RideSF]

Good morning cal gunners, has anyone recently applied in coco county? They accepting regular law abiding citizens?


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[kenzyhere]

Originally Posted by Blade1055

Ok, I'm a December 21, Live Scan Date, my Permitium Status just recently went from "order Started" (The first blue bar) and now the second Bar (payment received) is Blue. But we don't pay until we pick up so I'm not sure what that means (assigned to investigator?). Currently the third bar "Order Pending" is Orange.
Can anyone tell me what that means and what would be a rough estimate on being called for my qualifying shoot? Permitium notes above the Status field that I will be sent and email every time my status changes, but I've received nothing. I just check it a few times a week.
Did you get a call or email when the "order Pending" goes Blue to schedule you Qualification?
I did send a note to LT Hoekwater asking about SB2 16 hour training requirements starting January 1st. If I don't get my permit by 1/1/24 will I need an additional 8 hour CCW2 class?

The same thing happen to me... you should be coming up shortly...my Live Scan was Dec 17, 2022. You should be getting an email soon. You can email the CCW staff and see what dates are they processing; they'll tell you. I got my CCW permit last month. I did the training ahead of time and uploaded it to the portal.

You are taking a chance if you do the Training ahead of time, but that will speed things up to get on the qualification test. The training should be good for 2 years. After the test is completed, it takes about a week or two to get the call for scheduling permit pickup.

Good luck!

[Blade1055]

Ride SF,
If you read the posting you can see that people are getting their permits and being scheduled for their Qualification Shoot. That's the last activity before the Sheriff signs off on your permit and you get called to pay the $160 fee and pick up the permit (total fees about $550 with live Scan, training, permit fee). Noted in an above post is that they are now processing Live scans from January 2023, so there is a 10 month back log.
You application date does not start when it is submitted on Permitium, but when you submit your live scan to the Sheriff department on Permitium. That's the start date. I think 99% of us getting permits are "regular law abiding citizens". O would wait till after Jan.1st to see how the SB2 training requirements shake out be scheduling your training, since you have a 6 to10 month wait. They are processing faster now.

[TheNinja]

Denied - Failure to disclose prior criminal conduct. I did have some prior item on my record (nothing gun related, no felony or anything like that). And to the best of my knowledge I DID disclose everything. I had nothing to try to hide.

Somehow I failed to disclose. I emailed Mr. Livingston and politely asked to discuss at some point. I understood my situation but I didn't lie on my application or attempt to deceive anyone.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by TheNinja

Denied - Failure to disclose prior criminal conduct. I did have some prior item on my record (nothing gun related, no felony or anything like that). And to the best of my knowledge I DID disclose everything. I had nothing to try to hide.

Somehow I failed to disclose. I emailed Mr. Livingston and politely asked to discuss at some point. I understood my situation but I didn't lie on my application or attempt to deceive anyone.

Can you figure out what you failed to disclose and re-apply?

[TheNinja]

Originally Posted by WithinReason

Can you figure out what you failed to disclose and re-apply?

Yes, I feel like I at least deserve an answer on this. I mean they can't just be like "failure to disclose" and then not even give me a chance to talk to them or understand what happened.

As I mentioned, I emailed them and I'll wait maybe 5 business days. If I don't hear anything I will give them a call and find out what's going on or what, if anything, I can do to potentially re-open my app. This really stinks

I don't even think the "good moral character" or whatever is constitutional. I thought if you pass backgrounds and no felonies that you have the right to bear arms to protect yourself. But I would like an explanation.

[jatreuel]

Originally Posted by TheNinja

Yes, I feel like I at least deserve an answer on this. I mean they can't just be like "failure to disclose" and then not even give me a chance to talk to them or understand what happened.



As I mentioned, I emailed them and I'll wait maybe 5 business days. If I don't hear anything I will give them a call and find out what's going on or what, if anything, I can do to potentially re-open my app. This really stinks



I don't even think the "good moral character" or whatever is constitutional. I thought if you pass backgrounds and no felonies that you have the right to bear arms to protect yourself. But I would like an explanation.

Potential reasons could be any type of domestic call where the sheriff was dispatched. DUl or possession charges are all deal breakers for Livingston

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[Chrisdken]

Just filed my new CCW application for CoCo via Permitium:
10/05/23 - application filed

Wish me luck. I had a speeding ticket from Dec 2021 that I disclosed in the questionnaire. Guidance and good luck wishes appreciated.

Thanks!

[WithinReason]

Good luck!

[ryan5474]

TheNinja please share your out come samething happened to me denied for a DUI in 05 but I was never charged with it . Clerk told me it wouldn?t be on my record guess that was BS .

[bonzai272]

I think the key point here is to disclose, disclose, disclose.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by bonzai272

I think the key point here is to disclose, disclose, disclose.

Agreed.

[kenzyhere]

Originally Posted by Chrisdken

Just filed my new CCW application for CoCo via Permitium:
10/05/23 - application filed

Wish me luck. I had a speeding ticket from Dec 2021 that I disclosed in the questionnaire. Guidance and good luck wishes appreciated.

Thanks!

Did you do live scan yet? The timer doesn't start till you do your live scan and application. I found out when doing my CCW. GL!