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Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'. |
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They also make "cold galvanizing" spray paint for recoating compromised areas. Dunno....it was just a thought. Might just throw them in the batch next time I send some stuff out and let y'all know.
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After about an hour I seem to acclimate to it and don't really notice it as much. But when I first put either on, it feels like someone is sitting on my chest and making it hard to breath.
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Check fit of the plate carrier, I shortened the shoulder straps so the plate is sitting right at the bottom of my throat (there is a pic earlier in the thread regarding proper plate placement I believe) and higher up my back for a more proper fit and the weight seemed more even front to back when I did that.
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How are this side plates??
Level IV ICW 6" x 8" ballistic side plate from PPI. This puppy is a first quality ceramic plate with aramid (Kevlar) backing wrapped in a black cordura for protection from the elements. It is a svelte 3/4" thick, and weighs in at approximately 2.8 lbs. |
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I think it would be a great experiment. Please do.
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Yes indeed, they are the best deal in town right now. Good steel!
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i just ordered the patriot curved 10x12 plates as well as the side 6x8 plates and all of them will be with line x. Total came to $182. Not bad ... a lot of the cost was in the lining with the liner else it would have been only $110.
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D-r, about the Patriot plates: Do you know what they mean by "COAT 2" - is it a 2nd layer of Line-X on the strike face? Is it significantly better for fragmentation protection than a single layer? I don't mind to pay extra but don't want unnecessary thickness or weight.
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Just posted my latest shoot test of the Maingun plate and version 4.2.3 spall guard:
https://drmorgear.wordpress.com/2014...patriot-plate/ Note that this is a bare steel plate, and spall was reduced 95%-98% when the guard was used.
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I've been intrigued for some time now... can we get a hint of what "Project A" and "HardFace Plate Upgrade" will be? Just a hint...
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d-r do you happen to know what the weight on these plates is? I do not see it listed on the link on your blog. |
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Last big gun show in this area I had a little money and decided some armor would be good preventive medicine. If it can reduce my odds of not bleeding out before 911 arrives and my opponent isn't so lucky, that sounds like a good investment to me.
The vendor was Trevor Pearson at Tactical Armed Citizen. I purchased the full front, full back (curved) and two side plates plus carrier - $300. Level III protection, the rig assembled weighs around 20 lbs. I have a couple of pistol mag pouches on it right now and am looking for a molle attachement holster for an XD (found several, trying to decide which I like best). My chosen role for this rig is checking out a nighttime "noise" of undetermined origin, hence it is set up for pistol as primary. If I ever get my Blackout .300 AR pistol finished I'll switch over to that system. If I really, really think it's a bad guy in the house... screw that, I can sit and wait for 911 to show up, let them do the checking. I think TAC used to have a web site but I'm not able to access it at the moment. Here's a video of some of their product (not my video). Youtube Video Product Presentation: TAC Steel Plate - Level 4
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7.9 lbs for mine.
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Hope that helped.
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You are very welcome. Glad you like the links!
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I have another question, I see where some guys have purchased Level IV stand alone plates yet they are also wearing level III backers with them what is the advantage to doing this, the downside is extra weight and bulk added to carrier.
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I advocate wearing backers regardless of the plate. The extra backface deformation protection is worth it. Plus, the total package is more versatile, as you can run just the backers in a scenario where rifle rounds are not expected. The extra weight and bulk are minimal (extra couple pounds, less than half inch thickness).
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hey d-r...was wondering what you thought about the Velocity Lightweight Special Threat Multi-Hit
http://store.appalachiantraining.com...ode=VS-PBZ-MED it looks like it's ceramic, but can take multi-hit 7.62 x 39 AP. Yea, it's pretty pricey...but it seems like to be the best of both worlds? (multi-hit 7.62 AP, multi-hit M855, and LIGHT at 3.9 lbs for Medium plates) also says you have to use "In-conjunction with soft armor model VS-13A" |
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Spall protection for one. Not all plates have an adequate spall liner.
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If the backers were being worn for spall protection they would be worn in front of the plate not as a backer correct?
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Anyone handle the stuff the target man offers from spartan armor (vendor here)
Level III. 3lbs per plate. Multi hit rated. They shot it 6 times with 308 @ 50 feet and it held up. Pricey but super light. 500 for the pair. So $250 per plate. Made from some sorta crazy plastic. Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene that floats in water. There's also some composite level IV stuff. But I think this stuff is as heavy as the ar500 plates.
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http://www.midwestarmor.com/body-armor/venture-fm-stx
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If you need spall protection, look into one of the three current methods (coating, slip-on guards, picture frame method).
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You would simply ruin the backer and still have spall in your face. Backers in back, fronters in front.
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OK that was my thoughts it did not make much sense to me when I read it. |
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http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...r-under-armor/
Saw this on PoliceOne.com today, some sort of body armor insulation to reduce heat buildup inside. $69.99 per piece, might pick up one later to test the performance... |
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This article doesn't cover any technical details regarding armor, but it does touch on the potential future legality of it.
http://www.guns.com/2014/08/08/congr...-to-civilians/ |
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The goal of this bill is to stop all armor that is able to defeat "law enforcement ammunition." I will ignore WTF is law enforcement ammunition, and stay on point. LVL IIIA is able to stop just about every pistol round there is. Most Law enforcement uses 9mm, and everything in current production can stop that. Even IIA (the worst armor in regards to stopping power) can stop 40s and 45ACP.
So... what is the point of this bill again?
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Great thread! Lots of good info...
To make sure I understand, the general rule of thought is: All around set-up: Carrier with plates, backers and spall mitigation - can be worn with with just backers or complete Plates - L3,L3+,L4 depending on need and desire - materials, steels, ceramics and UHMWPE all good with pro/cons for each - Line-X coating on steel plates (as example) works as spall mitigation along as well as corrosion (to be used in conjuction with additional spall mitigation such as backers) Backers - L3A (best option) - Materials - avoid all except woven aramids (kevlar etc) Am I missing anything - on the basic level? Is this something that would be good and versatile for nearly all situations as it is adaptable? Last question - backers ran alone - just as effective as soft armor vest (given same level pro?) |
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