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Can this post be moved to the Survival and Preparations thread?
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Just found this thread. Read straight through all 242 posts and still don't want this story to end! Great writing and a great read.
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Moving it to the Survival and Preparations thread makes sense to me.
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Just bumping this so it doesn't get forgotten - you know who you are...

Also please move to survival/preps...

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Great reading and some eye opening thoughts chaparral. I am not sure in my own case if it would be a blessing or a curse, but I have no family or friends to try and meet up with. In this scenario I would most likely just bug out with in 24 hours. My Jeep CJ would run. Although I would most likely have to change out the alternator. No problem there I keep spares. I would load it and my jeep trailer up and head out to some place not so populated. i don't feel a running vehicle would attract too much attention at first only because most would not even understand the situation they were in yet.
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March, 2012, nine months into it now…

Got fava and bell beans coming in. Yields ain’t super-duper spectacular but then with young soil that hasn’t had the required three to seven years of development, we can’t expect much. The beans fix a lot of nitrogen so they’re a dual purpose crop. We harvest the beans and then cut the stalks down while leaving the rhizome undisturbed. This will give us a smaller second crop while continuing to build soil. One of the better gardening decisions we made back in August was to plant peas and beans very heavily in the fall and winter months in order to start fixing nitrogen into that piss-poor excuse for soil that’s found in 90% of surburban yards. The Hippie gardeners by the refinery gave me some Indian “moth-bean” seeds that ostensibly do well in extreme heat and dryness. They grow, fix nitrogen and produce a modest crop where weeds can barely survive. Also got some “Piricicaba” Broccoli that does well in warm climates so I’ll be trying that this spring. Planted up some Virginia Gold Tobacco seeds that I had bought before the world changed and have a few seedlings emerging. Nicotine is a powerful insecticide and a good trade item so while it won’t keep any of us from starving now, it might yield benefits later.

Speaking of starving, the grains we got in trade for the Barretts have mold and ergot in them. Apparently someone left the storage hatches open and rain got into the cargo holds and spoilage is spreading. Those idiots would have had enough food for several years had they practiced some basic good housekeeping but they didn’t so now we’ll have a new wave of zombies who are in their predicament because of congenital stupidity. I scrounged up all my .44 mag and a scoped Desert Eagle along with some gold bars, Rolexes and other crap and traded what I could for another four cubic yards of wheat and corn. Gotta get their inventory before they figure out it’s spoiling and they only have a few months of food left. Putting together some impressive looking battle rifles with cheap fancy crap attached to them for more trade….gotta get as much of that grain out of them as we can, as fast as we can. Since these folks could very likely become enemies in the near future, I’ll make sure that whatever we sell them is finicky about ammo, needs lots of care and maintenance and hard to find spare parts.

In another nod to the necessity of trade, we’ve decided to stake out and defend with force, all accessible oil refineries, fuel depots, oil wells and solar installations on schools and the like. Brea Canon, Mobil, BP, Tosco all operated facilities in the area. If we can run the local oil well pumps on solar or wind, we can extract the goopy crud out of the ground and even if its 90% water, we can separate out the heavy components for diesel, the lighter distillates for cooking and heat and the octane for generators and old pickup trucks. Somewhere out there, whatever assets the US Navy possessed elsewhere in the world are poking about the world’s oceans to feed their personnel and fuel the ships and planes. It’d be nice to have enough of a civilization up and running to convince them to stay when they show up at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.
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Summer 2012, The first anniversary of TEOTWAKI,

That tobacco is a freakin’ weed! The seedlings come up so easily it’s scary but still not fast enough for us: insects are devouring our food as fast as we can grow it. We found tree tobacco growing by the side of the road, as it does all over So Cal and did a little chemical extraction of the nicotine and some other alkaloids for the purpose of making insecticide. Our scavengers then found tea tree oil bottles in the ruins of several local retail stores and mixed those with our extract and sprayed it on specific affected plants. The natural predators have a time lag to beat when it comes to catching up with their prey populations and the cabbage loopers, thrips, aphids, grasshoppers, katydids, weevils and the like have feasted on our plants faster than the ladybugs, scrub jays, parasitoid wasps and the like could reproduce to keep the them in check. We’re manually crushing some pests and squirting our nicotine concoction on others with small spray bottles. Got some of the kids shooting grasshoppers with cheap little airsoft guns…teaches them the beginnnings of marksmanship and makes them useful at the same time.

I haven’t touched a shortwave in months. Thankfully others are practically on them all the time. Our ham radio dude lost a leg to an infection…nothing so heroic as a rescuing damsels in distress from zombies in the middle of an intense firefight. Nope. Just a gash on his ankle from slipping while carrying water that got worse and worse until it morphed into gas-gangrene. A precious store of anesthetic was trotted out for the amputation and some of our broad spectrum antibiotics were used to keep it from eating up the rest of him. Now that he’s on the radio most of the time we’ve gotten lots of intel on what’s going on in the rest of California. It looks like a substantial number of preppers took to the Santa Monica Mtns and beyond and have re-coalesced around Sepulveda Dam and other areas where there is surface water from the LA, San Gabriel and Santa Ana rivers. One of them, a UCLA biochemist had squirreled away a peculiar strain of Penicillium notatum that produces an unusually high amount of its namesake antibiotic. Along with the chemical procedures for getting other “cillins” and the “mycins” from their chemical precursors, she is set up to continue production of most known antibiotics that existed in generic form before the electricity went out. Funny thing, I’d met her many years ago and had remembered her idea of putting together a “save button” or “reboot disk” for civilization. She had a perfectly good bug out location up behind Ukiah but never made it past Mulholland on the 405. The EMP had instantly made nearly every single paved road impassible for more than 100 yards.

The folks in San Diego county that survived beat a retreat up into the peninsular ranges and anything from Highway 8 at Descanso to the 79 around Temecula was pretty much self-sustaining now. The steep peninsular ranges coupled with only a few ways in and out from the urbanized coast meant that the bodies piled high and deep at Pala/Rincon, Descanso, Aguanga, Pamo Road and various truck trails. Dozens of horses and Angus cattle survived there and grazed the flat areas around Warner Springs and Cuyamac. A fellow from Ramona had headed to the higher reaches with a small Dairy herd of six cows and one male calf. He had instantly known the full implications and his objective was to prevent the loss of milk and cheese to future generations of humanity and give his children a line of work. The growing herd now grazed heavily guarded on a high desolate plateau ringed by 6000 foot peaks. Plenty of technical expertise from Scripps and La Jolla meant that they had some neat stuff at their disposal: One guy had a way to manufacture resistors from carbon and electrolytic capacitors from scavenged materials. Transformer cores were machined and filed from cast iron pipe fittings and decorative railing and the wire was coated in pine resin before being wrapped around cardboard bobbins. Hysteresis be damned, the things worked and they could step up or down voltage to their hearts' content. Another had figured out a way to make smaller capacitors using mica as the dielectric and feldspar clay provided by the abundant pegmatites that dot the region. Someone else had a way of making very simple, very crude transistors, both NPN and PNP types. Parabolic reflectors made from hundreds of small mirrors scavenged from department stores attached to adjustable wood frames provided the industrial heat sources for their processes of refining the various materials. There were some very hard core prepper-survivalist types from Chihuahua Valley and Lake Henshaw to Julian and all the way on down Japatul Rd towards the border and they apparently got their s**t together fast enough to turn the entire area into the “Switzerland” of So Cal. Still, there is a problem of theirs that could rapidly become a problem of ours: The odd emissary from points south shows up at their checkpoints bearing the message “plata o plomo”.

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Love this thread! Any updates?! =)
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Sounds like "lights out - CA edition"
Your post pre-dates the CA version of Lights Out, which is " EMP Los Angeles" by Frank LaFlamme. I'm taking another swing at reading it this week after reading the first 50 pages earlier this year and setting it down for other books.

If I was in OPs scenario, I guess the back window to the Durango will be getting shattered so I can access my BOB and work bags, and then hoofing it home.
If I am at the store I normally shop at, it is actually closer to my dad's place, and his Model A Ford certainly pre-dates any EMP-susceptible electronics. Get a ride home from him and go from there.

If my primary employer doesn't have some sort of operations up and going in a few days I guess I am on indefinite leave or he may opt to have his subordinates continue to function at a much reduced level in the towns and villages where they reside. The part time gig, a village just a few miles down the road, might also need my services since I am literally the closest employee; everyone else working there commutes much longer distances to work. So long for some of them that they would probably never report back for duty. For any LEOs continuing to serve t would be reverting back to the Texas Ranger saying of one ranger one riot, because backup would be non-existent.
The fictional version of this thing where everything everywhere stops working is at best a theory, since no one knows for sure how widely stuff will be affected. Life in general will certainly suck for most Americans who are used to the fairly smoothly functioning society we operate in. Folks in Afghanistan may not care so much; they'll curse that the cheap radio they got from some US aid program doesn't work and then they'll roll back over and snuggle back up with the goat they were spending the night with.
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Just a weird thought .. But


Could I still open my Electronic Push button lock Cannon safe after an EMP??
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Could I still open my Electronic Push button lock Cannon safe after an EMP??
No one really knows. Lots of guessing on the topic with little actual fact since most any real science on this would be highly classified as weapons tech.
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Time to see how you compare now to how you did when this first came out. Read the posts 1 and 9 and go
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Regardless of the yield, altitude, and magnitude of the detonation you say ALL electronics are fried. This is why I hate these "what if" scenarios. Ok so were back in the 16th century, to answer your question we need to know why.

Terrorist attack/Accident - Simple. Stay put and wait for the power to come back on. I have enough supplies to last me and mine a good while and barring any mythical Road warrior bands of maurauders, well I have enough ammo too.

Foriegn/Alien/Zombie Invasion - Steal an aircraft from the airport and evac the family to my dad's place in BFE Nevada and return to kick some foriegn alien zombie butt. Or more realisticly get killed on my way to the forward rally point as I've been a civilian too long.

I'm pretty sure the Magnetos in airplanes are GTG as is Joewy's VW.
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Last Saturday:

I was teaching a Women on Target pistol class at Burro Canyon.

The good:
My Carry kit was in my truck as normal.
(5) days water, 16oz per day
(5) days high calorie small bars
Cold weather rain jacket and 3 day backpack.
I was dressed in my training gear (5.11 pants, bates boots, Columbia SPF button down, 60 cash, OR boonie and so on.
Medic kit was range ready.
Knives, lights, batteries extra food, water and other.
My load out was 500 9mm, 15 mags, Glock 19 and 17.
590 A1, 100 shells, #4. AR with 300 .223.
My walk home would be 30 miles, 20 miles mountain and the rest city.
Short of a night vision mono and folding bike, I am ready.

Now the Bad:
I was teaching a class.
I had 5 instructors varying in age and preparedness.
7 women students varying in age and preparedness.
For 12 additional people whom i have the responsibility to get them off the mountain and maybe to my home:
Food enough for half a day
Fluids enough for 1 day
The age and health variance was extreme. Some may chose not to attempt the walk because they can't walk that far or not in the health to attempt it. They would be off my responsibility list.
Only good thing for the extra people, i had 16 training pistols and two mags per and 4000 22llr shells.
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So, I haven't read every post in this thread ('cause you have to reserve some time for Archer and Scooby Doo), but it occurs to me that an EMP would take out the electronics on the reflex sight on my Buckmark. Now what?!! Instinct shooting? BTW, for those who have not read it, "Lights Out" is an excellent scenario layout. Could happen....
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While an EMP would be a huge bummer, I think a much more likely scenario is a large portion of the nations electrical grid gets taken down. While not as bad as an EMP that fries everything NOW, it will ultimately have the same end. True, those with LARGE gasoline supplies will be able to drive but gas will quickly be gone. At least we should be able to make it to our homes when the grid goes south.
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Being that I read one second after as soon as I had the input you have provided I'd act.

1). A super wal mart is 7 minutes from me by bike, and I keep a few thousand cash tucked away for emergencies. I'd conceal my ppk/s and get my wife on a ride there. A few things we need. 4:15 PM I'm assuming employees will take cash only. Not ghat I don't have some but I'm going to add 2,000 rnds of 22, 250 of 45, and 500 of 223 there. We'll gather some candles, extra lighter fluid, pills of carius kinds, and some bagged soups. I may add to our rice. They sell kiddie carts for bikes there which I don't have so I'd get them.

2). Back home I'd fill the tub, and any clean container with water or have my wife do that as I kick up the BBQ for meet that needs to be cooked. I'd invite 2 neighbors I have over and convince them if the prob.

3). By Friday I pack the bug out by bike gear after eating big all week and head for Nevada leaving about 4 am and settling at my first stop out bt 7 am. We'd travel from 1 am to 7 am there after and arrive at the property in 10 days.
You're assuming Wal Mart hasn't just locked all their doors once the blackout hits and you're assuming that there will be electricity running the water pumping for the city (though they may/should have generators).
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@Chaparral you write this into a book yet?!
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Thought I would bring this back up for the new crop. Its a fun read and may get you thinking.
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Let me setup and throw a scenario at you. Tell us how you would respond to it for say the first week.


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Jumpin Jeebus on a pogo stick! This is still around? I'll have to go back and re-read from page 1.

there's been changes.
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Yeah, here's a change - https://www.theepochtimes.com/north-...s_2816818.html

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North Korea has two satellites that orbit above America and may hold nuclear bombs, a report recently declassified by the Department of Defense (DOD) warns.

If either satellite holds a nuclear bomb, it could be detonated when above America, cause an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and break America’s electric grid indefinitely. A full 90 percent of Americans could die.
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I live on acreage in Northern Idaho, this is a normal weekend.

We are good. Good luck Cali.
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Nice throwback. Lots of practical info. I'd pretty much planned for such event, perhaps not EMP, since the early 80's. In retirement, it's live a simple lifestyle, use tech my family used on the ranch in the 20's before electricity reached them, and any SHTF ICE is mechanical injection diesel with manual transmission, e.g. push to start if needed, with bikes as backup for that.

I regularly train for zero dark thirty blackouts and going a month or two without outside contact or food or water. Everything is on site and water can be made on-site in an EMP scenario. Today it's raining, we get about 80" a year, and the creek runs year round and the redwoods and cedars are a constant collector and dispenser of water from the fog. The rest is handled by hand pump and purification equipment on-site beyond what is stored.

In an EMP situation, the core group of natives in the canyon would come together, some of us already do stuff together, to handle survival logistics. Salt water fishing is a fifteen minute hike. Some people have gardens, some raise livestock. The area has long been a subsistence economy away from the absentee owners who have the expensive beach homes. Don't see much change in an EMP scenario. Stuff happens, adapt and overcome.
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How would I respond for the first week.......wellll how many of us are still around....eh ? How about a cover your *** disclaimer...IF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE after 3 or 4 days etc.

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