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Old 12-11-2019, 1:38 PM
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Default Colt. D.A. 38 identification help

Trying to find out the age and model of grandfathers gun, the frame and butt numbers don't seem to match attached are some pictures hopefully i'm posting in the right forum
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This guy wrote this up and it covers quite a bit about these, so I will just paste his text here. Looks like you have a commercial New Model Navy 38, possibly nickel plated by others.


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Not an easy subject, and a lot of confusion. First, the Model year designations were used by the Army and Navy but with the exception of the "1892" and the rare "1894" grip markings on the New Army, Colt did not apply them to civilian guns, which were called simply the "New Army" or "New Navy". Generally, changes made at the request of the services were applied to civilian models at about the same time. Civilian guns were made in both .38 Long Colt and .41; military guns were made only in .38.

Both Army and Navy contract revolvers had butt markings indicating government ownership; civilian guns had only the serial number on the butt, usually in two lines. Army contract guns had plain wood stocks, marked with inspectors' initials. Navy contract guns had hard rubber grips with the word "COLT" in an oval a the top, as did the grips on civilian New Navy guns. Civilian New Army guns also had hard rubber grips, but with a prancing Colt; early guns had the date "1892" on them and some later had "1894" but the date was then dropped and not used again. In civilian sales, the grips were the only difference between the two models.

As to the difference between the Model 1894 and the Model 1896 (Army designations), there is a lot of dispute. Robert Best (A Study of Colt's New Army and New Navy Pattern Double Action Revolvers 1889 to 1908), says he is unable to find any difference and thinks the model number change might have been for contract purposes.
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Yea a lot of confusing information and I'm no expert so I thought I would post some pictures I found some other markings attached is another picture

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This guy wrote this up and it covers quite a bit about these, so I will just paste his text here. Looks like you have a commercial New Model Navy 38, possibly nickel plated by others.


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Not an easy subject, and a lot of confusion. First, the Model year designations were used by the Army and Navy but with the exception of the "1892" and the rare "1894" grip markings on the New Army, Colt did not apply them to civilian guns, which were called simply the "New Army" or "New Navy". Generally, changes made at the request of the services were applied to civilian models at about the same time. Civilian guns were made in both .38 Long Colt and .41; military guns were made only in .38.

Both Army and Navy contract revolvers had butt markings indicating government ownership; civilian guns had only the serial number on the butt, usually in two lines. Army contract guns had plain wood stocks, marked with inspectors' initials. Navy contract guns had hard rubber grips with the word "COLT" in an oval a the top, as did the grips on civilian New Navy guns. Civilian New Army guns also had hard rubber grips, but with a prancing Colt; early guns had the date "1892" on them and some later had "1894" but the date was then dropped and not used again. In civilian sales, the grips were the only difference between the two models.

As to the difference between the Model 1894 and the Model 1896 (Army designations), there is a lot of dispute. Robert Best (A Study of Colt's New Army and New Navy Pattern Double Action Revolvers 1889 to 1908), says he is unable to find any difference and thinks the model number change might have been for contract purposes.
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Yea a lot of confusing information and I'm no expert so I thought I would post some pictures I found some other markings attached is another picture

824 MAY be an assembly number for parts fit early in manufacture, to be joined later, similar to Single Action frames and loading gates, separate from the serial number.
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