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Old 07-29-2022, 1:22 PM
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Another delusional DemRat that considers himself a Constitutional Scholar based on his back ground as a USMC rifle instructor.

Amazing that his opinion seems to carry more weight [in his own mind] than SCOTUS.
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Old 07-29-2022, 1:36 PM
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He fits right in with the gun shop owners that are only too happy to put their faces on TV and talk to reporters and think they'll get free advertising.

Its the Lt.Col Vindman syndrome.
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He fits right in with the gun shop owners that are only too happy to put their faces on TV and talk to reporters and think they'll get free advertising.

Its the Lt.Col Vindman syndrome.
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That poor stupid man.
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USMC rifle instructor.

Means nothing.
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Good thing he has studied as much history and law as the USSC. Oh, nevermind.
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“Have the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia”

Yes, yes, and yes. The government has the ability to provide all those things in times that the militia is called up, it doesn’t mean that the militia, prior to being called up by the federal government cannot bear arms.
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This moron hasn't even read Heller. He's dumber than a box of rocks.
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He is 100% clueless. Left wing fruit.
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He is 100% clueless. Left wing fruit.
Unfortunately this country is now replete with de-educated fools who buy this excrement 100%
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He obviously hasn't read the Federalist Papers, or he willfully leaves out the most important part.
At the time the 2nd Amendment was written, it was never a question of whether the citizens had arms, it was a question of who controlled the militia when called upon.
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In response to his definition, I will go with this one. Some language at the end, I am not sure why the video doesn't load. Use the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx23c84obwQ

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Just another lying, communist POS (D).

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Democracy is under attack across our country. If my extremist opponent becomes Secretary of State, our elections will be in the hands of a Trump sycophant and January 6 insurrectionist.

We cannot let that happen.

I am the only candidate who can beat a far-right Republican in the general election. I will always protect democracy and I greatly appreciate your support.
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I don't recall any of the January 6 participants having been charged with insurrection. Has that changed?
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Yeesh! Another libtard who knows what's best for the rest of us.
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I don't recall any of the January 6 participants having been charged with insurrection. Has that changed?
In January, eleven Oath Keepers were finally charged with 'seditious conspiracy'.
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We used to call guys like this a S--T bird .

Swearing an oath to the constitution is an act of defiance . Conquerors only respect a government without limits .
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Another delusional DemRat that considers himself a Constitutional Scholar based on his back ground as a USMC rifle instructor.

Amazing that his opinion seems to carry more weight [in his own mind] than SCOTUS.
I'm gonna go against the grain and say he is sorta and mostly right, but doesn't know it. However he is also wrong because the 2nd was added to AMEND that other stuff in original body of Constitution about "militia".

When the 2nd was added, under duress by Delegates, it was an ongoing major problem in Western Civilization (and others I'd imagine) that Nobles and Govts would get into Proxy Wars easily without INITIALLY selling it to The People. However the victims of this Under The Radar support would be aware of which nation's people it was coming from, so you'd end up being counter-attacked in situations you'd not been informed you had gotten into. Thus one purpose of 2nd is to outlaw any Proxy Wars and if US Govt leaders want a war they must start with "our boys" going off to die, because while Proxy always sounds good it makes war too easy to start.

Another big problem was unpopular rulers hiring mercs using the treasury to stay in power and oppress the population in ways a local militia might balk at. Accepting non-citizens for military service for (to them) high pay and future citizenship and other big benefits creates a group of people in some foreign land that can't be controlled who have their own reasons for USA to get into some war and need troops. So again the 2nd outlaws any non-citizens from getting any US Govt paid for weapons or involvement in military ops, even if that again sounds like "a good idea at the time", its a bad practice.

Another thing that was common in Europe and IIRC both China and Japan were laws forcing total disarming of civilians by a new victorious somewhat foreign regime then of course oppressing them greatly. IIRC this a source of antique swords in Scotland that were "intentionally buried not for ceremony but for concealment and later retrieval and use", as well as creation of unarmed martial arts in China and Japan.
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I'm gonna go against the grain and say he is sorta and mostly right, but doesn't know it. However he is also wrong because the 2nd was added to AMEND that other stuff in original body of Constitution about "militia".
No, I have to disagree and say he is mostly wrong. His overall interpretation of the second amendment is that it allows (only) the governmnet to give guns to the militia. See minute 1:34 to 1:38 where he says "that means you get your militia arms from the government. You don't buy 'em yourself."

In what world is this "sorta and mostly right"?? He is basically describing Breyer's dissent in Heller where the 2A is a collective right only, not an individual right.

Obviously, he completely ignores the operative clause giving the People (not the militia) the right to keep and bear arms without infringement and he flat out says that people shouldn't be able to buy their own 'militia arms'. His basic claim is that the Article 1 militia clause (in the body of the Constitution) limits the People's rights under the 2A, instead of the other way around (the 2A limiting what Congress can do to infringe on individual rights, like almost every other Amendment in the Bill of Rights).

MSNBC is such trash ... worse than CNN in some ways.



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Thus one purpose of 2nd is to outlaw any Proxy Wars and if US Govt leaders want a war they must start with "our boys" going off to die, because while Proxy always sounds good it makes war too easy to start.
What? Do you have a cite for this?

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Another big problem was unpopular rulers hiring mercs using the treasury to stay in power and oppress the population in ways a local militia might balk at. Accepting non-citizens for military service for (to them) high pay and future citizenship and other big benefits creates a group of people in some foreign land that can't be controlled who have their own reasons for USA to get into some war and need troops. So again the 2nd outlaws any non-citizens from getting any US Govt paid for weapons or involvement in military ops, even if that again sounds like "a good idea at the time", its a bad practice.
What? Do you have a cite for this?

Foreign nationals serve in the military without any hinderance from the 2nd Amendment ... seriously this one doesn't make any sense at all as to what the 2A says or does.

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