Obtaining Off Roster Handgun Through A Relative

[norm556]

I’ve been looking into ways of obtaining an off roster handgun without trying to find one and potentially pay a large markup through purchasing one via PPT.

My wife’s grandfather is a resident / property owner in both Oregon and California (Oregon drivers license. Splits time about 50/50 between states)

Would it be possible for him to purchase the gun in Oregon. Transport it to CA and register it at his California address, and then PPT the firearm to me?

Or is the process not an option / illegal to do?

[Garv]

No.

The grandfather can gift it to his granddaughter.

[ASD1]

No / not Legal

[norm556]

Damn what a shame…

[norm556]

@Garv. If he gifts it to his granddaughter would she then be able to gift it to me? Asking because I’d be looking to register this firearm with a CCW and from my understanding the gun must be registered to me.

[taperxz]

Originally Posted by norm556

@Garv. If he gifts it to his granddaughter would she then be able to gift it to me? Asking because I’d be looking to register this firearm with a CCW and from my understanding the gun must be registered to me.

Welcome to the new guy who is telling CA DOJ how to circumvent and conspire to break the law on a public forum

[norm556]

Lol, just asking for advice on what is / is not legal for obtaining an off roster firearm. Sorry CA DoJ if your laws aren’t clear and poorly written.

[ASD1]

Originally Posted by norm556

@Garv. If he gifts it to his granddaughter would she then be able to gift it to me? Asking because I’d be looking to register this firearm with a CCW and from my understanding the gun must be registered to me.

by him living in both states he can not bring any firearms into the state CA that he bought out side of CA. As CA still will treat him as a CA resident

[BajaJames83]

If he gifted it to your wife you shouldn't need to do anything else if you both can legally own firearms

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by norm556

I’ve been looking into ways of obtaining an off roster handgun without trying to find one and potentially pay a large markup through purchasing one via PPT.

My wife’s grandfather is a resident / property owner in both Oregon and California (Oregon drivers license. Splits time about 50/50 between states)

Would it be possible for him to purchase the gun in Oregon. Transport it to CA and register it at his California address, and then PPT the firearm to me?

Or is the process not an option / illegal to do?

Not legally.

Since your grandfather-in-law is a resident of CA and OR, any firearm he acquires in OR can not be brought into CA without the use of a CA FFL dealer.
If he wants to bring a firearm he acquired in OR to CA, he must ship the CA legal firearm to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS/10 day wait/1in30 day wait) it to him. [PC 27585(a)]
The firearm must be CA legal and if it is a handgun, then it must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it.
Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer to import the firearms into CA equates to a misdemeanor per long gun [PC 27590(a)] and a felony per handgun [PC 27590(c)(7)]

Originally Posted by norm556

If he gifts it to his granddaughter would she then be able to gift it to me? Asking because I’d be looking to register this firearm with a CCW and from my understanding the gun must be registered to me.

Since the intent is for you to acquire the firearm, it can not be legally done.

Under Federal laws...
In order for it to be a legitimate gift, your grandfather-in-law must utilize his own money to acquire the firearm and deliver it to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) to your wife (his granddaughter). Legally, your grandfather-in-law can not be compensated for the gift and must utilize his own funds for this gift.

However, since the intent is for you to end up with the firearm, this "gift" will be considered an illegal firearm transfer (felony straw purchase) which is being conducted by your grandfather-in-law and your wife (his granddaughter). [18 USC 922(a)(6)]

Under CA laws...
Since the intent is for you to end up with the firearm, this is an illegal structured transfer from your grandfather-in-law to your wife (his granddaughter) to you (his grandson-in-law). [PC 27515 and 27520]

[SkyHawk]

I've said it before but it can always be said again: The markup you will pay to legally acquire the gun you want from someone in a PPT, is a lot cheaper than bail money and lawyers for your wife and her dad. It isn't even close.

Owning guns is not cheap. Life is short. So go find what you want from someone selling it legally. Or wait for the roster to be struck down.

[Librarian]

Not an FFL question but CA Law question. Moved.

[Jeepergeo]

Originally Posted by norm556

I’ve been looking into ways of obtaining an off roster handgun without trying to find one and potentially pay a large markup through purchasing one via PPT.

My wife’s grandfather is a resident / property owner in both Oregon and California (Oregon drivers license. Splits time about 50/50 between states)

Would it be possible for him to purchase the gun in Oregon. Transport it to CA and register it at his California address, and then PPT the firearm to me?

Or is the process not an option / illegal to do?

Bonta looking for a campaign case?

Come on folks, don't feed the fish.

[ptjsk]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

I've said it before but it can always be said again: The markup you will pay to legally acquire the gun you want from someone in a PPT, is a lot cheaper than bail money and lawyers for your wife and her dad. It isn't even close.

Owning guns is not cheap. Life is short. So go find what you want from someone selling it legally. Or wait for the roster to be struck down.

Best advise ever!

[johncage]

is it possible for someone to adopt a million kids?