Previous DROS delay question.

[17bb]

I drosed last month on a handgun. It was my first purchase and had a little bit of a prior history that was cleared up.

The dros was delayed on day 6 and figured it was going to go to undetermined, but on day 29 I was approved and received the firearm.

A couple days later after the 30 day mark I drosed an AR. Had some fun with one shop that refused to DROs because he believed the 30 days started at the time of receiving the gun not at the time of application so I went to sportsman?s for fishing supplies and saw the same gun for $300 cheaper.

I know they do not release on undetermined but since my last DROS was approved I figured i would give it a shot as they don?t have any restocking fee.

Now here is my question? since the last DROS was approved after delay does that give a higher chance of the next application going approved on a 10 day wait? Or am I perpetually going to have to get a delay and pray it doesn?t hit the 30 day mark?

Does the BOF have a previous history screen where they see past dros applications?

Thanks guys!

[Preston-CLB]

The DOJ works in mysterious ways. Short answer: It could go either way.
-P

[17bb]

Originally Posted by Preston-CLB

The DOJ works in mysterious ways. Short answer: It could go either way.
-P

If only Californians wouldn?t be idiots and vote in lawmakers that force transparency with the DOJ.

Feels like throwing a coin into a void and hoping a hotdog pops out the other side

[Preston-CLB]

Honestly, if we voted in a governor, an attorney general and lawmakers who actually believed in our constitutional rights, a crap-load of these ridiculous gun laws would be gone.

I hope your purchase goes well.
-P

[BigPimping]

The absolute laughable fact is that the background check is almost instantaneous, like it is all across the country. The 10 days is just a cooling off period.

One local shop told me a normal Drose could last for a 30 day background check. They told me they would call me when he was ready to be picked up. That was the craziest thing I?ve ever heard in 35 years of buying firearms.

[mdr110]

If you were eventfully approved last time, this one shouldn't be any issues. I'm not DOJ though.

[17bb]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

The absolute laughable fact is that the background check is almost instantaneous, like it is all across the country. The 10 days is just a cooling off period.

One local shop told me a normal Drose could last for a 30 day background check. They told me they would call me when he was ready to be picked up. That was the craziest thing I?ve ever heard in 35 years of buying firearms.

California does their own checks.

Each and every one has to be hand verified through their own background check process.

California has two systems they check, one is their own and the other is NICS. Only the NICS half is instant.

If it were automatic people without criminal records wouldn?t be delayed.

If California only used the NICS system it would be automatic.

[17bb]

Originally Posted by mdr110

If you were eventfully approved last time, this one shouldn't be any issues. I'm not DOJ though.

Yeah that?s why I took the risk of buying it at a place that doesn?t release on undetermined.

No way in hell I would waste $40 if my last one went over 30

[ar15robert]

It’s not a ca thing been happening a lot in az I got my first delay last month. Although it was only an hr deal but guy told me 8 out of 10 at time were being delayed. Was at another shop 2 weeks ago saw 2 delays happen there too.

[SkyHawk]

The 30 days starts at application. It literally says it in the penal code.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=27535.

27535.
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase both a handgun and semiautomatic centerfire rifle within the same 30-day period.

[17bb]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

The 30 days starts at application. It literally says it in the penal code.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=27535.

Yup! Showed him the bulletin to FFLs how they should treat a 30 day delay. Showed him it starts at DROS acceptance, showed him the law as it?s written, and he still says that it starts at receipt of the firearm not when it’s accepted by the doj and refused to DROS.

You?d think FFLs would know the laws that are literally their job to follow.

[Deelayed]

It's a crap shoot . As in you aren't shooting crap for 30 days. Maybe . Well at least with that item..

[jsclimbs]

I was delayed on a PPT about one year ago.
Released after 29 days.
Since then, I purchased several long guns and pistols without delay?


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[flyer898]

Please let us know the identity of the FFL that does not understand the law and refuses to be educated.
As stated by others, it is the FFL's respnsibility to know, understand, and follow the laws governing the conduct of their business, silly as they be.

[17bb]

Originally Posted by flyer898

Please let us know the identity of the FFL that does not understand the law and refuses to be educated.
As stated by others, it is the FFL's respnsibility to know, understand, and follow the laws governing the conduct of their business, silly as they be.

It was last stand in Sacramento. Don’t know the guys name never bothered to ask.

Some of them seem more educated when I go in there but they weren’t working that day.

[17bb]

Released on a 10 day wait ��

[Deelayed]

Delayed today day 5. It's really weird to me that they can delay me even before the 10 days is up so that tells me it's just an automatic delay it's just a computer picking certain names out you know randomly and just delaying people because I mean they have 10 days but they're going to delay me on day five before the 10 days is up even even though I was approved the last purchase and delayed the prior two from that . It's just automatic I think I think it's just a I think they just that they have the computer program picks out a certain percentage of people that apply and just randomly pick snap out names or maybe it goes by a number on the DRS all odd numbers get delayed or all even 33a3q2qq1 numbers get delayed or something like that

[17bb]

Originally Posted by Deelayed

Delayed today day 5. It's really weird to me that they can delay me even before the 10 days is up so that tells me it's just an automatic delay it's just a computer picking certain names out you know randomly and just delaying people because I mean they have 10 days but they're going to delay me on day five before the 10 days is up even even though I was approved the last purchase and delayed the prior two from that . It's just automatic I think I think it's just a I think they just that they have the computer program picks out a certain percentage of people that apply and just randomly pick snap out names or maybe it goes by a number on the DRS all odd numbers get delayed or all even 33a3q2qq1 numbers get delayed or something like that

Do you have any court matters in your life? Ever? Even if you were not convicted or anything? Even an arrest could cause a delay if the police didn?t update the final disposition.

I was delayed when my fbi rap sheet wasn?t updated. Once it was I was getting approved.

Seems like you?re getting flagged for some reason. Maybe do an FBI check just to make sure there?s absolutely nothing on there?

[Deelayed]

Originally Posted by 17bb

Do you have any court matters in your life? Ever? Even if you were not convicted or anything? Even an arrest could cause a delay if the police didn?t update the final disposition.

I was delayed when my fbi rap sheet wasn?t updated. Once it was I was getting approved.

Seems like you?re getting flagged for some reason. Maybe do an FBI check just to make sure there?s absolutely nothing on there?

No just to speeding ticket a couple years ago then I went to driving school for and then I had a DUI about 25 years ago but I was in Arizona and I did all my things with that the thing is if I was in prohibited status I mean it would have denied me the past three times but it didn't it undetermined twice and it and approved once and now a delay again but you know I mean who knows I mean it could I could be approved on day 10 or 11 hopefully it doesn't go all the way to 30 again . I went to 35 days one time. What was on your rap sheet if you don't mind me asking and where do you get the FBI rap sheet and how much does that cost

[17bb]

Originally Posted by Deelayed

No just to speeding ticket a couple years ago then I went to driving school for and then I had a DUI about 25 years ago but I was in Arizona and I did all my things with that the thing is if I was in prohibited status I mean it would have denied me the past three times but it didn't it undetermined twice and it and approved once and now a delay again but you know I mean who knows I mean it could I could be approved on day 10 or 11 hopefully it doesn't go all the way to 30 again . I went to 35 days one time. What was on your rap sheet if you don't mind me asking and where do you get the FBI rap sheet and how much does that cost

Mine was just an old felony that was reduced, nothing serious just some bull**** with an ex when I was younger.

I would definitely check to see if your fbi rap sheet is right. It costs something like $55 but then you?d at least know where you are when they check NICS.

I would give a pretty good chance that your arrest was not updated with the FBI and they could have no final disposition and that?s why you?re getting delays.

If you have the money and peace of mind pay the $55. I went through applicant services.

https://www.applicantservices.com/fb...-Order-556-73/

You just go to any live scan location and give them the little code the website gives you. You might have to print it out but mine didn?t make me.

You?ll get the results in literally like 5-10 minutes to your email. Just make sure you screenshot it because they delete the rap sheet in about 12-24 hours.

[Deelayed]

Originally Posted by 17bb

Mine was just an old felony that was reduced, nothing serious just some bull**** with an ex when I was younger.

I would definitely check to see if your fbi rap sheet is right. It costs something like $55 but then you?d at least know where you are when they check NICS.

I would give a pretty good chance that your arrest was not updated with the FBI and they could have no final disposition and that?s why you?re getting delays.

If you have the money and peace of mind pay the $55. I went through applicant services.

https://www.applicantservices.com/fb...-Order-556-73/

You just go to any live scan location and give them the little code the website gives you. You might have to print it out but mine didn?t make me.

You?ll get the results in literally like 5-10 minutes to your email. Just make sure you screenshot it because they delete the rap sheet in about 12-24 hours.

But I was already approved once . And there is statue of limitations isn't there.. the check is supposed to see if you are a prohibited person . And they ask you all the prohibited person questions on the form so they check to see if you lied about those questions. Which is computer initiated.
Nowhere does it say that if you have a unresolved traffic violation you are prohibited nowhere does it say that anything other than mental health issues felony conviction restraining order illegal alien are you barred from purchasing a firearm. I'm just going to wait it out and maybe they will get their desired outcome because I won't be purchasing another one for quite a while maybe that's what it was it that's what it is intended by this crap

[17bb]

Originally Posted by Deelayed

But I was already approved once . And there is statue of limitations isn't there.. the check is supposed to see if you are a prohibited person . And they ask you all the prohibited person questions on the form so they check to see if you lied about those questions. Which is computer initiated.
Nowhere does it say that if you have a unresolved traffic violation you are prohibited nowhere does it say that anything other than mental health issues felony conviction restraining order illegal alien are you barred from purchasing a firearm. I'm just going to wait it out and maybe they will get their desired outcome because I won't be purchasing another one for quite a while maybe that's what it was it that's what it is intended by this crap

You forget that California does their own NICS checks. If something shows up on NICS that doesn?t have a final disposition they have to manually call whoever created that information and ask about the final disposition. Since it was out of state it makes it a much longer process.

It?s ****ty but most delays outside of Covid are from missing dispositions even if the offense wasn?t disqualifying.

Since a DUI under Arizona law CAN be a felony and if there is no updates to your federal sheet after arrest, they don?t know if it was a felony or not so they call Arizona and ask.

California doesn’t even update your FBI rap sheet unless you ask them to, which is insanely BS and could get someone falsely arrested.

[Deelayed]

Originally Posted by 17bb

You forget that California does their own NICS checks. If something shows up on NICS that doesn?t have a final disposition they have to manually call whoever created that information and ask about the final disposition. Since it was out of state it makes it a much longer process.

It?s ****ty but most delays outside of Covid are from missing dispositions even if the offense wasn?t disqualifying.

Since a DUI under Arizona law CAN be a felony and if there is no updates to your federal sheet after arrest, they don?t know if it was a felony or not so they call Arizona and ask.

California doesn?t even update your FBI rap sheet unless you ask them to, which is insanely BS and could get someone falsely arrested.

Meanwhile, the common criminal just finds his guy ,pays the money ,and no waiting,no background check, no record of sale just footloose and fancy free ,roaming to and fro just a criminal with his firearm. Is it just me or does this seem a little backwards.
Good guy or bad guy has to defend himself both go to jail or
Bad guy runs tosses the firearm gets away
good guy defends himself sticks around firearm is in his name plus he feels he did nothing wrong . Goes to jail.
Bad guy tosses firearm no big deal just buy another one .
Good guy won't toss his investment of TIME and money and hassle . Goes to jail .
So the bad guy is the free citizen (until he gets caught but even then he most likely be let go )
And the good guy is bound and oppressed by laws rules limits .

[Deelayed]

Originally Posted by 17bb

If only Californians wouldn?t be idiots and vote in lawmakers that force transparency with the DOJ.

Feels like throwing a coin into a void and hoping a hotdog pops out the other side

Might as well shoot for two hot dogs .

[Deelayed]

Got my delay letter on day 10 . So delayed on 6 letter on 10 . Weird the first two delays I had the letter didn't dhow up until around day 20 I think

[17bb]

Originally Posted by Deelayed

Got my delay letter on day 10 . So delayed on 6 letter on 10 . Weird the first two delays I had the letter didn't dhow up until around day 20 I think

Probably just due to there not being as much of backlog as before.

I live in Sacramento so doj letters get to me pretty quick. My delay was on 6 and got the letter day 9 or 10

[Deelayed]

Originally Posted by 17bb

Probably just due to there not being as much of backlog as before.

I live in Sacramento so doj letters get to me pretty quick. My delay was on 6 and got the letter day 9 or 10

You would think that you know the the more delays the faster they get as far as time is perceived but it just seems like it gets slower with this it's taking forever